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I have made some tough decisions lately, mostly involving who I really trust in my life. Some might consider them highly irresponsible, but I know who to break this to first in the medical community and it is not a stranger, as specialized as they could be. It is someone who cares, and who I know I can't lie to at this point in time specifically. The behaviour has been so erratic I can tell I have gotten on her nerves to the point she is pretty much going to drag this fucking brat in to an appointment asap to figure out what the fuck is going on like she doesn't already know in advance. It won't be today because I got up at 2am, and I am still recovering from the extreme stress of that withdrawal. It will be soon, though. It has to be. This is no laughing matter. It may have taken 15 years but I met my match in the world of drugs.

CBD weed but with some THC too is amazing for all of this and pain.
 
Great attitude, I am glad you are dealing with this Shroomy.

Be honest but don't be ashamed, you are human. Much love to you and saying some prayers too.

Keep me updated please, I care.

Hugs,
your friend,
Ash.

I have made some tough decisions lately, mostly involving who I really trust in my life. Some might consider them highly irresponsible, but I know who to break this to first in the medical community and it is not a stranger, as specialized as they could be. It is someone who cares, and who I know I can't lie to at this point in time specifically. The behaviour has been so erratic I can tell I have gotten on her nerves to the point she is pretty much going to drag this fucking brat in to an appointment asap to figure out what the fuck is going on like she doesn't already know in advance. It won't be today because I got up at 2am, and I am still recovering from the extreme stress of that withdrawal. It will be soon, though. It has to be. This is no laughing matter. It may have taken 15 years but I met my match in the world of drugs.

CBD weed but with some THC too is amazing for all of this and pain.
 
Great attitude, I am glad you are dealing with this Shroomy.

Be honest but don't be ashamed, you are human. Much love to you and saying some prayers too.

Keep me updated please, I care.

Hugs,
your friend,
Ash.

I agree with Ash.

Hoping you are well ShroomySatori.
I'm worried about you and praying for you also.

Please let us know how we can help.
You are loved.
❤️
 
I've been keeping my cool and pushed my GP appointment forward, which is essentially judgement day. I can try to lie, but I won't get anywhere I've lied too much to her about benzos already and way too much recently. I have had to. I was not ready to bring this up yet and it wasn't her fault she didn't prescribe them initially and wanted me off. The only way I can get out of it is by not going and that will only dig me into a deeper hole. I don't need everyone in my life worried about me at the moment it is stressing me the fuck out. There is only so much I can do and I don't need generic advice from random people chiming in who I haven't even really heard of before like pm's it is just weird. Like, I'm not a child who needs guidance every step of the way here and what people say can mess with my critical thinking. I am a scientist who has been addicted for 6 years; I understand the drugs as much as I am ever going to in that sense. These decisions are up to me and I could use a little support. At this point advice is unnecessary and makes me nervous because it isn't what I have decided on. I am just checking in. Today, has been a bad day. I didn't get anything at all done except reschedule that appointment at the last minute and got lucky.
 
I'm just getting random pm's from people I don't know about psych wards today and how they are, I've been called an "etizotard", like what?? I am intelligent man making responsible life choices, this has been going on for 6 years it is not like I am uninformed. I have more research to do, sure, but most of you live in other countries, even. And need either advice, opinions, mutual support, friendship, and at this point I am out of withdrawal and don't need smart people to think for me like before. Big decision come in a few days, I have peace and quiet today. At least so far.
I went to my two best friends right away when I realized the magnitude of this. Both are millionaires and very smart and are helping me. I will not be left homeless. I am making sure of that and packing an emergency bag. This has been a terrible day I don't understand. Hopefully my mood improves, really trying to destress. At night I should do some yin yoga. I should also get stoned, it's the only time I really make sense. Anyways I seem to be taking everything as a threat. Thank you for your messages and I hope you understand that I am hypersensitive and bedridden today. I keep sleeping through my taper doses which means I have to drop them. It messes everything up if I don't dose on schedule.
 
Hey,
You called yourself an "etziotard". You were laughing saying there was a new term for people like you.
You are not remembering what you are doing AT ALL.

I'm your friend and I hope you get some serious medical treatment. You need it immediately. You needed help long ago.
You keep telling me you have rescheduled your appointment and it is for today- for weeks now.
Yet, you just keep telling me the same thing every day. "Today you need to relax and tomorrow you have an appointment".

You need help, all of us are trying to help you. You are in life threatening circumstances and refuse to acknowledge this.
You are making no sense whatsoever.
 
Thanks. It does make sense in fact. I had to decide between which person to break this to first, which is why I was unsure about urgent appointments as well. It is hard for them to just fit me in all of a sudden. It is hard for me to know what to say all of a sudden or even legally what could happen, I do believe they could hold me. I don't know if your health care costs money because I think America is fucked and don't know much about it, but here it doesn't, and the treatment is not what I would call treatment. I had to take that into account as well: who will actually listen to what I'm saying without cutting me off and immediately saying rehab because that is not what you do for a case of benzo dependency this high. I need to keep myself alive while I find someone to work with me long term and who better to start with than my doctor of 15 years.

