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the state of the uk dance scene

The UK dance scene might be fucked but the Glasgow one is alive and kicking. Techno absolutely dominates up here. Fair enough, some things have been scaled back a bit (that's just with cunts being more skint) like Pressure (used to be all of the arches open, once a month, now it's usually about half the club and it's off over the summer) but there's lots of other big one off events on (Riverside Festival the past couple years, amongst others).

Some things have been scaled back, and some new things have appeared, but they're always busy. Lots of free stuff as well. Just the past month there was a free night at SWG3 with Slam, Optimo and all the better local DJs/promoters. Plus a free street party every day of the week during the commonwealth games, mainly dominated by dance music (techno mostly).

Can't find a youtube link for that street party thing - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10154368839760618&set=vb.52559405617&type=2&theater

Plus there's shitloads of smaller nights all over the city every weekend (& most weekdays).
 
DNB and dubstep were massive around here, house and techno nights and house are doing well at the mo. trance fucked off along time ago. glitch hop nights are decent as well
 
Ive always been obssesed with electronic music since pacific state (808
) hit my walkman in the late 80's. I was 2 young to participate in the golden age of rave music but finally cut my teeth at the age of 16, i come from Wolverhampton and during the early to mid 90's it was one of the best towns for hardcore music with 2 of the best nights in the country,pandemonium and quest (where i popped my e cherry. 1996 finds me permenantly installed at the sanctuary in milton keynes, didnt miss a helter skelter for nearly 4 years with a few dreamscapes and pure x's thrown in for good measure..
Moving with the times i started getting into the superclub sounds of the millenium, from homelands to slinky, gatecrasher to cream to passion at the emporium, house trance and techno become the order of the day, living on birminghams doorstep i was like a pig in muck with my regular visits to godskitchen puctuated by the occasional atomic jam and sundissential, nights that were going off like a week old jam rag in 90 degree heat. by 2003 id started using smack to cope with the weekly pillwhizz hangovers and as i slipped into my addiction it was almost as if id burst the bubble myself, and by the time of the great piperizine pill plague it was almost game over. Between ourselves and nearby shrewsbury, we managed to keep a healthy dnb scene going and during a long clean spell i managed to co promote a sucessfull old scool night in wolverhampton for 2 years (we managed to book grooverider on his first nye after leaving prison in dubai), but of course im once again back on the smack with no regular access to decent md or whizz, dancing shoes covered in dust.

Whats brought this mornings rant on? the local press has reported that gatecrasher birmingham is to be no more, and while they never hit the heights of their sheffield parties its sad to see the last of the (now) old guard dissapear from the high street. yes i know your all going to tell me that its all about europe and free parties but i never saw the rise of the superclub and the mitsubishi revolution as a bad thing as at the time dance music ruled the uk, and in terms of youth culture the uk ruled the world. I guess the main problem is that im a hopeless smackhead hurtling towards middle age and that i should finally grow up.

Saying that tho one more good night at the old boogey woogey would go along way towards blowing away a few of the thicker cobwebs. Im just a hopeless sentimentalist at heart.

RIP uk dance scene - 1987 -20XX or whenever

Stee (with two ees as one was never enough)


Thank you so much for posting this! I love dance music and have been raving since about 2001. I agree with you on the loss of the 'big room euphoria' experience wholeheartedly. My first ever rave was Sundissential North. I remember walking in there (having never been to a hard house event before) and thinking 'fuuuck me, this music is hard!' and being mind boggled by all the sweaty gurners dressed in red and yellow fluff!! Fortunately though it didn't scare the pants off me like it did some people I know and I have been clubbing ever since. I loved the big room atmosphere back then and I used to travel up and down the country to attend them.

My favourite venue of all time was Camden Palace - I remember going to Frantic presents Chemistry there in 2003 and having my socks completely blown off when I walked through the main doors onto the balcony, looking over onto literally thousands of ravers on the dancefloor. IIRC Rob Tissera was playing K90 - Red Snapper....that is one time that the euphoria was so strong I couldn't hold back my tears..I looked at my mate (18 stone bodybuilder) and he was crying too...!

I also liked Goodgreef at Phillips Park Hall in Manchester - that was an odd (but awesome) venue. I remember the MASSIVE bed at the back of the main room with gary gurners sprawled all over it...(WTF!) RIP Phillips Park Hall.

I was also VERY sorry that the Emporium in Coalville closed down as I only ever made it there once and that was for the final Storm Fright Night before the venue closed. It baffled me as to why exactly they had to shut the Emporium because they never had a problem filling it unlike other clubs such as the Sanctuary in its later days (I was a little too young to attend the Dreamscape/ESP events like the OP - the lucky (old) bastard!) but I did go to Hardcore Heaven once or twice. RIP Emporium and Sanctuary :-(

I think it is definitely money that has killed the scene for the large part because it must be expensive to rent those places as some are listed buildings etc, clubbers don't want to pay in excess of £15 a ticket any more and many more smaller and cheaper nights have literally taken the business off the big promoters. I think the exception to the rule (in hard dance particularly) are the events run by Tidy, particularly the weekenders. They are great fun, I went to about 6 or 7 of them about 10 years ago and I plan to go to the next one in 2015 with a load of my old crew.

