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That sounds awesome.

I've been messed up for a really long time now. To the point of no return, and I don't really feel like getting any older man.

Could have had a sick life. I wonder what's next. The sadness has overwhelmed me to the point that I am no longer able to numb myself to the self hatred. This body is a prison of god damned loneliness. I wish things were efferent that one girl just one around my age gave a fuck about me other than family. I cannot think of a single girl I know in person. Not one. I have thrown my life away, renounced the fear of death and bring it the fuck on. I am too sick of this masking this stupid fucking problem with drugs I don't want to do and health problems I don't even have apart form my fucked up brain. It makes me feel even more inferior knowing I am good looking and talented and stuff it's like wow you really gotta be a fucking loser to not be able to get anywhere with a girl you like. I hate myself for this so much that I feel I deserve and owe it to myself to end my life. It will be random though, nothing will be mentioned. I wish to disappear, and I will hide my body deep in the great outdoors.

I don't really want to go back to opiates either. It makes my life pointless. I wonder how long I will last before I snap at myself.
 
Sounds like you've done more than me in terms of life and i'm about to hit the dreaded 30 this year. If you have to take meds/opiates to feel better, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Don't worry about the life you could have had, think about the life you wan't to have.

Don't end your life, you only get this day. Worrying is like a rocking chair it will give you something to do but you'll never get anywhere. Self pity is the most honest feeling you can give yourself. If you kill yourself you are killing the wrong person.
 
Wise words Chompy.......
I have come inches from killing myself at least a hundred times. Sometimes I use the peacefulness of hanging from a rope to lull myself to sleep when I have insomnia.
Life isn?t fair. The truth is that I look back on all of the time I have been on this Earth since I DIDNT end my life and I can see that I have taken something away from all of the people in my life who have tried to hurt me. If I quit then they win. Fuck them all, Im still here and they can all suffer one more day.

Go get some H Shroomi. One more day alive on H is better than one day dead. Who knows... maybe you?ll get sick of getting high before you get too tired of living. That?s pretty much what happened to me (with alcohol)
 
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You would think that my family would inspire me to want to live, but I guess Im just not wired like that.
 
Im about 55 hours since last dose. I tried the Temazepan , put me right out but only gave 4 hours sleep not bad . Feel kinda weak and grumpy , took lop 4mg for bathroom stuff, arms have that weird feeling but other wise getting thru the day .

Satori ; you prob get so depressed because you are so isolated at home in your own head. Keep trying for a job . Im married but honestly Im hit on more at work than anywhere , when you work with people everyday you make friends , get to know all kinds of people etc.
 
Hugs guys. All of you.
I actually did try and kill myself but it did not work out so great. Believe me, I understand.
It was really the experience from that ; that helped me.
I know there is a lot of suffering and it is hard but there is a purpose.
Like alchemy: turning lead/ iron into gold.
We really are loved more than I could have imagined. I do not think you will be reincarnated as some terrible thing either Shroomy.

I think we need to make ourselves the most comfortable and most functional as is possible and try to enjoy the little things in life.
Distraction helps. I watched the Planet of the Apes series and it was actually pretty good. Keeping busy with movies, music, making music, art, meditation/ yoga, tea time, taking time to take care of ourselves and dress so we feel normal. Pay attention to our nutrition, hot bath soaks, reading, researching, and just try to enjoy some nature and try to enjoy the moment.

I love you all and I am sorry that we have to live with such problems and pain but there is joy and happiness too.
I also understand the pain. I don't think any less of anyone for anything they may need to do to make themselves comfortable.
Make life tolerable somehow. I'm trying too.

Larimar- keep in mind that you could take more loperamide and it takes away all of my withdrawal pretty much. I can sleep and function and am not tortured. Just be careful not to take it for too long. I wish you well. You can do this! You will be feeling better and your husband too and have a better life. Just hang in there.
 
Larimar- I have had great results with high doses of Loperamide. 150 mg in a day. Not the smartest thing to do but I felt completely normal. Like PainfulOne said, just don?t do it for more than a couple of days.
 
