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Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

AlphaMethylPhenyl said:
Oh you're fine, just wanted to make sure things are in the spirit of harm reduction! Alcohol doesn't last long enough, and it has effects on some other NT's that make it non-medicinal. Only if it's a real life or death scenario. Otherwise, they usually give people long-acting benzos to make sure that one doesn't seize, and then taper one off of it. Much safer that way.

Not sure what you meant about Dilaudid though. I think that doesn't last very long at all also. Very euphorac but not long-lasting.
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Yes, harm reduction. One of the hospitals, I ended up in before quitting drinking and I had severe withdrawals, would use IV Ativan( works extremely well) and also IV Dilaudid for the pain( about 2 1/2 hours when I was opiate naive, sort of.)
Better but shorter lasting than Morphine.
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Ran out and I'm in full-blown withdrawal. That did NOT last long :(

It took me like 3+ months to get dependant in the first place (3+ months of using 6 times a day)...have how I gotten re-dependant again in just 4 weeks and with only using once a day a lot of the time?
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Do not use more per day than the bottle says. Also a pill spilter. Might help when trying to taper down.
 
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Jnowhere said:
Yes, harm reduction. One of the hospitals, I ended up in before quitting drinking and I had severe withdrawals, would use IV Ativan( works extremely well) and also IV Dilaudid for the pain( about 2 1/2 hours when I was opiate naive, sort of.)
Better but shorter lasting the Morphine.

Do not use more per day than the bottle says. Also a pill spilter. Might help when trying to taper down.
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The issue is, I absolutely CAN take the prescribed dose and not be in any sort of withdrawal at all...but I get a string feeling of anhedonia and boredom and my depression starts getting the better of me.

I can't split the codeine because they're tiny (if you've seen them tiny 25mg Seroquel pills, they're even smaller than that(, but the morphine actually come with that groove down the middle to half them.
 
Jnowhere said:
I knew it, that's what fucked be over, morning drinking, along with after noon and once in a while evening drinking in

You mean that little devil on your shoulder saying, just one last time. Know that feeling well
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That little devil quickly becomes that little doctor.

When the drug is something prescribed. When you already have had more than you need. When you’ve not been buying it from the street or the internet. When insurance is paying for it. When it’s something that works.

I might die without it. My doctor says I should have it. I go to the pharmacy and they call my doctor to help me get more. It starts to sound like insulin. It’s just needed for life.

Wife. Child. Home. Career. And it’s even something that I can get to pass through customs at the airport. It’s not the little devil on my shoulder. It never was….. until it is. And he’s singing at the top of his lungs.

I never got a prescription for beer. And yet beer could not have ruined my life in ways that those little pills did.
 
Squeaky said:
That little devil quickly becomes that little doctor.

When the drug is something prescribed. When you already have had more than you need. When you’ve not been buying it from the street or the internet. When insurance is paying for it. When it’s something that works.

I might die without it. My doctor says I should have it. I go to the pharmacy and they call my doctor to help me get more. It starts to sound like insulin. It’s just needed for life.

Wife. Child. Home. Career. And it’s even something that I can get to pass through customs at the airport. It’s not the little devil on my shoulder. It never was….. until it is. And he’s singing at the top of his lungs.

I never got a prescription for beer. And yet beer could not have ruined my life in ways that those little pills did.
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Good morning @Squeaky , Hope your 4th was wonderful!
Thank you for the above! I am so glad that at least I am sober from alcohol!! that drug ruined my life when I was very young 40+ years ago.
I strongly feel that alcohol introduced today would get itself Scheduled !! There are No medical uses for the substance??? ( well its great at Frat parties, and sporting events Lol Lol )
 
Iceman1216 said:
Good morning @Squeaky , Hope your 4th was wonderful!
Thank you for the above! I am so glad that at least I am sober from alcohol!! that drug ruined my life when I was very young 40+ years ago.
I strongly feel that alcohol introduced today would get itself Scheduled !! There are No medical uses for the substance??? ( well its great at Frat parties, and sporting events Lol Lol )
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I think that recreational use of moderate amounts it is okay. It becomes non-recreational when people use it to cover up problems rather than enhancing a time that's already pleasant. Drinking alone is a good marker for the beginning of an unhealthy relationship with it. YMMV.
 
AlphaMethylPhenyl said:
I think that recreational use of moderate amounts it is okay. It becomes non-recreational when people use it to cover up problems rather than enhancing a time that's already pleasant. Drinking alone is a good marker for the beginning of an unhealthy relationship with it. YMMV.
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Please stop attacking George Thorogood. I admit the lyrics from; I Drink Alone, ain't the greatest.
 