Insomniacz did a few events at Magna in Sheff which were good but they struggled to fill the venue. Magna is heeeyowge! and the venue were apparently dicks so many events got cancelled and they just scrapped it altogether in the end.

Sundis was my spiritual home until the GHB epidemic became so severe that clubs were being forced to cancel nights due to the pressure on the councils and 999 services. It was common to see people being carried across dancefloors by bouncers and dumped on the pavement outside. I for one am glad that little epidemic is over but it does show that drugs have also had a hand in killing the rave scene little by little.

I tend to stick to my local area when clubbing nowadays because there are so few decent big nights to choose from that are worth the bother of travelling to. I do plan to return to Camden Palace for another Frantic at some point (or Koko as it is now known - it'll always be Camden Palace to me though!) but I don't know when.

Thanks again for posting this, been on a right trip down memory lane! Goood times. Oh and you're spot on Stee - 2 are never enough ;-)
 
nah mate - did u read my op (it was abit long winded to be fair) - im from wolverhampton so that and birmngham is where i did 75% of my dancing.
@ scotch - i think they still use the place for theodd good party - im sure they had House of God there a few months back. I always used it for Afters on a Sunday morning if id been to Sundissential or a sat nite event at the que club. Amazing for a carry on and camp as fuck - the gayboys were always up for hard as fuck house and the backroom was always proper groovy. Proper sweaty dive as well you wont find many places like that now \o/

I beg to differ on the sweaty dive thing... most of the places I go now are proper sweaty little dives...Im a massive lover of grimy warehouse raves. They still stink, they've just shrank!

Also gone is the hard house/funky house trend in EVERY hard house club going. Now, they have done away with the funky house and now its just hard and harder! Come to think of it, I guess the split of styles could have contributed to the decline of events...?
 
Big room euphoria is an illusion. The only people that truly care about big room anything are the venue owners and promoters who think exactly like this...

Bigger space = larger capacity = more customers through the door = more £££. :!
 
Aye it's all good up here man. Colours still put on their big events all the time, the stuff they put on isn't my kind of music though.

Big room euphoria is an illusion. The only people that truly care about big room anything are the venue owners and promoters who think like this.

Bigger space = larger capacity = more people through the door = more £££. :!

True. Small, sweatbox club where you can punch the roof beats a big soulless room any day of the week. (that's not to say big clubs can't be good at times, just not as good)

I much prefer smaller nights. Less than 500 folk, packed into one room, makes for a much better night than a few thousand in a giant club.
 
Big room euphoria is an illusion. The only people that truly care about big room anything are the venue owners and promoters who think exactly like this...

Bigger space = larger capacity = more customers through the door = more £££. :!

Its a bloody good illusion then! You can't beat being absolutely off your chops and looking out at what looks like a sea of people with their hands in the air. Meeting countless people and getting completely lost in a maze of a venue. Love it.
 
Que Club <3....! There and Subway, my two brum favs...!

Subway is still a dive, just minus the fun people :( Had some amazing times in there, tis where I first tried ket, hoofed a big line off this guys hand ( I think he <3'd me ) thinking it was coke... holy moley 8)

My mrs always used to get proper ratty in there, being the beaut that she is, she always gets attention when out elsewhere, which I learnt from early on is best to ignore for my own sanity and just carry on enjoying myself, turn them tables though and have the boys after me, she no like... I am pretty cute and a bit of a tease though ;)

Que club - best club ever, all the little rooms, corridors etc... Bass reverberating around all the wood, silhouettes of folk dancing in the stained glass window.

I must off been there 50 times, never know where im going.. always lose my phone to :!
 
It gets boring after a while Minxy. I first stepped foot in a nightclub that specialises in playing dance music when i was 13 years old, that was 30 years ago.

When i was young i was first impressed with large scale venues and lighting systems and balconys above dancefloors looking over at what appeared to be a massive room full of people etc. That soon wanes when youve been doing it as long as me.

All the best clubs ive ever been to have been small scale partys, intimate affairs and not very well known unless your in the no.

I have no issues with promotions with large budgets who make the effort to dress up venues impressivley and do all sorts of flashy stuff, ive worked for a couple of promotions like that myself but it still doesnt touch the sides compared to a an undercround club with decent music and proper people.

Also remember small clubs and events can monitor and have much tighter control on who they do or dont let in, bigger places fall foul to this letting anyone in because they cant afford not to, and at the end of the day the people make the party just as much as the music or venue does, so being selective who you let in is very important.
 
Aye, less dickheads in smaller venues. I also got bored with the massive club thing a long time ago, I much prefer to be able to go get a drink, have a piss or a snout, and find my way back to where I was within 5 minutes instead of wandering around for hours like "Where the fuck is everyone???" (although that can be pretty fun at times).
 