Thanks guys but I have read thru all the lope threads here and the large doses are just scary to me, gonna stick with 4-8 mg . My habit wasnt that high but Im def feeling bad . Im just so irritated and have anger that I cant place. I just feel rage , hard to explain. Hot baths have been my savior. Tried that benzo for sleep last night but I dont want to get caught in that trap either , might try like 3 -50 mg thc gummys tonight . Thanks everyone for the support and just reading everyones struggles helps. Misery loves company I guess . Love and light :)
 
Larimar you are correct in that I have no social life at all as a way to meet women or do anything fun with friends. If I met these chicks through friends or work or an event of sorts it would be so much easier. The girl I went on dates with last November and December asked me if I wanted to meet for dinner through work. I didn't have to do anything but talk to her. I am really prioritizing the job and also, I seem to make friends easily but it seems like other people don't. I do not hang out with people ever anymore, maybe once this year for a dmt seance that was like an hour. My weed guy is a chill dude and we're gonna smoke a blunt sometime, and hit some dmt as well since he hasn't tried it and wants to. Apart from that, I cannot recall hanging out with anyone at all this year who I know. It's all I used to do, of course this saddens me.

This is why I get out to the mall, to the guitar shops, the candle shops, the libraries and book shops and coffee haunts etc etc etc and just talk to people wherever, get out for walks when it is warm enough, and play a lot of guitar. Today was all spring cleaning I have not had a chance to even really sit down let alone rest my back. I am keep really busy, made it to yoga twice already this week, I'm doing really well I needed my benzos back. I'm over two months clean of opiates, and have an interview soon for something small. I've been applying for jobs in person too and not being uncomfortable or anything even when I should be taking a benzo and am panicky a bit.

Painful One, your second paragraph is like, exactly what I've been doing to successfully quit. Keeping busy how I normally would, healthy stuff, getting myself active when I am not feeling it. So much early grey today. I am cutting back from absurd amounts of weed to a bong rip every 6 hours and to keep my mind off the cravings I've been cleaning and running errands all day. I was able to do this in oxycodone withdrawal this past time but never before in an opiate withdrawal as they were too extreme. I would typically be in bed for the better part of 2 to 3 weeks. My friend told me it is so bad for me because of how long I was using without any break at all and a bunch of factors, anyways I actually still get opiate withdrawal. I have been having those aches in my upper arms lately, and I think it is because I was thinking of using for a bit. Just the thought, can induce withdrawals. I've also had near-constant mild RLS. I think maybe in a year I will be good from that, but I can function now. Yours was saddening to read though I suppose some of mine are as well.

Squeaky, seems like a lot of things would inspire me to live as well. I don't think I could do any H man unless things get worse. It has been two months and I am still getting withdrawal symptoms on some days and that is normal. How could I ever go through this again - the answer is I couldn't. Every time you lose a pile of building blocks to repair the body and withdrawal becomes extreme, side effects set in. I think this is the first non-stoned message I wrote this year. I have smoked two bong tokes in the past 12 hours which is healthy for me, I got mmj finally too so I can try things out like CBD. I find that less is more with weed and I lose the medical benefits if I smoke too much and also it becomes a financial burden.

Hope you are all doing well. I have had a good day today and the only reason my mind wasn't going "weed weed weed weed" most of the day was because I kept myself very physically active. Anything at all to keep the mind off but I find that movies and reading are the toughest for me. I'm having a lot of trouble concentrating still. Not normal for me, but I'm still reading my book.
 
Well I am writing again my back hurts so fucking bad right now. Fuck. It is horrible I haven't had a rest in like 14 hours.

Girls don't seem to mind me. I'm sure a pretty one will scurry along my way one day and hop up in my ride. More important I gotta get a job and then I make friends. Smoke a backwoods with my weed guy. Dispensary weed sucks here it's way too expensive and I'm scrounging for money so often I see him for weed like every 2 or 3 days to keep stoned, lo, but we are oldschool with weed meetup switch upl. Since we grew up with it being like that having to be super secret. It's funny shit like why not buy a half ounce... well when I had the money to do so, I just smoked more weed.

