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Phenethylamines The Small & Handy BOD (4-methyl-2,5,beta-trimethoxyphenethylamine) Thread

I'm hosting an event today and thought a little bit of BOD might make things more interesting. I was thinking I'd taken 75mg last time so I was aiming to do the same today, but apparently I only took 50mg last time.

Oh well, I'm sure it's fine.

Edit: It was fine! Well the first two hours while I was coming up like a rocket were a challenge, trying to make finger sandwiches/small talk when I could barely see/think, but things leveled out after 2-3 hours. Still feeling slightly high at t+10 hours, my face feels weird, but the visuals have mostly trailed off.

Oh and everyone said the food was 🔥🔥🔥 I've had two people asking if I can do events for them later in the year. Might make double dosing exotic psychedelics when I've got a rammed schedule more of a regular thing as apparently it plays well for me!
 
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Very little cross tolerance caused by this one it seems.

Exhibit a) took 50mg BOD in morning. Redosed 12 hours later with 30mg and 100ug of acid. Felt full effects.

Exhibit b) took 50 mg 5 days after taking 75mg. Felt full effects.

Exhibit c) took 2 tabs of acid 27 hours after taking 50mg of BOD. Felt full effects.

Only got 30mg of this left sadly. It's been interesting but I'm not likely to miss it if I don't encounter it again.
 
@Shinji Ikari How do you like BOD in comparison to 2C-D? Is it more potent by weight? PiHKAL suggests so but your doses seem quite high too at 50 mg+. But then again it appears you go for higher doses than me anyways.
 
Very little cross tolerance caused by this one it seems.

Exhibit a) took 50mg BOD in morning. Redosed 12 hours later with 30mg and 100ug of acid. Felt full effects.

Exhibit b) took 50 mg 5 days after taking 75mg. Felt full effects.

Exhibit c) took 2 tabs of acid 27 hours after taking 50mg of BOD. Felt full effects.

Only got 30mg of this left sadly. It's been interesting but I'm not likely to miss it if I don't encounter it again.
How would you describe its interesting qualities and the applications you've found it most useful for? Also I've found allylescaline, DMT and 2C-B not to create meaningful tolerance either. I wonder why.
 
How would you describe its interesting qualities and the applications you've found it most useful for? Also I've found allylescaline, DMT and 2C-B not to create meaningful tolerance either. I wonder why.
On its own it's a boring drug in recreational terms. There are visuals in the swirling warping sense especially at over 50mg but they aren't particularly colourful or beautiful.

It's pro-social without feeling overly entheogenic but where I think it really excels is at promoting curiosity and interest, it also feels like a solid cognitive enhancer in the same way a low dose of amphetamine might, but without any of that associated pushyness. I'm intermittently medicated for ADHD and I could actually seeing this working as an occasional alternative to elvanse maybe in the 25mg range.

Good for days out doing stuff and maybe work/study. Crap for taking at home alone. Less of a trip and more of a mild reality enhancer.

Those are my tasting notes.

Edit: not disimilar to what I said two years ago after taking it for the first and second time:

I didn’t notice much in the way of psychedelic effects but on 25mg I felt sharp as a tak and was in a great mood all day. Maybe I’ll try 5-10mg 3 days a week and see how it goes.

My conclusion is that while BOD doesn’t make for much of a trip in off itself it can be a wonderful mild reality enhancer when coupled with a day of doing, whatever, outdoors.
 
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On its own it's a boring drug in recreational terms. There are visuals in the swirling warping sense especially at over 50mg but they aren't particularly colourful or beautiful.

It's pro-social without feeling overly entheogenic but where I think it really excels is at promoting curiosity and interest, it also feels like a solid cognitive enhancer in the same way a low dose of amphetamine might, but without any of that associated pushyness. I'm intermittently medicated for ADHD and I could actually seeing this working as an occasional alternative to elvanse maybe in the 25mg range.

Good for days out doing stuff and maybe work/study. Crap for taking at home alone. Less of a trip and more of a mild reality enhancer.

Those are my tasting notes.

Edit: not disimilar to what I said two years ago after taking it for the first and second time:
I appreciate the feedback here! I was offered the opportunity to try the beta-methoxy variants of 2C-B, 2C-C, DOB and DOC recently and while they may be more interesting than the 4-methyl variants like you tried (2C-D and DOM are also pretty underwhelming it seems), I'm concerned about the lack of reports surrounding beta-methoxy-DOB/DOC. I couldn't find any BL threads surrounding BOB/BOC (Shulgin's assigned named for beta-methoxy-2C-B/2C-C), do you know of anybody (possibly yourself?) whose ever tasted these?