My favourite club at the moment in London is a small capacity club, about 500 maximum and its a basement club underneath a cafe and next door to a newsagents on some side street. nobody would no its there unless your the target audience that the events are promoting to, and the local community in the area of course.
 
It gets boring after a while Minxy. I first stepped foot in a nightclub that specialises in playing dance music when i was 13 years old, that was 30 years ago.

When i was young i was first impressed with large scale venues and lighting systems and balconys above dancefloors looking over at what appeared to be a massive room full of people etc. That soon wanes when youve been doing it as long as me.

All the best clubs ive ever been to have been small scale partys, intimate affairs and not very well known unless your in the no.

I have no issues with promotions with large budgets who make the effort to dress up venues impressivley and do all sorts of flashy stuff, ive worked for a couple of promotions like that myself but it still doesnt touch the sides compared to a an undercround club with decent music and proper people.

Also remember small clubs and events can monitor and have much tighter control on who they do or dont let in, bigger places fall foul to this letting anyone in because they cant afford not to, and at the end of the day the people make the party just as much as the music or venue does, so being selective who you let in is very important.

I think my point pertains to the fact that for me, big raves have always had a 'special' quality (usually in more ways than one :-p) as it is something different from the smaller local nights. Different vibe, different people and you usually have to travel to get to them. (cannot beat messy coaches full of ravers). It is good because it IS a novelty to be away from your familiar 'home' club scene and like anything (except recreational drugs) if you do it often enough the novelty will wear thin.
Also, I think the older you get the less likely you are going to be to want to stay within your home crowd. I have felt this myself, sometimes it just seems too much effort and cost to venture down south for a big night out.
For yourself, working at the big nights must have added to the boredom as working in small clubs definitely makes you less likely to want to go out to them.
I think when you find yourself getting bored it is time to take a step back for a while and have a short break or move to a different scene. I did this myself some years back, just went to festivals and gigs...incidentally during that time I had a lot more holidays too...!

Nowadays the only people rubbing their hands together where money is concerned is the venue. Rarely does a small promoter make money from it and some even fail to break even so who knows what direction raving will take in the future...?
 
My favourite club is a 500 capacity basement club, everyone knows it's there though

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Minxy said:
I think my point pertains to the fact that for me, big raves have always had a 'special' quality (usually in more ways than one :-p) as it is something different from the smaller local nights. Different vibe, different people and you usually have to travel to get to them. (cannot beat messy coaches full of ravers). It is good because it IS a novelty to be away from your familiar 'home' club scene and like anything (except recreational drugs) if you do it often enough the novelty will wear thin.

I agree with that right enough.
 
Ive promoted both large and small scale parties. i dont need to take a step back from anything, clubbing is my life lol. im just telling you how it is, large promotions are geared to making more money, and ultimatley thats how large promotions think, whether you choose to believe so or not, it doesnt change that fact.
 
Aye, less dickheads in smaller venues. I also got bored with the massive club thing a long time ago, I much prefer to be able to go get a drink, have a piss or a snout, and find my way back to where I was within 5 minutes instead of wandering around for hours like "Where the fuck is everyone???" (although that can be pretty fun at times).

That is true! Seems to be the further North you get, the more scallies you see at clubs. I don't go clubbing in South Yorkshire anymore for that very reason! Doncaster Dome used to be brilliant..still full of local yokels but non as intimidating as the crowd that go to Donny Warehouse now.

My favourite club at the moment in London is a small capacity club, about 500 maximum and its a basement club underneath a cafe and next door to a newsagents on some side street. nobody would no its there unless your the target audience that the events are promoting to, and the local community in the area of course.

I think the smallest club in London I have been to was Hidden in Vauxhall but I don't think that's the one you are on about. Loved it there. :-)
 
trust me thats more glamorous than mine PTCH lol, mines just got metal shutters pulled down next to a newsagents on a small grimey road in urban london. its not pretty on the outside but the promotions and people that go our great.
 
No Hidden doesnt exist anymore and its not in south london its in east london
 
Ive always liked both as they attract me in different ways - its hard to beat the atmosphere and intensity of a small but alot of the bigroom events ive been to have been far from souless. Its not an illusion - its just another way of presenting dance music that alot of people get cynical about after they get a bit older with a couple of laps around the block under their belts.

2001 - gatecrasher - its 4am in the NEC Arena and there are 8000 people in the room, they all want to be there and at least 80& are dancing. This isnt surprising as i, along with the majority of people, are high on ecstasy, totally hypnotised by the beautifully percussive thump of Mauro Picotto, playing one of the best sets ive ever heard ever, over the best rig ive ever heard. As i strutted my stuff in pefect tandem with the hundreds of people around me, laser beams criss crossing this cavernous space i had a big room moment. Maybe that makes me shallow but its moments like that that make me love the raw power of intelligent dance music and for that 1 moment in time, thumping club techno was a national exhibition.
 
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