It's sweet that I got a mmj card!!! I'll still be meeting up in parking lots LOL. Serious, but I might try cbd or thc caps on top of that. Gotta rip that bong and this guy is fun we always have a good time chillin. He's real chill, skinny younger dude dresses in black like me def legit and we both love weed so much and are always so fucking blitzed. So we gotta smoke a backwoods he says and yeah like he's always within a few hour time period. usually like 1. There are people in my life who despise my cannabis use. This gives me some protection from that and definitely strong weed. Since, the doctor who referred me is like for our whole family and she is very prudent lol my mom would never have me go to the most slightly suspicious doctor ever. And then she was like you still smoke weed I'm like yeah I''m stoned right now she's like there's this medical program... cbd and stuff but really the bong is for me. Those heaviest bong tokes that just get ya.

Ow. Seriously. owy owy owy. Good thing I'm not getting weed for a couple hours my entire back is locked up. Any of you ever try those peppermint oil based sprays, or like there are natural essential oil blends that sooth the muscles. They actually work. I find myself doing stuff like this constantly, I'm on my massive heating pad right now cause it hurts so dammn bad I literally can't move. But I'm trying to strengthen my back like get used to it. My body will begin to produce more natural endorphins the more amount of pain I am in, and then I will be in less pain. Like yoga isn't painful but definitely releases endorphins so I get hooked on something healthy.

Hope you are feeling better Larimar. Withdrawal sucks. I will be there again. Not with opiates though, I really hope not. I'm almost at 9 weeks now. The benzo withdrawal actually sped up the process and I had bulked up a bit so my body weight is fine, didn't get too skinny or lose much flexibility. Fuck does my back ever hurt though like talk about agony. It's a good thing I just snuck out to the trails and ripped a .15 gram bong toke that hit me real nice after 6 hours.

I'm so stoned. I'd smoke three of those when I wake up in the morning and hardly feel it. There are days for that too though, haha. I am getting so stoned it's a distraction, like typing, and lil peep, and anything but my damn spine. I need another toke but it's my last one and traditionally I reserve my last bong rip for just before I go and grab more weed. That was some nice og kush it's time to grab some grape krush. I am liking these indica dominant hybrids it varies a lot though this indica sativa thing there is a lot to it.

Oh did I mention this!!!!!! This made my whole entire week amazing. While spring cleaning I came across a heritage collection banana republic hoodie. with a zip down. It's grey and has three buttons with a lil foldover at the neck and it fits my shoulders perfectly. My tea buddy friend even commented on it lol it's an expensive piece of clothing but totally my style too since I wear lots of black and this grey is a really nice one. Dark grey, with a gold coloured zipper, and white pants go well with it too. It's so damn awesome and I remember where it comes from.

My only friend who it possibly could. My oldest friend too. A true, generous and hilarious friend who is very similar in height and weight and strength to me. He is a hell of a fighter. Dude's still hung up on his high school ex we're like 30. He is wealthy though, and wore nice clothing like this I totally remember him leaving it when I was away at school or something like that and just being like whatever. I never wore it, or thought about it much at all whatsoever. I have lost so much clothing over the years, so much clothing it is insane that I have this when I don't even wear it. Fuck. It's possible when he came over here the one time last year we usually meet up elsewhere anyways maybe he left it here then.

No, though. No way. I remember having this I know I do. I thought it was old and didn't fit but it's long which I like and fits my shoulders and stuff sooooo nicely. lol, and the hoodie is great too. I am wearing it the 3rd day in a row. I asked them at banana republic if they could recognize my sweater, and they couldn't. Serious, I swear this thing is like 15 yea old banana republic heritage collection like something I'd actually buy myself that appeared out of nowhere. Like my friend is watching over me, it is his pisces season too. It's just crazy how much I like this sweater lol I might switch up the white jeans for black tonight. Yeah. Totally doing that. True religion jeans of course. lol. I don't wear any other types of jeans ahaha but always find them cheap.
 
Glad you feeling better Satori. Thats the key with weed I think , you can enjoy it more after you have done all your chores, errands , make it like your treat for the day . My hubby loves weed like you, I was a drinker until I started pills , that was 1 good thing about the oxys , they made me never really want to drink anymore. Weed makes me paranoid , had my first panic attack after doing dabs/wax weed, thought my throat was closing . I have always been a melancholy type person and the oxy just made me blissful for the first time in my life, thats what I will miss the most ; being that happy social smiling Kelly. I guess ill just have to find that happiness elsewhere, because the oxy is fake like fools gold.
 
