Positive The Tapering Supportive/Social Thread

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Weed just saved my ass too! I got a bong, after only smoking joints for many moons. I am getting SO lit, lol. I've been up since 4am and chain smoking bong for like 3 hours, lol. Last night I was so stoned and took 40 or 50mg of 2c-d I decent dose and I had a highly analytical trip. Reflected a lot on attachment and aversion... I feel that they are critical to dissolve in making the most out of life. I felt radiation flying out of my body. I have a crush on someone new as well she is super chill. Things are getting more complicated but less complicated too, haha.

I should be getting some kush and shatter too so upgrading from outdoor to that should be unreal. 2c-d is such a good psychedelic. 2c-c and 2c-d have really helped me detox as they have stimulant / antidepressant properties from activating odd connections in the mind that can be thoroughly analyzed. They are literally eye opening.

Maybe your weed is laced with fentanyl watch out, lol. I don't think that has ever happened. Nobody cuts weed haha.

I would stay at 90mg for two weeks you are stressing about it. Then go to 75 for 2 weeks and then 60 for a couple weeks... really, if you have self control to do that and the supply there is no reason not to take it slow you won't feel as bad. It is the 5th day I still have restless legs and nasty muscle aches I think I will dose 2c-d again today on top of the weed I've been smoking for a few hours. Nice more ahaha. This other girl is a very different tyoe of creature and super chilled out, has triple piercings like me and holding up the long line was silly she's like I just got these 4 (piercings done) an hour ago could have talked to her for hours. Maybe I will see her again I like that shop.

Hey Shroomy, I would be interested to hear how shatter and kush help relieve your pain and any other pharmaceutical effects you experience. It seemed to work well in beginning, but like anything else it seems like diminishing effects now and it has been harsh on my lungs to smoke the needed amount for sufficient relief.

- SweetLeaf7
 
I do feel like I am more cerebral now off opiates. Opiate withdrawal does not discriminate - whether addicted or just physically dependent and/or abusing, you will experience same opiate withdrawals. It also doesn't matter if you are taking only moderate doses (40 to 90 MME/day) - it's all relative. You will also experience opiate withdrawal severity relative to the amount you decrease. In the beginning of a taper, 5 mg may be 5%. During the last week of the taper, 5mg may be a 50% drop - and you will feel that more because 5 mg is a larger proportion of the overall dose. I have experienced opiate w/d from CT and taper and much preferred the tapering method.
 
I wonder if the MM is perhaps Contributing to your Anxiety?

You may be right, Runningfox. They have strains for anxiety, but until the dispensaries are operationalized later this year you can only get it on black market so no guarantee on what you're getting. I had to cut back on the MM anyways because it was getting too harsh on my lungs. The Lyrica has taken most of the anxiety away at 250 mg/day. I hope you are having a positive new year. :)

- SweetLeaf7
 
I had a breakthrough, high dose experience with DMT today. The whole day was a rush, I passed out after work until like 2pm and the planned seance with friends was at 4.

Then I got out to the mall, and then to a yoga class.

My DMT experience was the coolest drug experience with psychedelics I have ever had, it was lovely. I can't enjoy life though being this depressed.

I'm waiting around for one of these relapses to kill me. I have a script coming out in a week, and already know I'm going to relapse on it. I'm not using because I don't have any drugs. I want one of these relapses to kill me ever since my last one very nearly did.

Hey Shroomy, I just had an idea. What about a safe on a timer if you must fill your script?

- SweetLeaf7
 
Hey Shroomy, I just had an idea. What about a safe on a timer if you must fill your script?

- SweetLeaf7

That is an excellent idea! Maybe even have a family member (your brother would help you with this) go with you to pick up your prescription and only give you one a day or whatever you are prescribed.
That would soften this harsh landing a bit shroomy and allow you to stabilize more comfortably.

We can't have you just waiting to overdose brother. That is no good. This is all going to pass and you can even gain the ability back to give yourself medication one day. I think that is possible.

You have lots of women waiting for your attention, you are super smart with an education. The future is bright. Just gotta get through these hard times. Good times ahead!

