The Social Psychonaut

[polidelaiko]

attempted to choke a female friend
Any recommendations?

Better stay off psychedelics. IMHO.

 

[jeezits]

Anywho, you should try some 2c-I or D. You'll have a good ass time and won't have any trouble controlling yourself

This pretty much falls under the category of harm encouragement.

 

[Solipsis]

The blacking out sounds like drug-induced psychosis, I have experienced it when I took alprazolam with LSD and it was not even a really high dose of alprazolam, it was a lot of LSD though. It lasted a long time and I don't see myself as the wrong person to trip at all.

So yes these things happen, BUT they tend to happen a whole lot less if you don't take exceedingly high doses that you are not accustomed to. You already said you learned your lesson: start low with every batch, be careful.

I changed the OP to turn it into something else than a 'what should I take thread'. We don't advise what people should do and you carry your own responsibility.
But I see no harm in discussing what different effects different psychedelics have in a social setting.

Tryptamines seem much less suited for social situations unless everyone is tripping on it. Things can just get way too bizarre, while on 2C-X type drugs the effects are usually more superficial on normal doses. I find 2C-B. 2C-C, 2C-D and 2C-I okay in a social setting but not ideal. 2C-T-7 was amazing for me but I shared a few times with different good friends who took it as well. Really empathogenic.
2C-C or 2C-D would be okay, I have heard that 2C-T-21 is suited as well but I have not tried mine yet.
AMT could also be a good option, not sure, would also depend on the dose.

I find the post above mine exaggerated. Though "You should keep control of yourself [on 2C-I or 2C-D]" may be misleading since pretty much every psychedelic can make you less inhibited, socially awkward or confused or change you in a different way. You should always choose your settings carefully! Doing that and choosing your doses wisely can make it okay to trip in a social setting but lets not talk about it like it's the most normal thing in the world. Being that sort of casual about it is indeed a way to ask for trouble.

 

[vegan]

tea is what you're looking for. tea.
at 5 o'clock and at 8 switch off the lights

but if you really want to end up in jail or hospital and give drugs more bad publicity, just take datura tea

 

[vegan]

I find the post above mine exaggerated

if he tries to chocke someone on a low acid dose (you'll agree that 2 tabs are never a high dose anymore) and cannot draw conclusions by himself, i think that "Better stay off psychedelics" is a pretty good best advice

there are indeed some penguins that take the elevator

 

[Solipsis]

Tabs are not a measure of dosage by themself, so it doesn't mean anything. If you never had super potent LSD that doesn't mean that it does not exist.
Yes some people have blackouts / drug induced psychosis from things like LSD, if an amnestic drug like alprazolam in my case is part of the mix then it is more explainable. I agree though that if it is just the LSD that is an indication that you should be much more careful with psychedelics than the average person. On the other hand, LSD can be disinhibiting by itself especially at higher doses - alcohol is disinhibiting as well and you can blackout on it too. Though anterograde amnesia does not necessarily constitute dangerous behavior like the choking described. In my case though I was very coarse with people during my blackout and really acted like another person, definitely very disinhibited.
Psychedelics like 2C-T-7 for instance have a serious risk of making you delirious if you overdose. I suspect other psychedelics have this risk inherently as well, but not all equally big. Stripping your clothes and becoming a threat to yourself and others are things that can happen in such episodes. It's fucked up but it happens, and I just really don't know if that says anything about your mental stability as much as just the combination of factors that caused it. One of the factors seems to be though that you dose higher than you can handle, which makes you snap.

If a person tries psychedelics for a few times and gets this sort of blackout then I'd be very worried. If a person trips countless times and has it happen due to messing up something like a combo or the dose, then I'm not sure that means you should stay away from them indefinitely. Doesn't mean that it's a negative signal and that you might run bigger risks of some permanent consequences. Hard to predict, really.

 

[RobbyG]

This pretty much falls under the category of harm encouragement.

Stfu wanna be mod how the fuck is that harm encouragement?

 

[Solipsis]

settle down, ok?

 

[thomas2laylum]

it's cause you strangled a girl, that's why there's many negative reactions; it is a bit disturbing!

don't get me wrong, people get disgracefully aggressive on alcohol every day of the week

but generally it seems people become less aggressive on LSD, and that's why this is strange

perhaps you have some history with this girl, or perhaps you have built up frustrations, or perhaps you were stranged in the past or something idk it is impossible for me to guess from a few lines of unemotional digital text

but perhaps it is a good idea to mull over this trip a while

like polidelaiko quoted, "strange girl... what drug next?" could seem a bit deluded from the outside

 

[jeezits]

Anywho, you should try some 2c-I or D. You'll have a good ass time and won't have any trouble controlling yourself

Wording it how you did makes it read like a personal guarantee, and is therefore reckless advice to give to ANY person regarding ANY psychedelic. However, your advice is especially bad given the details of this particular situation.

No disrespect intended, but you did ask me to explain myself, so there ya go.

 

[QuasiModo]

Well there are a few strange things about this girl, she once told me I could fuck her in the ass but never went through with it. That and the glasses she was wearing that night are what I attribute the choking "gestures" to, I never actually closed her breathing tubes nor used the force necessary to cause any harm.... Once my best friend who knew how out there I was that night saw what I was doing he immediately kicked me off of her and I moved onto the next thing which seemed to be obstructing the pathway between a couch and a car that was parked in the garage. I in no way take these actions lightly, the next day I felt terrible. I have zero recollection of my arms around her I just remember our faces being very close together.

