Positive The Tapering Supportive/Social Thread

[Painful One]

I'm glad to say that as of this Monday i'm completely rid of kratom. I can't explain how much better I feel, I wish to never go back to kratom.

Well done!
How did you do it?
Tapering?

Congratulations ! That is a huge accomplishment!!
I am so happy you are feeling so much better.

 

[Squeaky]

I’m actually using very little Loperamide this time. I am however using tons of Kratom. Somewhere in this mess is a problem that I cannot sort out:
I’m off the oxy because I ran out. I ran out because I use WAY more than scripted. I use way more than scripted because my tolerance is so high. The question is “Why would my tolerance be close to 300mg/day of oxy when using that much means I’m out of it for three weeks between scripts?” Shouldn’t my tolerance drop significantly after 21 days cold turkey?
Me thinks the Kratom is keeping it high.

 

[P0kemama]

If anyone remembers or has read my posts when I was getting off my pain meds, once my daughter found out, even though she had major issues with a difficult pregnancy, she was there for me 100% without any judgement. Even though this was at least my third time kicking opiates. Without having the courage and humbleness to ask for help and accept her help, I don't know how long I would continue to do the same "dance" as many others: live my life according to what time of the month it was, and that means did I just get my refill from my pain management doctor, or was I at the end of my prescription, just counting the days to my next doctor visit and my next prescription. I was so ashamed to tell her for such a long time, so my life was basically one of isolation.
Adding to her help, I had all my friends here and elsewhere online, and I needed each an everyone of you!
If you have a loving and kind person in your life that you trust, please ask them for help...it made all the difference in the world for me!

 

[Painful One]

I’m actually using very little Loperamide this time. I am however using tons of Kratom. Somewhere in this mess is a problem that I cannot sort out:
I’m off the oxy because I ran out. I ran out because I use WAY more than scripted. I use way more than scripted because my tolerance is so high. The question is “Why would my tolerance be close to 300mg/day of oxy when using that much means I’m out of it for three weeks between scripts?” Shouldn’t my tolerance drop significantly after 21 days cold turkey?
Me thinks the Kratom is keeping it high.

It has to be either the Kratom or the Loperamide or a combination of both that has raised your tolerance so high.
The Loperamide raised my tolerance really high. Just after that 12 day use of it at high doses to bridge my prescription a couple years back, I ended up having severe withdrawal for 6 weeks. It took 8 weeks to get the tolerance completely back down after that.
I was in severe withdrawal from the Loperamide even with taking my normal dose of MS Contin after those 12 days of using a lot of lope.

I have never tried Kratom, so I don’t have any experience with that.

Are you using lope and Kratom on the days without oxy?

Yes, your tolerance should drop significantly after 21 days of cold turkey but you have been taking Kratom and/or loperamide on those days. I think it has and IS making your tolerance rise.
I will read some of the Kratom threads and see if I can help you determine how much it raises tolerance and how long it takes to get tolerance back down.
Let us hope it doesn’t take as long as the Loperamide.

I think the Loperamide is the worst at raising tolerance and long withdrawal... so.... worst case scenario...6-8 weeks.
It was tolerable by using my prescription as prescribed. It got my body used to having regular doses again and stabilized out.

You CAN do this!! We will help you through it. I did it. It can be done.

 

[Painful One]

Opioids Percocet (endocet) effects vs. Hydrocodone
Squeaky, read the above titled thread. It gives a lot of good information concerning your problem.

edited to add- Squeaky, good news on the Kratom, it looks like the withdrawal from it only lasts about five days of severe withdrawal, even with long term use.
I have been reading KratomDemon’s blog about quitting it and it looks to be a shorter withdrawal then the other opiates.

I wonder if you are still dependent upon oxy. After not using it for 3 weeks out of every month for the last year? You may be physically free from it. Maybe you are now dependent on Kratom And the oxy holds you over during that one week instead of the Kratom holding you over from the oxy for three weeks. Just a thought.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

Well done!
How did you do it?
Tapering?

Congratulations ! That is a huge accomplishment!!
I am so happy you are feeling so much better.

Thank you. I accomplished it through a long taper, over two months of tapering. In hindsight I should have just ripped the bandaid off but it's done and I'm just jubilant.

Onto the current discussion, kratom will keep your tolerance high. It may not have complete cross tolerance with conventional opioids but it's close enough to where it will keep you from getting high.

