Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

second week.down with 1mg buor and half diaz(5mg)as for bupr.nothing.diazepam-bad headaches and strong stifness in the neck...the dream was fucked even before tappering...so same shit...i guess tappering painmed would gonna feel at jump from minimal to nothing...do not know yet to go in psych.warden or stay at home....not clear yet....tired man...i am tired fuck
 
^ Good on you Nas. I had a horrible reappearing nightmare while I was in the harder parts of tapering. I know they prescribe what is basically a strong blood pressure medication and label it "for nightmares" I'll get you the name of it when I get a chance but i would think any BP med would do the same. I dont know if it will be enough honestly, it wasn't for me...but your habit is much more reasonable.

Psych ward pros and cons--

Pros -- They will make sure if you seize to do something (I hope but?), They will give you a sedative and a couple meds while you are there.

Cons- You are incarcerated-ish, it is expensive (depending), institutionalized care just isnt the same as a human that really cares. No control over comfort meds like MJ alcohol, w/e works for you.

Where I am I would not go to the psych ward for anything but if you aren't in the US you might have much better luck. Or if your hospital is decent, even if you catch a break and get a decent doctor. Most of my experience with it was not by choice or me personally so I will stop there. Do you have a support system of some kind to help you?
 
fuuuck..now it hit me...aint no joke....and iwas wandering why the bottle is still full of liquid..my wife forsure take from there to save when i finished my stash....to not be in full hell and put the rest with only spirit...thats why yesterday i was in some sleepy mood and wonderin whats happen...now i am down abruptly who knows down with 2mg?idk.....on top of that benzo down...guess it take month to clen urself....ye got the possibility to know what bupr.withdrawl is....and iy is nothing...just tappering....now will chainsmoke till my next dose in twelve oclock...guys...take this only for very short times or if u on fent or some other deadly stuff.bad as methadone....shit is this....no joke
 
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^ Good on you Nas. I had a horrible reappearing nightmare while I was in the harder parts of tapering. I know they prescribe what is basically a strong blood pressure medication and label it "for nightmares" I'll get you the name of it when I get a chance but i would think any BP med would do the same. I dont know if it will be enough honestly, it wasn't for me...but your habit is much more reasonable.

Psych ward pros and cons--

Pros -- They will make sure if you seize to do something (I hope but?), They will give you a sedative and a couple meds while you are there.

Cons- You are incarcerated-ish, it is expensive (depending), institutionalized care just isnt the same as a human that really cares. No control over comfort meds like MJ alcohol, w/e works for you.

Where I am I would not go to the psych ward for anything but if you aren't in the US you might have much better luck. Or if your hospital is decent, even if you catch a break and get a decent doctor. Most of my experience with it was not by choice or me personally so I will stop there. Do you have a support system of some kind to help you?
i know ma friend...been in psycho not once....and here in my country..there is no food(they served something like greenish jelly..looks like a sperm)....winter is cold(no money for warming the building)here for mental health budget money are zero.....it was tollerable only at gool old communistic times...and the builging can collapse onureslf every moment.nightmarish place....old school antipsychotics,which can put a sleep even horse.....all together with hardcore psychoss....shits flying around literally...smell and dirt....lovely place.....if u rich-then u got good rehabs
 
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damn! the one positive thing about the place is decent deli meat and most ppl having seroquel appetite.....That sounds pretty rough. Old school anti psychotics egh thats about the same here but you might get some phenobarbital. Yea rich ppl get nicer everything. Shoot hearing all that I probably would skip out on the experience.

Which I am glad I did FTR. But if you don't have some kind of support, even if you do I can see how it can be appealing. As well as the right choice.

Seems like your habit is relatively small, although sub w/ds are longterm crushing as are benzo w/ds. Sounds like you know what you are doing, keep us updated.
 
Thank u brother my unknown.God bless u!!!.Yes I am olschool and have been addicted to various stuff and quitt them all.Now is this beast bupre.I am not experience about it and do not know what to expect...so tappering.Withdrawls are hard,but real battle mine is with Enemy.....that is why so many years i wear this problem,I am convienced,that this is the same problem of most of the people with addictions.The Enemy...which has a human form,but also is a spirit.I have support of my wife....going to psychiatry is only to not suffer with me watching my pains...to give her a rest....to my daughter too.In the end of the year,when i go in my 50-ies I wanna be clean.Enough is enough.With help from above man could do anything.Amen!Have a peace my brother!<3🙏☦️☮️
 
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Thank u brother my unknown.God bless u!!!.Yes I am olschool and have been addicted to various stuff and quitt them all.Now is this beast bupre.I am not experience about it and do not know what to expect...so tappering.Withdrawls are hard,bur real battle mine is with Enemy.....that is why so many years i wear this problem,I am convienced,that this is the same problem of most of the people with addictions.The Enemy...which has a human form,but also is a spirit.I have support of my wife....going to psychiatry is only to not suffer with me watching my pains...to give her a rest....to my daughter too.In the end of the year,when i go in my 50-ies I wanna be clean.Enough is enough.With help from above man could do anything.Amen!Have a peace my brother!<3🙏☦️☮️


I lived with someone who successfully kicked suboxone once. They tapered to .25 mg a day, ceased use for 3 days than switched to kratom and immodium (loperamide) well lope immediately but kratom on day 3...Stayed on those, a blood pressure medication and a benzo for two weeks.....dropped the kratom. Than the lope and benzo after about a month.