Good to hear from you Sweetleaf7 ! You have done an amazing job! Well done! Well done! Much love!
 
I love all the peer support in this thread. The whole big old world is falling apart at the seams but the Bluelight population has heart and could show the world a thing or two about compassion.<3 Big hugs to everyone in this thread (and a really big one to Poke for starting it:)).
 
You may be right, Runningfox. They have strains for anxiety, but until the dispensaries are operationalized later this year you can only get it on black market so no guarantee on what you're getting. I had to cut back on the MM anyways because it was getting too harsh on my lungs. The Lyrica has taken most of the anxiety away at 250 mg/day. I hope you are having a positive new year. :)

- SweetLeaf7


Thank you Sweet....
Nothing much been happening
My husband has the flu. I had to jump outta bed with digestive woes several times in the night but have no other symptoms n the belly has calmed down. (What the Hell was THAT about?)

I'm delighted to report two things :
1) a week from now my brother has an appt w Internal Medicine at University of Iowa . He's been sick for months.

2) then the rest of the weekend it's our Christmas w my kids!! Finally. I'm really excited about THAT!

I've been watching a lot of Netflix n just relaxing at home-- other than making soup n gathering ibuprofen and Sudafed for my flu-y spouse, I haven't had much going on.

Happy new year to you, sweetleaf!
And to all in our BL community!
 
Nothin can keep me away from those oxy's... maybe a cute lady who has my attention, and mine hers.

I am doing well. Well... I measured out too much etizolam to begin with, and didn't forget to take my valium, and that flexural on it's own knocks me the fuck out like an elephant. But I woke up after sleeping forgetting all this and had a few drinks. I'm just chilling out before my 8 hour night shift, but I'm pretty fucked up. Opiates last thing on my mind really I'd be too afraid to take one right now, combining with shit. Anyways, the pain relief is nice but there are so many dangers after your tolerance starts getting all over the place exponentially so and you don't even know if 5mg oxycodone will get you high, or 100. That is when OD's start to happen so I better shape up for the new year and stop relapsing as although a relapse might be one little day that I get away with nodding off, it could also be one little day that drops me dead before I even have a moment to relapse and very quickly work up my tolerance to where it was whenever I left off.

I am doing better though pretty sure I wanted to die a few days ago or some shit. Can't really remember withdrawal all too well... I'm so damn forgetful in general, that's part of the problem here lol. If I could only keep that fucking sickness in mind when I need to...
 
That’s a bad spot Shroomi. Enough pills to commit suicide and not nearly enough willpower to use them responsibly. Sounds like my life , every new month. Hang tough brother.

I got the phone call. My next surgery is scheduled for three weeks from now. I HAVE to be clean before then. It’s a huge surgery- drilling from the front, back and side. Taking out six screws in my spine and putting in 8 new ones. As much as this sucks now, it will be much worse if the pain killers they give me after surgery don’t work.

I know Loperamide would lessen my wd’s, but I cannot afford to have a lope habit in place of my oxy needs during surgery so I tried straight cold turkey today. I made it almost 12 hours before I contemplated suicide. SO I’m jumping off the cold turkey train to hell. I’m going to try instead a strict and aggressive tapering plan. I plan to be too sick to go to work , but not so bad that I feel I might actually die. I have Ativan(Lorazepam) for sleep. And I have enough Oxy to make it with a little to spare.

Yesterday was 105 mg oxy. I expect to make 75 max today(maybe even stick to 60). Since I don’t have to go to work this time I can afford to suffer as much as I can take. If I had more time I would transition to Loperamide and then spend a couple of months tapering off that. I just bought 2000 pills on EBay. That’s for six months or a year from now when I have to quit the pills again. The DEA is gonna shut the door on that crap soon.

I’ll post my daily doses till I’m done. This time I’m driven by fear. Too many stories on blue light about good people with high tolerances getting no love from hospital staff after car accidents or surgeries. I can’t fathom the days of pain I’ll have if the pain management after my surgery refuses to account and adjust for my tolerance. Or worse, being in full withdrawl after waking up from anasthesia.
 