Hopefully you are feeling better as well. There is a key with the herb it is a finicky thing. I am rewarded with better highs, less impulsivity, improved self control, so much money saved and a lower tolerance. And so much more energy it is incomparable. I was smoking so much ever since opiates wd's but I can't be doing that at this time of my life if I want to get anywhere. I love weed so I can't be quitting that either especially with the current stress. I got some tropically aromatic pineapple express so let's see how long I can make that last, lol. If I am not careful one day. If I don't overuse it, a week. Weed over anything for me can be useful as an antidepressant and digestive stimulant. And, as a means to get stoned because of course I will always smoke recreationally too. Smokin bong is epic fun for me. It does not reduce my back pain but if I just smoked it will distract me from it.

Your description of opiates reminds me of oxy or heroin either one would give me so much cheerful energy. Otherwise I'd be all slouched shoulders just a depressed vibe, my whole life I was like that especially in university. I could be very productive at times as well while using opiates in the beginning. Eventually over time my brain changed and now they are extremely destructive and life threatening to me. I sometimes question how happy I really was though. There is a difference between happiness and euphoria. I was functional though for several years while abusing the hell out of both benzos and opiates.

I feel like a fool. Not only about the opiates. That is a big step forward I just can't visualize yet because at 9 weeks my head is still scrambled from it trying to remember who I am. I started to play guitar again yesterday. I don't seem to have lost any skill but my fingers will blister as I get used to the strings again. Hot yoga is so good for guitar playing since I'm supporting my body weight with my hands so much and my hand area is more flexible from it so that helps guitar. That is fun. I will play again today. I was in agony yesterday I am trying not to perceive it that way and keep going. If I stop doing anything for a moment it's just like 'weed weed weed' right now I smoked extremely heavily since September and now in moderation. I've been reading research studies on cannabis this morning (I woke up at 2am, couldn't sleep and I usually take a bong toke and pass out right away but I stayed up this morning and now I am 5 minutes away from my morning unsuited-to-the-frigid-weather bong toke at 6am.

That's awesome, I dealt with the insomnia I will have for some time. These research studies on cannabis are crazy. delta-9 THC directly affects so many parts of the body I never even knew. It has an active metabolite that is much more prominent in edibles. Burning weed produces 2000 chemicals and it said there were 421 identified in pot, and like 60-some of them were cannabinoids like THC. The clearance rate for someone like me if I just stopped would be 2 weeks to a month. Well, no wonder I am having trouble eating and sleeping first few days haha. I'd love to see some studies on other cannabinoids like THCV, and evidence that terpenes do anything because essential oils contain a lot of terpenes and I'm inhaling them all the time. Personally think that is more of a flavour / enjoyment aspect but I gotta see how deeply this has been studied now. There was nothing before I could find that was interesting, years ago.


Was just reading through this thread a bit after getting really stoned. I am at a fascinating part of Infinite Jest where this lovely and well educated pretty but troubled young woman who smokes crack has a plan to kill herself by smoking like 8 grams of crack. It is a very dark part of this book and I am almost done the passage. I feel for this girl but I have had these thoughts but the idea of carrying them out is really not a good one. She is in the darkest of places, but is a good person with morals and values she has held to. It is hard to read, actually. The book is amazing so far. And look at me, sitting here by candlelight and burning some bergamot. I am going to close this thing and pick up that book and damn I'm a lil scared it is one of the darkest passages I have ever read. The book seems to have 3 subplots that interconnect and one of them involves a halfway house and there is a lot of writing about addiction and character descriptions and details of specific drugs, like, all of them. The book is over 1000 pages long so there is a lot. There is a lot of subtle and cold humour too. Really enjoying this and then me and my bro get to discuss it which is super cool. He will definitely remember this part of the book.
 