I am thinking very clearly thank you. Yes, I remember that. It was when etizolam wasn't such a fucked up thing. It isn't really a joking matter anymore when it is only a matter of time before it kills me. I view it as a terminal illness. I was still detoxing off opiates and was still in denial back then or I wouldn't have said that. That is not what I am and you know that.

Makes perfect sense to me. I've had to recover from severe malnourishment over two weeks and insomnia all week as well and I still don't feel right. Not that I owe you an explanation with the fucking shit I'm going through right now. But I do. You are very kind to me.

You okay like seriously with the family stuff and all? I am just editing to ask because like wtf is wrong today with you? I haven't even done a thing all day except get that appointment booked for tomorrow which I have to go to. It is clear to me that this is delusional, even to me. I think you have been under a ton of stress and need a hot bath, your fragrances and stuff that will help you relax. Create a nice ambience. If you have candles you can use those as well it will help you calm down. I am almost certain that you are cracking because of your family stress. I am almost certain of it and you know me I'm not stupid. You don't have to get so pissy over a word I'm already over it. It's usually used in a very derogatory way, I realized too.

Since, why are you being argumentative for no reason. I've been smoking pot all day and waiting for my appointment today and I've been in benzo withdrawal as well as usual because I am still quitting despite having a supply. I really need to prepare for my appointment tomorrow, I thought I had a week but I don't.

I was going to bring in all sorts of research and even a friend fly across the country to help explain. I am on my own with no notice now.

I don't make sense because you don't agree with me. Sorry. I have a different opinion.
 
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Jesus Christ.... update:

I can't sleep anymore. I'm dead tired all day but when night rolls around I'll drink my hurting mind away until around 2am. Then it's nightmares and waking up shortly after around 3 or 4, then up til 5 or so, then up again for the day at 7.

I've found myself pouring a glass of liquor at 5am and getting ready to drink it before realizing "I've gotta be up in under 3 hours wtf am I doing" and pouring it back in the bottle.

I've found my problem. I've got an old, tortured soul and I can't escape from it. It's like a demon haunting me. I need to be high and/or drunk all the time or my anxiety and sorrow tears me apart.

I think I'm gonna try and go back on Valium because I can't keep living this way. Mental illness is torture.
 
Dude if it's that bad the liquor is probably worse for you right now. The valium does not harm the body as much and they are both just as bad drugs rly.

It is torture, this mental illness like you say. I have been tortured. Brutally. I do not think that I am going to live. The chances of me finding a long term taper - the only real solution - in time are slim to none.

I've come to terms with myself long ago with all of this, but not with death. It is not my time, but I'm fucked.
 
Dude if it's that bad the liquor is probably worse for you right now. The valium does not harm the body as much and they are both just as bad drugs rly.

It is torture, this mental illness like you say. I have been tortured. Brutally. I do not think that I am going to live. The chances of me finding a long term taper - the only real solution - in time are slim to none.

I've come to terms with myself long ago with all of this, but not with death. It is not my time, but I'm fucked.
I honestly wouldn't care if I died tomorrow. I'm probably gonna die slowly of liver cirrhosis or lung cancer anyway at the rate I'm going smoking tobacco and drinking liquor.

I know the liquor is no good for me but I'm at the point where I'm staving off symptoms of GAD and bipolar disorder by numbing myself as best as I can. I don't know if any of you have bipolar disorder but I'll drown in a bottle before I feel all the pain that causes me. It's fucking hell.
 
Liver disease up to a point is reversible, not when the scars form mate. Ok you drink. I hope you investigate the methods that are mainly diet related that will help your liver cope with the alcohol breakdown and continue functioning healthily.


As for smoking, screw it. I smoke. I accept my fate, I relate to your post mate.
 
I love you guys and I'm so sorry you are enduring so much!

I wish I knew how to help. I'm sorry if I have said the wrong things.
I just want to see you both well and happy.

That is all that matters.
❤️
 
I love you guys and I'm so sorry you are enduring so much!

I wish I knew how to help. I'm sorry if I have said the wrong things.
I just want to see you both well and happy.

That is all that matters.
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You've said nothing wrong! We're all going through it here. It's how I cope. I just fucking love to drink. I love everything about it. I love the escape from myself.

I've tried to get help but nobody wants to do it and the ones who do don't take it seriously enough to really do their job and make a difference.

I'm just defeated. I give up. Just gotta keep looking forward and take it one day at a time. It's a constant battle but it's my battle so I may as well embrace it.
 
Liver disease up to a point is reversible, not when the scars form mate. Ok you drink. I hope you investigate the methods that are mainly diet related that will help your liver cope with the alcohol breakdown and continue functioning healthily.