Also , Shroomi. This is my trick. Only take pills on an empty stomach and chew them well. Accidental OD’s occur because there’s still undigested pills in your stomach while the amount in your blood is passing the point of an overdose. You haven’t felt the third pill so you take 3 more. You barely feel the 4th pill so you take 3 more. (The 7th pill made you nod off, and the 9th one is what stopped your breathing. ) You were just getting to enjoy the 5th pill so you take 3 more. Then you feel very nice so you take two more, thinking you’re nearing the perfect amount, not knowing that there are still 6 undigested pills in your stomach and you just put two more in there.

Pill 7 made you pass out. Pill 9 stopped your breathing. And you still have 5 more to digest. This is an accidental overdose, and the reason the first thing they did before they had Narcan was to pump your stomach.

Chew your pills on an empty stomach. They taste like diarrhea from a vulture who eats the assholes out of dead cows, but you get your buzz very fast. It’s harder to OD when you’re already spinning. AND you’ll waste fewer pills on a bad trip.
 
I feel for you Squeaky. I sure hope this surgery helps you. I am so sorry that you have to go through that and go through withdrawal misery too. I agree that you sure don't want to wake up from surgery in withdrawal and have to rely on the hospital accounting for tolerance. I sure don't want you feeling like committing suicide while you get the tolerance down either.

The hospital will give you I.V medication, I would think and that is a lot stronger than the extended release pills. I would most definitely get off all loperamide now. I would make that the goal. At least if your oxy is working good, you will be alright.

Well guys, it looks like we all are going to be sick and going through withdrawal for awhile. I have to make it until the 12 th for my refill and have been taking a morphine, loperamide mix to keep myself alright. Soon to be just lope. Then I have to come off the loperamide. Ugh!
 
I made it on 60 ng oxy yesterday. Down from 105 the day before. My ribs hurt this morning, but I slept pretty ok (with 300 mg lyrica and 2mg Ativan).
Today’s target is 45 mg but I’ll settle for 60.
 
Hi all, I’m new here. I’m facing a choice as to start a long taper from 30mg 3 times a day of OxyContin, plus 40 mg a day of Oxycodone, all prescribed by pain Mgmt. But to be honest, I’ve been on that same dose for 3 years, and 3 months ago my pain was too much and my PM dr wouldn’t increase my dose despite my tolerance, so I started buying extra Oxy off the street. (This was all prescribed for an autoimmune disease I was diagnosed with 3 years ago that eventually disabled me).so the actual amount in my system is higher.So now I’m trying to decide if I want to do a long taper, but I don’t think I have the ability to stick to the schedule, or do a faster withdrawal and ask the Dr for meds to help the side effects. I have some meds that would helptge withdrawal now, a little gabapentin, 6 pills of Valium, kratom, 2 bottles of hydroxyzine, but no clonodine. If you could get any drug to help with Opiate withdrawals, what would you ask for? (I don’t want methadone or suboxone tho).And any advice for the side effects meds on the faster withdrawal schedule, or advice in general is welcome.I’m so impressed by the knowledge and kindness of this forum. You all are awesome. I’m lucky to have found this place!
 
The feeling of longing for something that you have long lost hope for ever bearing the fruit of creation
The feeling of being internally under attack by what other than the self
Dreadful boredom leading to heightened states of panic and fear, but never excitement
That is a feeling of long ago
There is nowhere to go from here
That freedom falls; liberation no longer realistic

My bones ache still. I am too depressed to think very much and am very lazy. I think I remember I was happier before when I had been clean a while, but that seems like a distant dream. It has been over a week and I still feel like shit. I can only take so much but what is the point of using something that will make me feel what I felt this past week all over again.