So yea that's the last explanation I'm gonna give, high powered gel tab LSD and a hot girl who won't let me fuck may lead to frustration that normally wouldnt be acted upon in my case. I'll be sure not to trip around this particular tease.

About 2c-t-7 can someone give me a ratio as to the empathogenic:hallucinatory effects? I honestly just want the LSD euphoria without the wildcard that is dosage on tabs....

 

[artic]

Haha, that's funny. Sounds like everyone is freaking out more than necessary. I've seen people bug out and attack on psychs before. Just make sure you are hanging out with people capable of physically subduing you if you are worried about it. I heard about some MMA fighter who beat his friend to death on shrooms because he thought he was possessed or some shit. Its definitely one of the dangers of using psychs, but one that is easily avoided by being aware of set and setting before hand.

Man, I'd suggest you just don't trip around other people, since it doesn't seem to be your thing. Personally, if I want to take a drug socially I stick to weed and booze most of the time. I like to trip alone or with people who I am very comfortable with. I've seen people doing K at parties who seemed to be having fun, but never indulged, myself. It always seemed like kind of a sketchy drug to me. As far as 2c-x go, I've tried -i and -e, and either one would probably be okay, but I'm not sure about them being any more predictable or social than L. I kind think you'd have the same problems on any psychedelic.

 

[QuasiModo]

Nah I've tripped before around friends, mind manifesting under the influence of psychedelic drugs in the presence of others is something I will continue to explore. I hate hate HATE tripping alone, guess that has more to do with me not enjoying long periods of solitude than anything. The same thing happens to me tripping alone as would me isolating myself for a month straight, I become depressive and turn on myself.... Tripped L alone once, will never take a psychedelic without a friend again. I mean maybe much later in life when I have rationalized the absurdity of existence itself, not now though. Now is the time when I want to experience the most confidence I can possibly manifest in my self and explore the freedom of my youth fully, taking psychedelics with others is a sacrament to that freedom and that God who guides my steps.

 

[artic]

I suppose I'd just recommend tripping only around people who you

A: are very comfortable with.

and

B: can not easily physically dominate.

Good luck, happy tripp'n!

 

[frusty noggets]

B: can not easily physically dominate.

lol'ed when i read this

never realized how true it is though

 

[yardbirdrc]

i apologize because i haven't taken the time to read through this whole thread, so maybe some or all of this was said before. why not try switching to the more empathogenic substances? there's MDMA and bk-MDMA of course, but there are also plenty of psychedelics that share some of this empathy and joviality while providing the altered thought processes that we love so much. 2c-b namely, if you can find it. also 2c-c is quite nice and mellow, and 2c-i(ck) for some people although personally i find that shit vile. maybe even 2c-d, but the rest of the alkylated 2c's are kind of deep and less "fun". what about AMT? or 5-MeO-DiPT or 5-MeO-MiPT? also maybe just learn to take more manageable doses if you know you're going to be around people. i find low dose LSD to be extremely social. if you're looking to go full-on just do so by yourself, or with a trusted sitter, and focus your attention on meditation or accomplishing whatever it is you seek to accomplish in those far-off lands.

 

[Big)Sky]

Sounds like you got dirty L or some dirty research chemical.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

i believe there are hits around in this day and age which are capable of incapacitating a seasoned tripper on 2.....the choking, lol, more of a unique situation, i'd have to day i haven't eaten acid that 2 of them makes me start choking people. <just poking fun though, no rubbing in intended.

i can see the possibility of one who is 'generally suited and capable of enjoying psychedelic experiences without psychotic reactions' having a freak out, wherein they apply themselves in a situation completely incorrectly. i'm not going to say 'go take more psychedelics', but i can have sympathy for accidental freakouts, i think crazy shit can happen to the best of us.

i thought a guy was trying to rape me at a festival, so i punched him in the face...
and i'm the most loving peaceful guy on this side of the planet :D
trips can make us respond sporadically...
but i would suggest doing some serious meditation on the issue before reproaching psychedelics. the only violent moment i had was fairly understandable in retrospect...a sketchy back room, dirty mattress on the floor, beer bottles strewn around, and some big guy who i'd never met sitting down next to me saying 'it's gonna be ok' wtih a femenine voice as he scoots closer to me...lol, how did i get here...where am i?...who is this fucker making a pass on me....FIGHT OR FLIGHT...!!

festival security doesn't always provide the most conducive surroundings for calm descents from high states...lol, and all i was doing to get dragged off to 'the cabin' was preaching to a large crowd of people about saving the earth...'making a scene' they called it :D ah the memories

 

[vegan]

Tabs are not a measure of dosage by themself, so it doesn't mean anything. If you never had super potent LSD that doesn't mean that it does not exist.

i'm the first one to say that no one knows how much lsd they are taking in "a dose'
and i won't pretend to know how much lsd can technically be held on a tab already full of paper
but people who claim being close to their sources never talk about much more than 400mg by tab. and that's not common anymore

so anyway, the point is not that much the dose, which i only mentionned to remind that it was not the obvious cause of his delirium, but the fact that someone who has shown that he could be a danger to others on psychedelics should not be encouraged to take them

there are few cases of people who get dangerous, but it happens
and they don't warn you in advance
so when you get a hint, better heed it

no need to put innocents in a coffin and drugs in the media again

 

[RobbyG]

So yea that's the last explanation I'm gonna give, high powered gel tab LSD and a hot girl who won't let me fuck may lead to frustration that normally wouldnt be acted upon in my case. I'll be sure not to trip around this particular tease.

Justifies you chokin her!!! LOL