I have only two success stories of people getting off bupe and only one I can speak for first hand. God bless as it will be quite the thing to uptake. (starting with that myself but all the way up at 6mg a day). Ya know its the US so they supersize that script lol.
 
Damn, I was warned and didn't listen.
That little bupe patch yesterday wasn't such a great idea after all.
As time goes on this addiction changes the rules, last time I was fine, so i thought such a small dose of bupe doesn't do PWD, but this time it gave me horrible withdrawals from the nice stuff I'd had before it.
What an idiot.
I won't do that again.
I hate to waste it as well.

Nas you are going great, you have the persistence to keep going and you know where you want to be.
I am getting closer to the stage where perhaps I will also be able to put my will behind quitting.
I want to in theory, but it's so hard to think I'd succeed.

My cancer scan was canceled and rescheduled for 5 weeks time "due to unforseen circumstances" like they've no money, had to let most of their staff go and the government didn't forsee that might cause problems.

I got booked into another hospital soon after I got the cancelation letter this morning, but it's a hell of a lot more expensive than the state run one.
Life is expensive though isn't it?

There's no guarantee the state hospital wouldn't cancel me a few more times before I'd be seen so I'm better paying even though that one appointment will cost me six weeks of my meagre income!
 
crossfingers for ur scan.hope everything will be fine.i got ordinary tests soon-blood examines,liver enzyme-eveything was ok.....other things ,that i talk about lot are weird enough to not be understand to anyone else,except those that often stands before things that are beyond logic...and these things are seen not only by me....to say that am mad,but three of us.....even dog.i know what i am talking about.....it toke me 50 years even to begin to see through the semi open door....or may be some understand of it on strictly non intelectual...some kind inner level.....is ur problem coming from u or from outside?idk.....can talk only by myself.words are not enough sometimes......very glad to hear u:) paper,stay close and God bless u:heart3:🙏
 
Thank you Nas, you are right, people can live in different worlds, overlapping but not quite the same. I've not worked it out yet and maybe I'm mad too, more than likely in fact!
The state hospital rang me, they were waiting for me! I had my cancellation letter and they saw it was a proper headed letter from the hospital telling me it was cancelled. It should never have been cancelled and in fact it wasn't cancelled as far as the medical staff were aware. Very chaotic and an hour's drive away, but I got my scan in the end over lunch, which was very nice of the medical staff to work through lunch when it wasn't their error, it was someone working there in administration sent the letter.
I'm fantastically healthy inside! Couldn't have been a better scan because they found not a lump or bump or anything worrying and so my insides work in an unusual way, but nothing deadly :love:
Thank you my friends for your prayers xx
 
Between Nas and Papercuts, I feel lucky that I never decided to switch to bupe for my withdrawals. It sounds like it’s just hell getting off of that crap. At least with oxy, it sucks but everyone knows what to expect.

Just keep fighting and you haven’t lost.
 
Thank you Nas, you are right, people can live in different worlds, overlapping but not quite the same. I've not worked it out yet and maybe I'm mad too, more than likely in fact!
The state hospital rang me, they were waiting for me! I had my cancellation letter and they saw it was a proper headed letter from the hospital telling me it was cancelled. It should never have been cancelled and in fact it wasn't cancelled as far as the medical staff were aware. Very chaotic and an hour's drive away, but I got my scan in the end over lunch, which was very nice of the medical staff to work through lunch when it wasn't their error, it was someone working there in administration sent the letter.
I'm fantastically healthy inside! Couldn't have been a better scan because they found not a lump or bump or anything worrying and so my insides work in an unusual way, but nothing deadly :love:
Thank you my friends for your prayers xx
Awesome!!!!!!! I’m so happy for you.

Just don’t go celebrate too much or you’ll spend the next month trying to get back to where you are now.
 
Between Nas and Papercuts, I feel lucky that I never decided to switch to bupe for my withdrawals. It sounds like it’s just hell getting off of that crap. At least with oxy, it sucks but everyone knows what to expect.