I feel depressed though. Empty. Like a sea shell, with no wind to blow through it. I feel like a desert animal that's dried up of water and thirsty to the point it is a danger. I feel so fucked up though. My body is going haywire. I'm trying to remember me last detox as I was clean a long time, forgot what it was like to be sick. Felt totally normal, didn't have bad back aches. How long did it take? I normally remind myself to give it 10 days. It has been over a week, so I will see how I feel on Tuesday. Hopefully better than this. I can't tell if I'm just at the poorest possible state of health (I really don't think I am I was doing yoga this week, still eating okay and lots of tea... other than bong etiz and potentially psychs I am pretty much healthy, and do things to try and compensate for the abuse... keep my diet clean, lots of water and tea, little things) ) or if I'm in withdrawal anymore.I can't tell if this is withdrawal or if this is naturally how I feel.

I can't tell if it's withdrawal. But then I notice I am twitching my feet constantly flexing them repetitively in the background. The muscles of my upper arms feel like they are on fire. I was overcome by this feeling earlier. I am trying to keep it together for work, but I feel dissociated from reality. I never feel like anything is real in withdrawal, like I'm in a nightmare. It makes keeping responsibilities a challenge. I should really commit to a taper since I have the supply. Although, I'd likely end up getting really high. I hate suboxodoze, tried it extensively don't like the feeling. I will take it one day at a time, hoping that things slowly improve. Last time I think it took 3 weeks and that sounds about right. Not really worth it for a short relapse and it's really just as bad, not as physically intense but easily just as miserable. My emotions are fucked, my entire body every system seems to be going haywire. Feel like I can't even breathe sometimes or like my hormones are totally out of whack. I feel completely burnt out. I remember I felt quite well before, so I should bear that in mind and it didn't take too long. It has already been a long while though I am getting impatient just want to feel okay.

Just weird that on day 8 or somethin I feel worse than I did on days 3 or 4...

The power of observation is a key
to indiscriminate awareness

I have been tripping a lot lately. I smoked a lot of dmt the other day with some friends, and I couldn't remember my phone number after a few times. Took me a while to piece myself back together after that one. I didn't realize that what I was thinking during the trip I was saying out loud, it only made sense to me at the time. I don't remember much but really crazy visuals, really it is a whole new dimension there is no describing it. And I was experiencing synesthasia a blending of the senses... I don' know what to say about that. haha

I still feel like shit. I'm hoping to feel better soon. I'm hoping to stay off drugs other than weed and etiz and some psychs and tea. I remember I felt better before. I shouldn't feel like shit for too much longer. I don't need the other sedatives anymore just my etiz for now. If I took some oxycodone, I'd feel great. I'd also feel great without it though if I hang in there. Probably sooner than later at this point, but it's just weird that I feel worse on day 8 than before... but then again, I can't even really remember before. This whole relapse has been a haze it's draining time like that. I can't move forward until I get through it and my habit is heavy enough at this point that I simply can't function while using like I used to be able to. I can't get enough of the stuff now.
 
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Kismet555- Check out Loperamide. AKA Immodium. Kirkland Brand on Amazon or EBay is dirt cheap. Some folks have had great results. Plan your worst withdrawls for nighttime and use the Valium when you can’t sleep. Beware benzo addiction though, worse than oxy withdrawl.
I have personally been in the same position as you. Even supplementing from some off the street. My advice: spend a couple of days getting back down to your prescribed dose. I stopped buying from my dealer because I figured out it was a losing battle. If you’re prescribed 150mg/day, but you take 180 mg/day, then you will always spend about $900 per month buying drugs on the street. It is no different than someone with no prescription buying 3 percocets/day from a dealer. It is degrading and dangerous- but you already know all of that.
You can always excuse your behavior during withdrawls by saying you have the flu, or some leftover Chinese that must gave gone bad has made you sick. Nobody will even question it, and it’s amazing how often you can use that excuse as long as you are truly feeling crappy.
Start by cutting every pill in half. Convince yourself that each ‘half-piece’ is one pill. After about two days of that it becomes easier to feel like you’re dosing more than you actually are. Extended release tablets really suck because they don’t last as long as they say, and your brain craves that feeling of going from bad to good-which you don’t get with ER tabs. I learned to bite them into tiny pieces and let them dissolve on an empty stomach. Chew your pills on an empty stomach and wait 30 minutes, then eat a solid meal without any sugary foods foods or stimulants like coffee or Coke. Something like steak and potatoes. You get to feel the pain release that you’re looki
Next move: Become your own advocate. Start researching auto-immune disorders and what causes them. Usually they’re triggered by sonething you’re eating, like MSG. Solve your pain problem, them you can solve your pain management problem.
Don’t overwhelm yourself though. Right now your goal should be getting back to where you’re not buying off the street.
Don’t be too hard on yourself either. It took you a couple of years to get here. Spending a couple if months to get back sounds like s win to me.
 