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I like shopping at banana republic. Today was leg day so I just did squats and I am just exhausted. Mind is empty. Eating everything in sight. Went to doctor's for a follow up. Nothing too exciting. Just the way I like it. Still really stoned tho, I got a great deal on those 3 grams of wax
 
I've been dropping 10mg a week at the methodone clinic. Started at 160 and I'm down to 120 as of today. I haven't had any really bad symptoms. I have had some opiate cravings though which is scary. But overall it's going well so far
 
chompy your day sounds like mine. I got a good deal on some pineapple express, came from a ten year old guitar pedal I have no use for my style of playing and it still worked that I found spring cleaning and I had one bong toke left so I got some good weed at the dispensary minus that. I just got really lit off a solid bong toke... really very stoned right now. Oh right I have stuff to do. The part of that book I read was crazy I am going to read a lil more for now.I am going to read that passage again it was very well written.And I was going to play guitar I stupidly cut my thumb though so I might have to wait and I had an errand to run and an email to send. Ithin I'll be closing my eyes and listening to tunes in my headphones in the dark for a while. Damn I have bagels in the oven but I remembered to turn the oven off so they are likely toasty and yummy they just have a lot of stuff more like sandwich kinda.

man those were good. Dude I got serious munchies and a stoner grin and yeah man banana republic is the shit I like their socks, I like true religion jeans and dressing differently however I feel at the time and try n pair things that are different like my old teenager skater clothing with something a little fancier if it can work and often it can, and ike band shirts n stuff. I love piercings n dyed hair done right man I have black hair but it's blonde now it's crazy dude. Then the roots come in and I can experiment with styling it. Too much fun. Piercings can be hot on girls too if they are done in a creative way if I find her cute I def compliment them and see a blush lol. I don't mean to, they are just sick if she has a rook or conch or triple helix or some cartilage thing that like 4 months later my conches are nowhere near healed.

Tough not to have cravings for these things. I am still having physical wd's a little today it's insane how long it went on for while I functioned in life somehow. Got me at the end of the day. Great decision maker here. I'm soooo stoned it is wonderful to feel a high from weed, being typically permastoned and all. I haven't been and I get so damn lit off .1 - .15 every time in one toke. I'm so stoned my hands are tingly and it's hard to keep my eyes open I am seeing colours I used to see on 2c-c and since I haven't slept since 2am I am finding myself a sleepyhead. ... ... .. . ...... .......... . . ........ .

Nack to my day.
 
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My sleep schedule is all messed up i like to sleep in the daytime and stay awake all night

I have had that happen Chompy. You have got to force yourself to stay awake during the day and start switching it over little by little.
Make yourself a routine that you do before going to bed. Like take a hot shower, don't eat after a certain time or use computer or t,v and only get in your bed to sleep. Etc. Your body gets used to certain cues that it is time to sleep. It makes it a lot easier.

Shroomy that book sounds really good. I'm glad you are enjoying it so much. I can't wait to hear what happens. Lol!
I'm happy you are feeling better and yes! About the awesome shirt! Yay! It does make you feel better to dress nice.
I love true religion jeans too. They have an amazing fragrance too. Check out their perfume/cologne if you have not already.

I'm doing a deep hair conditioning and facial mask right now. I love skin care too. I'm so happy spring and summer are almost here!
I miss the sun and the heat. It is starting to look like spring around here! :)

I am finding the indica dominant sativa hybrid combination to be right on medically helpful. I have been able to play word games and strategy and things that I have not been able to do for years now. I am able to be more active. Less is more with this stuff too.
Just one hit is good for half the day. It is way helpful to use it this way for me.
 
I suck . I am weak . 40 mg last night. I was doing so well but my skin was just crawling . Something super scary happened to me after , when I woke up this morning I was blind for like 10 seconds!!!!! My eyelids were open but I could not see anything . This ever happen to anyone, could this be oxy related ? Never felt terror like that before ..
 