 

[Boober]

@Painful One About the loperamide. Doesn't that cause hardcore constipation at high doses? I've been considering it for tapering, but the thought of it fucking up my insides unsettles me

 

[Painful One]

@Painful One About the loperamide. Doesn't that cause hardcore constipation at high doses? I've been considering it for tapering, but the thought of it fucking up my insides unsettles me

It didn’t cause hardcore constipation for me because I was using it instead of 60-75 mg morphine a day.
It really cuts down on the withdrawal but if you use too much or for too long, it has a bad and long withdrawal of its own.

The trick to using loperamide is to use small amounts. 65 mg a day was way too much. I have gotten by with 20 mg a day.
Only use it for 3-4 days max too. 12 days was too long for me.

I think it could be used to taper off opiates. But be very careful as it is way stronger than you think, or at least than I thought.
I used it to bridge some gaps in my prescription a few times over the years.
Use my above dosage to gauge how much you would need. It May just hold off withdrawal symptoms though.

Definitely makes withdrawal more comfortable. It held off the restless legs, throwing up, hot /cold flashes, and some of the mental excruciation. I just went back to my prescription. I didn’t have any trouble using the 20 mg for 3-4 days. Pretty smooth transition really.
Considering.

Check out the Loperamide Mega-thread. Some have successfully used loperamide to taper off opiate all together.
Just don’t make the mistake of getting stuck on it.

I wish you the best of luck! Let me know if I can help.

 

[Boober]

It didn’t cause hardcore constipation for me because I was using it instead of 60-75 mg morphine a day.
It really cuts down on the withdrawal but if you use too much or for too long, it has a bad and long withdrawal of its own.

The trick to using loperamide is to use small amounts. 65 mg a day was way too much. I have gotten by with 20 mg a day.
Only use it for 3-4 days max too. 12 days was too long for me.

I think it could be used to taper off opiates. But be very careful as it is way stronger than you think, or at least than I thought.
I used it to bridge some gaps in my prescription a few times over the years.
Use my above dosage to gauge how much you would need. It May just hold off withdrawal symptoms though.

Definitely makes withdrawal more comfortable. It held off the restless legs, throwing up, hot /cold flashes, and some of the mental excruciation. I just went back to my prescription. I didn’t have any trouble using the 20 mg for 3-4 days. Pretty smooth transition really.
Considering.

Check out the Loperamide Mega-thread. Some have successfully used loperamide to taper off opiate all together.
Just don’t make the mistake of getting stuck on it.

I wish you the best of luck! Let me know if I can help.

Thanks so much. I'm wanting out of this dependence so fucking bad. I'm currently tapering h/ fent powder. Making some progress so hopefully I don't need anything extra, but this info is useful

 

[thedawn]

damn guys, whats up, i haven't been here in a while.
I've been only smoking weed and functional and girlfriend and the good shit.

however, Friday things took a turn, it's now sunday evening cali time.
I was on my way to breakfast and AA meeting but just stayed on the bus, something in my thinking, im also bipolar af.
I scored 3 roxies and 2 bars, took them then went for a fucking cheeseburger.
it can happen.
just like that.
I smoked crack and heroin for two days.

Now, I'm not addicted physically so many of you are suffering greater but now im craving it so fucking bad.
I have like money for a night of crack and dope but then im fucked. I have a life now. I can't be fucking around.

tonight im staying in. goddamnit.

 

[Boober]

damn guys, whats up, i haven't been here in a while.
I've been only smoking weed and functional and girlfriend and the good shit.

however, Friday things took a turn, it's now sunday evening cali time.
I was on my way to breakfast and AA meeting but just stayed on the bus, something in my thinking, im also bipolar af.
I scored 3 roxies and 2 bars, took them then went for a fucking cheeseburger.
it can happen.
just like that.
I smoked crack and heroin for two days.

Now, I'm not addicted physically so many of you are suffering greater but now im craving it so fucking bad.
I have like money for a night of crack and dope but then im fucked. I have a life now. I can't be fucking around.

tonight im staying in. goddamnit.