It's day 12 I just realized so 12 full days. I am still in hell. I think my spirits are low this time. There is less hope, since there was a relapse. Less much needed optimism. I hope I'm still sorting my head out I'm sure that I am and this isn't how I will feel a week from now. I feel fried. I forgot my phone number the other day several times. I seem to get amnesia in withdrawal, I wish I could remember it better as then I would stay well away from the drugs. No amount of relief is worth this suffering, 12 days and I still feel like shit.

I am mainly depressed / low energy / empty shell today. Burning muscles in my upper arms. Restless feet constantly kicking. My body aches all over but really it is the depression getting to me. I can't do anything creative, I feel like a zombie. I don't have the energy to go pick up my headphones, or the drive to listen to music. I can't focus on reading a book at all. How much longer of this shit - 12 days, really? I could have sworn it was day 8 or 9. I feel like I'll never get it back because I'm lost in the fires of hell. I will get it back though and it will only be another week or so of this before my body drastically sorts itself out. Then I am left with a lifelong struggle.
 
You’ll get there Shroomi. It’s not much farther.
Any idea if your extended wd’s this time are due to something orher than opiates? Did you maybe quit smoking weed or cut way back on Tylenol? I know percocet comes with 325mg tylenol per pill. SO if you switch from 10 percs a day to 100mg straight oxy per day, you could have some pretty awful wd’s from the 3+ grams of tylenol you’re not taking all of the sudden. I had sone tylenol wd’s once and they really screwed my head up really bad. Maybe the 2c-c or benzos?
 
I feel like that shit may have fried my brain temporarily. I can't think straight enough to evaluate how I am feeling. I feel like shit and it has been just shy of two weeks. I don't even know if I should hang in there I get oxy's in a couple of days.

The dependency is progressing, whatever powerful energies are required to detox are being depleted...

I feel defeated. I feel like shit and I have been sick for the holidays, Christmas was the last day I used. It took a few days for the sickness to really kick in hard this time for some reason. Maybe there was a lot built up in my system. So maybe that is why it's taking so long this time. Should watch my diet and sleep.

I am going to try loperamide today, 24mg, I think it does help. I am lost, I don't know what to do with myself. I still have restless legs and muscle aches. I think about heroin a lot. This shall pass I can get back in touch with my friends be able to think straight again just why so long this time. Feels like a month of my life has been thrown away.
 
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I always get the not being able to pay attention or think straight or remember anything when in opiate withdrawal.
Severe pain causes that also. I hate it.
I just try and stay calm through that. It is rough I know. It does pass though.

Just hang out and relax today. There is nothing you need to do. Watch some movies, cook yourself some food, just do basic and easy things. Keep drinking lots of water. Flush your system out and try the loperamide. It does help me to not feel so anxious and brain dead.
 
I took 20mg of loperamide, I don't think it is in my budget to get more. 20mg will have to do, I still feel bad.

I am trying to plan my day out a bit since I should be managing my life better. I started with cleaning, now I have some personal time I think I will read, but I really need to have some good foods so I am going to go buy some, since I've been practically starving myself. I am going to go to yin yoga this evening, as well. I haven't really been staying hydrated enough I'm too burnt out to do anything it seems.

I have been through this to the clean side before I am wondering what is taking so long this time. Guess I've really worn myself out but it's not a nice way to start the new year. I'm not capable of much and have pretty much given up.
 
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