The beta-methoxy alpha-ethyl variants have also been presented but with how little is known about the alpha-methyl and alpha-unsubstituted versions, I think I'm going to start by trying to get to know them in order of ascending bulk on the alpha position.
 
No honestly I'm surprised to hear they've been synthed at all they're so niche but I'm delighted to hear they're out there. I too would love to see some reports. I'd be particularly interested in trying BOB myself.
They're not being synthed for market application, but among chemists and therapists looking for more therapeutically applicable psychs than what my current jursisdiction allows (LSA, psilocin, mescaline, ketamine, and some gray areas for things like allylescaline, LSD, 4-HO-DET, etc). While LSD, 2C-B and MDA are what I've found most effective for therapeutic applications in the past, this group of people and I are just on the hunt for what can help people the most with minimal body load/nausea, and preferably a time frame of less than 8 hours if possible. That's the issue with using LSD or mescaline right now, the insane time frames. LSA, psilocin and ketamine are also too prone to inducing bad trips in psychedelically naive people, so we're looking towards 2C-C variants (and possibly 4C-X's) as maybe being the best routes? They'd likely fit within the legal boundaries of where I live, but we need to see if it's even worth it first and so we're all just tasting shit to try to see what helps, if that makes sense.

Edit: 100% Of the people involved with this also do not exchange money, goods, or services for what they do, and given that the current phrasing of the law in my jurisdiction is "derived from plant based psychedelics or the structures therein", things like allylescaline, LSD, ethocin, etc are currently moving in public storefronts without interference from authorities. Nobody seems to care, spice is a much larger issue here right now. The relationship of star anise to halogenated 2,4,5-trisubstituted phens is how we've been able to sneak a lot of these in, but there's no way in hell we could legally work with alkylated 2,4,5's here without blatantly violating the law.
 
How would you describe its interesting qualities and the applications you've found it most useful for? Also I've found allylescaline, DMT and 2C-B not to create meaningful tolerance either. I wonder why.
The claim with respect to DMT's lack of tolerance build up is that it's endogenous, and it's removed rapidly and its impacts reset. Other tryptamines (and supposedly lysergamides) don't trigger this response and don't get cleared away as rapidly and have a 'capping effect' on the receptors. The psychedelic phenylethylamines seem to take a while to be removed, but the receptor reset response is still triggered (although not the NBOxs).
 
The claim with respect to DMT's lack of tolerance build up is that it's endogenous, and it's removed rapidly and its impacts reset. Other tryptamines (and supposedly lysergamides) don't trigger this response and don't get cleared away as rapidly and have a 'capping effect' on the receptors. The psychedelic phenylethylamines seem to take a while to be removed, but the receptor reset response is still triggered (although not the NBOxs).
I'm not positive DMT is endogenous, or at least if it is, monoamine oxidase likely degrades it before we can meaningfully analyze it. MAO is what 'removes' it, due to the demethylation it performs. MAO-B works well for phenethylamines, it's part of why Lophophora and Ariocarpus cacti slap so hard. I'm unsure as to what this 'capping effect' is that you're referring to, but I'd love to know more if you can shoot me some sources, I'm always down to learn more about these things.
 
I must admit, I'm intrigued by BOD. I found 2C-D's emotional coldness to put me off a bit, although I also think it deserves more than the indistinct "tofu" label. BOD sounds like it has a more sociable flavour to it, which attracts me.
 
I must admit, I'm intrigued by BOD. I found 2C-D's emotional coldness to put me off a bit, although I also think it deserves more than the indistinct "tofu" label. BOD sounds like it has a more sociable flavour to it, which attracts me.
I've never tasted 2C-D, but have done quite a bit of DOM, up to 25-30mg doses in the past. The 4-methyl 2,4,5-Trisubstituted phenethylamines overall are kind of boring, but I'm not sure that I'd call them cold, as much as present. Almost jarringly so. They're like adding salt and pepper to food, an ambiguous enhancement that's almost jarringly lacking identifiable character while still enhancing the quality of the experience. The way that LSD can remind you that nothing matters more than what is right here right now, DOM can as well, but without presenting its own character, it simply delivers the message without a very noticeable messenger if that makes sense.