That's tough, bud... I can imagine. Even as someone without an addictive personality, I do get cravings sometimes even when I'm not in much pain. I guess it's for the emotional aspect of feeling shitty about the turn my life took when my back decided it want to destroy me lol. Exercise is literally the best possible answer to cravings. When I got out of detox, I started exercising lightly because I was so weak from the toll my body took from WD and the 5 years of medical dependence, but simply walking around the block a few times was amazing. I felt sooooo much better doing simple stuff like that. Took my mind off the pain and the desire to take anything for it. @thedawn try exercise, homie. It will help produce those feel good chemicals that you're craving naturally. Also it's a good thing it was a short binge. Means you don't have to deal with any WD symptoms

EDIT: I have Dance Dance Revolution on the PS2 at my place and when I'm trying to delay taking my pain relief stuff, I just hop on that shit and it just distracts my body/brain and the pain becomes bearable for awhile. Same for walking. It just works. I am upset that it's winter, though, cause I don't like the cold and it keeps me from walking when I need to distract from the pain to extend my time between doses for tapering

 

[thedawn]

@Boober, thank you for the kind reply.
It's spot on, I'm kinda sick this morning but not going downtown.
I took some loperamide (imodium).

yeah, bro, I got fucked by my head and the cravings.
I will take your advice and get out of the house.
I'm pretty down but it has been way worse before so i will manage.

 

[Zonxx]

oxymorphone

edit- was Oxymorphone effective for pain?

 

[Zonxx]

@Boober, thank you for the kind reply.
It's spot on, I'm kinda sick this morning but not going downtown.
I took some loperamide (imodium).

yeah, bro, I got fucked by my head and the cravings.
I will take your advice and get out of the house.
I'm pretty down but it has been way worse before so i will manage.

buy phenibut, or get some pregabalin. it'll drastically help.

 

[Boober]

@thedawn Of course. Remember where that path leads and never forget. Shit ruins lives and if you're out of the hole now and have a good life with money and a gf, don't go risking that good life for those insidious chemicals. I really wish I was in the position of a person out of the shit I'm in

 

[Painful One]

edit- was Oxymorphone effective for pain?

It was for me! That is what they give me when I can’t get the cluster headaches under control and can actually make it to the hospital.
Works SO good but extremely short lasting. Will break the ”pain cycle” though.

 

[Painful One]

@thedawn Of course. Remember where that path leads and never forget. Shit ruins lives and if you're out of the hole now and have a good life with money and a gf, don't go risking that good life for those insidious chemicals. I really wish I was in the position of a person out of the shit I'm in

You can get there. Small steps. Keep moving forward. Don’t get overwhelmed or frustrated. It is going to take awhile to get out but you are well on your way just by WANTING it so bad. You can do this! I have faith in you.

 

[Boober]

You can get there. Small steps. Keep moving forward. Don’t get overwhelmed or frustrated. It is going to take awhile to get out but you are well on your way just by WANTING it so bad. You can do this! I have faith in you.

I do want it so damn bad. I'm tapering, but with the chronic back pain, it won't really be possible for me to be completely clean. Even when I got out of detox, I had to take kratom for pain. I'll be going to physical therapy and hopefully that + tapering at the same time can fix me up. God, I really fucking want out. I hate this so much

 

[Painful One]

I do want it so damn bad. I'm tapering, but with the chronic back pain, it won't really be possible for me to be completely clean. Even when I got out of detox, I had to take kratom for pain. I'll be going to physical therapy and hopefully that + tapering at the same time can fix me up. God, I really fucking want out. I hate this so much

I know my friend. I am in the same boat with the chronic pain. I hate being drugged but I (and no one else) could live with me due to the severe pain if I was not on medication. I hate being dependent on opioids.
I have an appointment with an award winning neurologist/ headache specialist in December and I am hoping there are some treatment options available for my condition that could make my quality of life better.
I’m not giving up.

Keep trying. Exercise does help. Getting your dosage down does reduce the side effects. Maybe you could even just use the pain medication on bad days. I know that is hard to do with chronic pain. I made it that way for a long time.
I don’t know what you are dealing with or the severity so no judgement here. Do the best you can. That is all we can do.

My pharmacist was telling me that his brother had an implant for back pain/ degenerative disc disease and they are giving him conch snail venom through his spine and he has been able to cut his pain medication in half. There are people trying to find alternatives for people like us.

Keep on keeping on.

 

[Shady's Fox]

@Painful One

How are you? You are a beautiful soul, I see colors in your eyes, you are not dead, this by reading all these comments. So, how are you? Seems like no one's been asking you this for a while from what I see.