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Iceman1216 said:
strongly feel that alcohol introduced today would get itself Scheduled !! There are No medical uses for the substance??? ( well its great at Frat parties, and sporting events Lol Lol )
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I agree. Jesus turned water into wine and tobacco has been around for thousands of years, but our limitless access to something that is carefully refined into something as strong as what is sold at every grocery store is no better than heroin or cocaine. And yet every government on the planet has sought to tax the booze and imprison those who sell “drugs”.

“I can’t believe that my country’s government wants to limit tge ways in which I can hurt myself”—— Bill Maher
 
Squeaky said:
I agree. Jesus turned water into wine and tobacco has been around for thousands of years, but our limitless access to something that is carefully refined into something as strong as what is sold at every grocery store is no better than heroin or cocaine. And yet every government on the planet has sought to tax the booze and imprison those who sell “drugs”.

“I can’t believe that my country’s government wants to limit tge ways in which I can hurt myself”—— Bill Maher
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No, so many politicians are drunks( like I was)
 
Squeaky said:
Prescribed 2mg Ativan x 3 per day, plus 150 mg oxy per day (30 mg IR pills). I quit Ativan cold turkey and had a small seizure, so I tapered off it for about 2 months with no problems or cravings. The oxy was a different story……

I’m not one to buy drugs illegally (although I did buy 30mg oxys off Craigslist 2 times), so I went from stashing pills for 2 years because I was using less than prescribed, to using my stash because I was using more than prescribed (took another yeart to burn through my sizeable stash), to running low at the end of every month and tapering just so as not to run out (another year), to just throwing my hands in the air each month and running out in 5 or 6 days. That last part where I ran out of pills inside of a week lasted for about 2 years before I told my Dr to lower my dose and switch me to Percocet (hoping fear for my liver would help me stop consuming so much oxy…… nope! I would get my prescription for 120 Percocet’s and burn through it in 3-4 days.

I finally just rescheduled my next Dr appointment, then rescheduled it again, then cancelled it completely. I left on good terms (so that I could go back if necessary), but cancelling that appointment was liberating. I’m no longer a slave to those pills.

Unfortunately I switched back to alcohol, wound up in the emergency room, and I have been sober for 16 days now.
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Hey brother, You still off the bottle?
I hope so!! I find Alcohol to be So so much harder and destructive for me!! Any drug I can pick up, anywhere,anytime, and cheap is my death sentence!

I wish I could be clean of opiates as I am of Alcohol ( been 15 yrs, this time) but I started my long journey of sobriety in 1982! Many people on here where Not even born yet!!:violin:
 
Iceman1216 said:
Yes sir!! Addiction is a disease of denial!! when I first came into program, I was like "return me to Sanity???" I am the most Sane person I Know, just :
Drink a LITTLE too much!
Spend Too much money on Cocaine!
Ha Ha
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What, no cigarettes with the booze and coke?lol
 
Iceman1216 said:
Hey brother, You still off the bottle?
I hope so!! I find Alcohol to be So so much harder and destructive for me!! Any drug I can pick up, anywhere,anytime, and cheap is my death sentence!

I wish I could be clean of opiates as I am of Alcohol ( been 15 yrs, this time) but I started my long journey of sobriety in 1982! Many people on here where Not even born yet!!:violin:
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I got back on Mr Tequila’s wild ride a few weeks ago. Been unable/unwilling to exit.
 
Jnowhere said:
I wish I could say the same. Nicotine is the most addictive drug, that is legal.
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The biggest problem with nicotine is that it’s something to do. The gum doesn’t just make the cravings go away because there’s something about a cigarette or chew that transcends the drug itself.
 
Been "tapering" with valium for almost 2 months now, I keep cheating, having atypical reactions all the time again. First noticed it when the etizolam wasn't putting me to sleep again, similar to a couple of years back when I thought the batch of etiz I bought was bunk, it was just me being manic. Was awake for over 2 days almost yesterday, upped the valium dosage again yesterday, didn't work. Bought more benzos as I'm so low on valium I'm probably not gonna make it to the end with them. Never had this much trouble quitting benzos before, woops.
 
Happy august!! I hope this finds everyone well.
I am still here and still on my norco!! Not a large amount 30mg/day.
I would like to be off, but get tied up with all sorts of 'Life on life's terms shit. I have been wondering if age (63M) plays in to this whole mess? I have been on Norco for 10 years now?? Wow that a big number.
I will keep tring to taper and them jump off and stay off???
 
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