I apologize if I'm writing poorly right now, I decided to test if DOB forms tolerance to itself (it doesn't), and I'm now dealing with the consequences of my hubris. If you're interested in sociable phenethyalmines, you should read the Shulgins' writings surrounding MEM, you could arguably call it DO-EtO in a way, it's 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-Ethoxyamphetamine. It wasn't very dose efficient, required tens of milligrams iirc, but it seems like a slept on gem as far as 4-alkylated 2,4,5-Phens go. I think most of Sasha's reports surrounding it were confounded with MDMA consumption as well though which confuses matters, given that since the Shulgins I'm not positive anybody's actually created MEM since.
 
DOB...!? I'm surprised you can even see for the patterns, let alone type.

I haven't had the chance to try DOM, but it's very much on the 'to do' list. But I have found 2C-D to be one of the least connecting psychedelics, a little too logical and introspective to have me sing its praises - while still regarding it highly. Its sibling 2C-C though, I adore, for some reason it hits my receptors just right. The reports for BOD sound promising to me too.

With respect to my comments about tolerance, you've caught me a bit on the hop, but I'll see if I can piece some of it together - to start with:-

Nichols, D. E. (2016). Psychedelics. Pharmacological Reviews, 68(2), 264–355. (in section III B).
 
DOB...!? I'm surprised you can even see for the patterns, let alone type.

I haven't had the chance to try DOM, but it's very much on the 'to do' list. But I have found 2C-D to be one of the least connecting psychedelics, a little too logical and introspective to have me sing its praises - while still regarding it highly. Its sibling 2C-C though, I adore, for some reason it hits my receptors just right. The reports for BOD sound promising to me too.

With respect to my comments about tolerance, you've caught me a bit on the hop, but I'll see if I can piece some of it together - to start with:-

Nichols, D. E. (2016). Psychedelics. Pharmacological Reviews, 68(2), 264–355. (in section III B).
I'm missing all but ~6' of my intestines, and I suspect that since most of your body's serotonin receptors are in your gut, I'm probably short quite a few. I was a daily user of ayahuasca for a while, I've tripped essentially every time my tolerance is down since I first met psychedelics, they've been an invaluable tool to me and have led to, as my medical team put it, 'unexplainable recovery' of brain damage. As far as DOx compounds go, I've used DOB and DOM (still sitting on some DOC for now), but DOB is much more interesting. I've never had what would even remotely be considered a "bad trip", I don't really think they exist honestly, it's just people trying to swim upstream when they should instead be floating with the river enjoying the view, if that makes sense. DOB nor DOM really have stunning visuals though compared to allylescaline, miprocin, LSD, 2C-B, mescaline, DMT, 25C-NBOMe, 25I-NBOMe, or 25B-NBOH imo.

For people who are trying to sci-hub the source that was mentioned above by Nichols, the doi is 10.1124/pr.115.011478.

It makes an interesting point that receptor downregulation is observed in rat brains with DOB, and while I don't doubt that administering DOB every day for a week would maybe begin to form a tolerance, I've used LSD two days after administering LSD and felt literally nothing. 1.5mg of DOB today somehow felt stronger than the 2.25mg I took two days ago, which was pretty befuddling. I'd initially taken the tabs out of hubris, thinking "Oh, I bet it doesn't share 2C-B's weird lack of tolerance formation", but alas, I was fooled and proceeded to violently vomit three pulled pork sandwiches in my office bathroom before going home. Allylescaline, miprocin and 25C-NBOMe can be redosed while still in the trip to noticeably no loss of potency, but once you come down, the tolerance hits. With 4-substituted tryptamines and lysergamides, the tolerance seems to hit the moment you feel the drug. I've noticed it in myself and others that some of these things lack the expected cross tolerance though, 2C-B/DOB are unique in that they kind of cut through other drugs' tolerances like a knife and I can't tell why. I have daily dosed 2C-B for up to 6 weeks before, and never needed to escalate dose to maintain the same effects.

There are a handful of substitutions Shulgin stumbled upon that seem interesting and underexplored, beta-MeO, N-OH and alpha-ethyl variants especially stand out.
 