Painful One sativa dominant hybrids are my fave as well. I am having digestive issues a lot of tightness and cramping. Haven't been sleeping well at all. So I got some clean foods and normally I don't have much meat but I got some high quality sourced meats since I got so skinny. They are pricy but I don't mind because I eat so little lately. And vegetables, pineapples, kale, lemons and ginger. I can only stomach the ginger tea so far, I don't know what it is. I just googled beef liver since I am trying it for the first time and am going to pan fry it with some basil, kale, shiitake mushrooms, garlic, ginger, and red jalape?os. Maybe tomato I didn't get roma ones though just vine. It will probably turn out completely differently or I will cook the duck breast I got in like some crazy pasta or the chicken thigh. My tummy just started to rumble after writing that lol. I'm going to try this stuff, maybe it can repair my own presumably damaged liver. I also got duck, chicken thigh and a second liver all good stuff.

I have lots of stuff for veggie pastas too and had cheese at home. Wow I am actually hungry. Yay, it is freezing out here and was dark out to get the groceries. The cashier was cute. And yeah painful one for a while I was living off fruits cause I was too panic stricken to go to the grocery store at the worst so I got some healthy meats as my body has been getting enough fats and carbs but definitely not protein. I am psyched to be cooking with all this stuff! I will add some turmeric and black pepper, this is a good anti-inflammatory. Pineapple is good for muscle aches.

I think the ginger tea will help with my stomach it feels tied in a knot. I tried smoking 5 bong rips on a low tolerance and I'm super stoned but still not my normal voracious appetite. I slept all afternoon and I probably won't sleep tonight and go to early morning yoga. That will definitely stimulate my appetite even without weed. I am excited to have beef liver with fresh herbs, spices, veggies, hot peppers and mushrooms. Should make me feel really good. How I feel is incredibly dependent on my diet I am crazy about it if I eat the wrong foods and get nauseous I will become easily agitated. So happy to have healthy food back in stock just wish the lemons didn't have to soften a little but they're good ones. Got really stoned to go grocery shopping.

Larimar, that doesn't sound pleasant. Never happened to me that way. I have woke up and seen things that are not there for a bit. That skin crawling feeling is bad but I find it is deep to the bone. That pain permeates the entire limb I find, it is my worst symptom, the full body muscle aches. I still have physical withdrawals on lots of days at week 9 but I just need to eat these healthy foods hit up a yoga class and get hydrated. Smoke some more weed if I can afford it somehow. I have like a gram. I have sleep paralysis, I think that is a different thing but it is highly unpleasant being stuck in between dreaming and waking with a body paralyzed so I don't act out in my dreams but I feel like I am dying and try to cry out for help as there are people around my bed talking about me but nobody can hear me because I can't talk. Being with good friends at parties and talking to them then suddenly being unable to speak no matter how hard I try was a reoccurring dream I had for a while. Ginger tea should help get my metabolism going I made a nice cup with shredded ginger. Just tried a sip it is quite nice. There is a lot of ginger in there.

I like yoga cause it's strengthening my body but I'm not getting any bigger really so I don't have to eat too too much food. I am def going to an early class tomorrow that will help my stomach too. You know, I could do some gentle yin spinal twists on my mat here as well. Breathing in a spinal twist should really help get me ready for a healthy dinner. It is almost 10 but I slept all afternoon so I still feel like I'm waking up.
 
And yeah painful one so that story it is introducing her character at her demise. It is a sad part of the book. Spoiler alert haha. She seems so chill, and around my age and described as very attractive. She had an inheritance for the drug money and rocked crack from pharm grade coke in this story. She feels there is nothing to live for and feels she can't quit and the writer uses wording like Too Much Fun and The Material it is trippy. And here and there about how she got hooked and stuff, how it is like sniffing coke condensed into an outburst and she never loved anything more except like one thing from her childhood. He describes the details so vividly and how nonchalant she is. She is tired of how it isn't fun anymore and how she through away her paraphernalia again so she has to be smart and has all this makeshift stuff and she gets 8 grams and goes in her dealer this ladies washroom and cooks it up, eventually it's like a party they realize someone has been in there a very long time. She hasn't been this deliberate in at least a year, she is thinking and after the first hit she sinks to the floor and the ending is very grim when she smokes the rest. It's sad, wasted potential. Later on in the book I will likely learn a lot more about her character since time isn't linear in the novel.

It's awesome too because every part I find crazy and tell my brother about he says he remembers vividly and it is an over 1000 page book we're like you know it's a good read when....
 
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