Just keep fighting and you haven’t lost.
I'm very glad I have a script for bupe, but it's not perfect by any means and I'm not touching it for now.
It makes me sweat loads and my eyesight is so bad on bupe I can't read in the evenings even with my glasses on, or maybe that's because I'm a little stoned by then 🤔it could be the combination, but bupe makes my pupils so tiny I can barely fricking see out!
I can't complain though, I'm feeling very lucky still :)
 
3.5mg bupr a day(that is max.,but it could be two times less probably)idk for sure cause this is not a pill.never tried a pill.we ain't got it......so it is down with about 2mg from a less than a month.no feel any discomfort,except one day.for same period of time-10mg diazepam down.current dose-10mg a day for same period.no discomfort at all.sleep even much better.eat a lot more.everything goes smooth.peace☮️☦️☮️
 
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shiooot Im on the bupe train too, now that I am down to 2 mg kpin on a 4mg script I am going to pause that taper and work on Bupe. 6 mgs, down from 8. I will continue to document same as with the b z o ; so habit 6 mg, let ya know when its 4.

*Edit, i forgot my original thought which was squeaky and papercuts thank you guys so much... Must have the patience of st. peter; I almost feel like it would be out of line for me to suggest ANYTHING to 'youse guys' .... I have no info that you dont but thank you for helping so many

Good job nas! You can beat this
 
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3mg bupr.daily-same shit.don"t feel any difference.as to benzo-today get an extra o.5mg-so 15mg instead of 10mg....that is just today...got angry at shit about this war....or darkness attacked me again....tell ya again...battle is on another front....the drugs are the easiest part.Gotta stop to read news for a while....even pluged off the web for a while.....too much madness around......and I feel it even in the wood.....guess is hell in da cities.
 
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shiooot Im on the bupe train too, now that I am down to 2 mg kpin on a 4mg script I am going to pause that taper and work on Bupe. 6 mgs, down from 8. I will continue to document same as with the b z o ; so habit 6 mg, let ya know when its 4.

*Edit, i forgot my original thought which was squeaky and papercuts thank you guys so much... Must have the patience of st. peter; I almost feel like it would be out of line for me to suggest ANYTHING to 'youse guys' .... I have no info that you dont but thank you for helping so many

Good job nas! You can beat this
It’s not patience that drives me forward. It’s purely stubbornness. I’m that guy who is puking into a cup while driving at work on the freeway after a hard night of drinking, just because I’m too determined to not be beaten by a hangover (actually happened once).

Good advice only comes from personal experience. It sounds like you have had plenty of that too. I’ll take all of the good advice you have to offer :)
 
Will getting off 2mg Ativan 3x away, 10mg oxycodone 3x a day and 30mg morphine sulfate er 2x a day for over 4 years be hard to taper off?
Yes. The Ativan can be fatal if you taper too quickly.

The oxy and morphine can be done fast if you’re willing to suffer. Fast means 4 days of sweating, nausea, diarrhea, insomnia from hell, each time you drop your dose.

Are you willing to see a Dr for help? No judgment here but if you can switch from Ativan to Valium, it’s possible to do it painlessly-ish in a year (look up ‘The Ashton Method’ for tapering benzos). I actually had a small seizure from cold turkey after 4 months on 2mg Ativan x 3 per day.

The oxy and morphine can also be done medically with suboxone. Or you can do it yourself with loperamide (Immodium), it’s an anti-diarrhea medicine that’s actually a long-acting opiate sold absolutely everywhere. Kratom helps lessen the wd’s, and it raises tolerance for other opiates significantly (so your cravings for your morning and oxy become useless).

I hate that I have become an expert on this crap, but I am. I’ll try to remember to check back in each day. I’m happy to give you the advice you’re looking for.
 
Yeah, I think easy does it when tapering off of strong meds like opioids or benzos. See how your body reacts to a minute drop, then go from there. If it's medical, then you should have all the time you need.
 
I am being absolutely serious, did you say fatal about ativan? Only 6mg per day, been on it for years, have Valium but seriously fatal?
Yes. Benzos are definitely dangerous. Ativan wd’s can kill you.

Work on the morphine/oxy first. Use the Ativan for sleep. Change up your Ativan doses so that you can take it only at night to get some rest while you’re dealing with the opiates. Morphine and oxycodone are basically the same. Morphine is is just a little weaker, but but the wd’s will be the same.

You’re in almost the exact the same situation I was in.

This will take a week or two to transition into your new plan, whatever that might be. That’s when you start getting yourself on a plan that gets you away from these drugs.

I’ll help you. I did it. I screwed it up. You will too. But don’t believe that it can happen in a few days. It took me 5 years, and there were a LOT of fuck-ups along the way. Believe me…. Ativan is your biggest problem. it’s the best friend you have while getting off morphine and oxycodone, And your biggest hurdle at the end of the race.
 
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