I'm missing all but ~6' of my intestines, and I suspect that since most of your body's serotonin receptors are in your gut, I'm probably short quite a few. I was a daily user of ayahuasca for a while, I've tripped essentially every time my tolerance is down since I first met psychedelics, they've been an invaluable tool to me and have led to, as my medical team put it, 'unexplainable recovery' of brain damage. As far as DOx compounds go, I've used DOB and DOM (still sitting on some DOC for now), but DOB is much more interesting. I've never had what would even remotely be considered a "bad trip", I don't really think they exist honestly, it's just people trying to swim upstream when they should instead be floating with the river enjoying the view, if that makes sense. DOB nor DOM really have stunning visuals though compared to allylescaline, miprocin, LSD, 2C-B, mescaline, DMT, 25C-NBOMe, 25I-NBOMe, or 25B-NBOH imo.

For people who are trying to sci-hub the source that was mentioned above by Nichols, the doi is 10.1124/pr.115.011478.

It makes an interesting point that receptor downregulation is observed in rat brains with DOB, and while I don't doubt that administering DOB every day for a week would maybe begin to form a tolerance, I've used LSD two days after administering LSD and felt literally nothing. 1.5mg of DOB today somehow felt stronger than the 2.25mg I took two days ago, which was pretty befuddling. I'd initially taken the tabs out of hubris, thinking "Oh, I bet it doesn't share 2C-B's weird lack of tolerance formation", but alas, I was fooled and proceeded to violently vomit three pulled pork sandwiches in my office bathroom before going home. Allylescaline, miprocin and 25C-NBOMe can be redosed while still in the trip to noticeably no loss of potency, but once you come down, the tolerance hits. With 4-substituted tryptamines and lysergamides, the tolerance seems to hit the moment you feel the drug. I've noticed it in myself and others that some of these things lack the expected cross tolerance though, 2C-B/DOB are unique in that they kind of cut through other drugs' tolerances like a knife and I can't tell why. I have daily dosed 2C-B for up to 6 weeks before, and never needed to escalate dose to maintain the same effects.

There are a handful of substitutions Shulgin stumbled upon that seem interesting and underexplored, beta-MeO, N-OH and alpha-ethyl variants especially stand out.

That sounds like you've been in the wars there (possibly quite literally)... you have my sympathies.

I've only the one experience of DOB, from many years ago (it was sold as bromo-STP back then). I found it intensely visual, to the point of almost not being able to see for the patterns, but quite euphoric, if a little bit too long in duration. DOC for me was very disappointing though, which was a pity as I was hoping great things from it; orally it felt 'toxic' and not enjoyable at all, but vaping it seems to be ok, albeit not particularly interesting.

And apologies for citing a reference that's behind a paywall, that was a bit thoughtless of me.

With respect to the tolerance mechanism for psychedelics - I've tried to retread the path I followed that led me to where my present, rather muddled, thinking is at. I should emphasise that this isn't my field, and my viewpoint is about as valid as any other guy sat on a bar stool.

The 'capping' or 'lid' type model of tolerance for lsd (and by extension/implication other classical psychedelics) comes from:-

Wacker et al., Cell, 168, 377–389 e12. ( www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(16)31749-4 )

The molecular cap/lid supposedly traps the lsd (or similar) at the receptor allowing for prolonged signaling/recruitment of β-arrestins which leads to increased tolerance. There's a few follow up papers on the same theme:-

McCorvy et al., Nat Struct Mol Biol, 25, 787–796. ( www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6237183/ )

Kim et al., Cell, 182, 1574–1588 e19. ( www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31066-7 )

Cao et al., Neuron. 2022 Oct 5;110(19):3154-3167.e7. ( www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(22)00752-8 )

A recent paper on 2-Br-LSD that discusses the lack of tolerance build-up that it exhibits and the causative mechanisms behind that seems to also support this viewpoint:-

Lewis et al., 2023, Cell Reports 42, 112203. ( www.cell.com/cell-reports/pdf/S2211-1247(23)00214-0.pdf )

On the other hand there's also work that seems to suggest that β-arrestins aren't just simply molecules that produce tolerance but are actually integral to psychedelic activity itself:-

Slocum et al., J. Neurochem. 2022 Jul;162(1):24-38. ( onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jnc.15540 )

Jaster & González-Maeso. Mol. Psychiatry. 2023 Sep; 28(9):3595-3612. ( www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11078317/ )

Atiq et al. Psychopharmacology 1-26, (2024). ( link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-024-06599-5 )

Frankly, I don't quite know what to make of it now, after giving it all a bit of a re-read... And I still haven't found where I picked up the idea that the standard 2C type phenylethylamines (i.e. not the NBOxs) were less 'trapped'...

Anyway, as displacement activities go, this one's been successful, I've managed to put off doing my day job for hours.
 
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