As for smoking, screw it. I smoke. I accept my fate, I relate to your post mate.
Well I don't mix drinks with pop or whatever. I rarely drink beer anymore. I just drink liquor on the rocks or neat and keep drinking lots of water in between. Other than that my diet is the same as it always has been. I know the risks tho. It's poison but it's how I cope. We all got our vices.

And smoking. I've been trying to quit for years but it's no use. I love it too much. I'll quit someday but not this day, tomorrow, or likely this year. It's twice as good when you're drinking too. Nothing goes with a whiskey like a cigarette or cigar.
 
I honestly wouldn't care if I died tomorrow. I'm probably gonna die slowly of liver cirrhosis or lung cancer anyway at the rate I'm going smoking tobacco and drinking liquor.

I know the liquor is no good for me but I'm at the point where I'm staving off symptoms of GAD and bipolar disorder by numbing myself as best as I can. I don't know if any of you have bipolar disorder but I'll drown in a bottle before I feel all the pain that causes me. It's fucking hell.

Bro I often feel the same way. What is the point, and yeah I don't think 30 bong tokes a day is that healthy either. My liver could also very well be fucked. If it gets too bad well I had to go in sounds like you did already. Fuck what is up with this shit eh, like why can we not feel normal. I remember having a sleep schedule, noticing if I skipped breakfast and lunch. I had a massive alcohol problem before I got on benzos and ever since my first benzo I put down the bottle for good. Been drunk like 5 times in 5 years, never again.

I am on a real taper now. I came clean about everything. The taper I am on is pretty brutal to start, but it's still long term and according to the Ashton manual. Just, the starting dose is too low (it's still way, way higher than I would ever expect to get walking in there... I thought the psychs were about to kick the door down waiting there... seriously)

I waited for the one person in the entire medical profession who I trust. I chose trust and mutual caring over specialized professionalism which would have treated me like junkie scum. I had to fuck off every other avenue and take a risk to make this happen. I knew who was willing to listen, and everything has been chill. I get a lot of klonopin but it's still not enough for me to just quit the short acting ones. This is something I can and will be bringing up in the future. I don't even know how this happened, but it is no longer something to be ignored. I am under very close watch, every few days. No drug testing though. That's how good I have it, doctors are very hard to come by who know what they are doing. I am done with all other drugs anyway though. MMJ is fine, but the kpins eventually have to go and I should show initiative and well be doing this anyway by getting into therapy too.

Prob be chilling out a lot more now was about to lose my mind. I still have to switch to long acting ones and like my doctor knows this is going to take a really, really long time.

Overall it is a good plan. It took a hell of a lot to figure out. I had a lot of really, really smart people thinking for me because those two weeks of withdrawal left me in a weakened state. I could not think for myself. It is a small victory, to have a reasonable dose of a long acting benzo after being addicted for so long. My doctor was so nice though. Firm as well. I can't fuck around with this taper but it isn't 24mg xanax to 8 for fucks sake.

That dose would knock most of you out for 24 hours or longer and it is still at most half of what I actually need so I know that this is not a solution. The important thing is I am now connected with the medical community and someone I have been 100% honest with. That way if anything happens, they are not going to leave me hanging like someone who never tried and was, well, basically a lying junkie for years and have been forgiven of this. But this is seriously the last straw. I gotta get my shit together like come on man what am I doing with my life? This was all meant to be I trust I am exactly where I should be in life right now, as is the case at every moment, but come on where's the fun at? Over the horizon I guess.
 
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I'm so proud of you!!
This relieves me so, so much!!

I think you are going to be surprised at how well the clonazepam works. It is a very strong medication.
Give it a chance before you decide it is not enough. I think you may be very pleasantly surprised and the dosage your wonderful lady doctor gave you (God bless her) is a reasonable dosage for your very real anxiety/panic issues. It may just end up being the perfect therapeutic dosage for you and make you feel so much better!

Then you would not have to endure a taper down from that. Give it a try Shroom!

I have a feeling this is going to be just right for you and you already sound so much better.
TODAY is a NEW DAY!! You are on your way to full recovery and being stable and comfortable!

So proud of you! That took a lot of courage!
❤️
 
D.J we got to get you feeling better now!

I'm praying for you and ShroomySatori can tell you, prayer is a powerful thing!

Hang in there brother! You are loved very much!
 
Shroomy,

I am so happy to hear that the dr you trusted has taken care of and will be monitoring you. Such amazing news!!! I am so happy to read this.

I hope you will feel more at peace now. Much love.

your friend,
Ash.
 
No, don't give up Jay, I'm sad that you're struggling and I will pray that things turn around.

Feel free to pm me anytime.

Love and support,
your friend,
Ash.

You've said nothing wrong! We're all going through it here. It's how I cope. I just fucking love to drink. I love everything about it. I love the escape from myself.

I've tried to get help but nobody wants to do it and the ones who do don't take it seriously enough to really do their job and make a difference.

I'm just defeated. I give up. Just gotta keep looking forward and take it one day at a time. It's a constant battle but it's my battle so I may as well embrace it.
 
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