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I found a trove of reports on butanamines. Didn't want to link to offsite forums with BLUA-prohibited material, so I reposted the reports here instead. There are a lot.
Offsite report dump below:
Haa... Butanamines. I have experimented with 4C-DOB, 4C-DOC, 4C-DOI, 4C-TMA2 and 4C-MMDA2.
4C-MMDA2: no activity up to 4 mg.
4C-TMA2: no activity up to 70 mg.
4C-DOC: 65 mg is a good dose for me, but I don't think the compound on itself is very interesting. It does have a very prominent musical character though. I name it the "cold butanamine".
4C-DOI: 60-80 mg is a good dose for me. The compound offers much insight but little "psychedelicness". Its characteristics are truly butanamistic. I once tried 100 mg, which was somewhat too high a dose, but certainly not physically struggling. It's a "neutral butanamine".
4C-DOB: very good all-round butanamine, works from 20 up to 80 mg. A good dose for me is 60 mg: it offers insight and has a general joyful character, for which I name it a "warm butanamine".
I found 4C-DOI and 4C-DOB very interesting and felt them as complementary, so I combined them: 4C-DOB/I. My first experiment involved 35 mg of each (4C-DOB/I (35/35)) and I made quite a lengthy report in my book, which I summarized as "1+1=3". From that moment, I was totally taken up by the powers of the butanamines. Later, I tried the combination as 25 mg of each salt, i.e. 4C-DOB/I (25/25).
Combinations of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOB (4C-DOC/B ) were not very succesful for me, i.e. they did not offer extra advantages over the individual butanamines. In this case, "1+1=2". I found my mental state here closer to 4C-DOC and the perception of the world seemed 4C-DOB controlled.
I once tried a combination of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOI, but this was not very interesting. I seemed to combine those things I didn't like, more a "1+1=0".
As can be expected, I also tested the Butanaministic Trinity 4C-DOC/B/I (25/25/25). I did not experience this combination as a "winner". The cold neutrality of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOI overshadow the potential of 4C-DOB. At the time of testing, I suggested 4C-DOC/B/I (20/35/20) to myself, but never studied it any further. In my opinion, the best potential remains in 4C-DOB/I.
I also combined 4C-DOB with 2C-B and escaline. The combination with escaline was a bad experience, full of frustration and anger. The combination with 2C-B is a good one, and I can truly recommend it to all. 4C-DOB (60 mg) has been combined with 10 and 15 mg 2C-B and the effects are peculiar. While your mental state is completely controled by 4C-DOB, the visual field is absolutely dominated by 2C-B. You really experience this combination as a combination: one compound doing its thing next to the other. My recommendation is to take 2C-B one hour after you took 4C-DOB. This will greatly enhance the experience as you will feel climbing for 2h. If you take the compounds simultaneously, the climb will be only 1h.
If there is a desire from the board of Russian Psychonuts, I can elaborate the experiences in more detail, but what I had to tell the Community about my experiences before I die has been written above
In general, I find the 4C-DOX very interesting, but there power should not be underestimated. After some experimentation, your mental state will change (for the better, in my opinion and in my case). You will be able to identify the butanamine state of mind and characterize it as a +1.75, not more and not less. You cannot take this substance as a party drug, unless your mental state is zombie-like, or worse, like in the ایالات متحده آمریکا
I'm also confident that 4C-DOB is a good candidate for psychotherapy. It is a very good teacher. Due to lots of malchance, I could not experiment with PEAs for almost a year. Today, the stars had alligned perfectly and again tried 4C-DOB. There actually has never been any discussion about what compound I'd take now, it just had to be 4C-DOB. So pervasive is their power...
Thanks to the people who stimulated me in researching their combinations. You know who you are.
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Ah yes combos of butanamines! :D
That is a very interesting research area, those compounds are made to be combined! :yes:
A very potent combo is 4C-DOB/4C-DON (any combo with 4C-DON i bet would be potent!)... It is good to start with 60 mg 4C-DOB then to take 4C-DON at t+2h... Beware, stay low on the 4C-DON (like 20-40 mg max) or it will last for much longer that you would like to!! Then boosters of 30 mg 4C-DOB change the mood to a more cosy, euphoric and dreamy state, but do not boost too much as it can leads to amnesia and will last 24h+!
It looks extreme but this combo was probably my best experience with butanamines! But again the worst experience i had on those compounds was too with this particular combination (but starting with 60 mg 4C-DON)! Anyway beware 4C-DON it is the most insightfull compound but maybe it is even TOO much insightfull! ;-) Personally i have chosen after alot experimenting with the 4C-DON to skip it at all or at least for 5-10 years or something...
4C-DOB it is true it is already active at 20 mg of the HBr salt and already at that dose it is a magic experience. Altough it was shown on rats to help memorisation it did not help me at that dose or at 12 mg to study my exams... but it was patented as a remotivator for geriatric people and this i can agree very much it is part of its action... antidepressant too is part of its action especially with the off baseline perma-state it induce if i take it twice a week. The musical aspect is quite profound and good doses are 40 mg for a concert (classical) or to go socialize and 60 mg for audio listening in my home. At 70 mg it is quite strong already and it is hard to meet people especially during the climbing. 80 mg is a strong climb and can be quite incapaciting and it is quite active and insightful too. The most i would take in one go is 90 mg and then it is very insightful especially if there is a particular problem to address, i only did it once as it is quite physically incapaciting... Insights of 4C-DOB are not about Gaia like on mescaline nor about things like on DOB or 2C-B but on the contrary they are very centered on the daily life of the subject and that is why it is a very insightful compound and very good for personal growth!
4C-DOC is good for painting and music/concert and watching black and white movies, but i do have to make a pure one to retry it again.... It is a good compound but not as euphoric/warm as 4C-DOB and is less energetic, better to chill out while on it.
I wonder how is Ariadne like?
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Dose: 62.5 mg of the hydrochloride salt.
[-01:15] ARIADNE is dissolved in a glass of orange juice. I’m taken over by the usual fear: is this ARIADNE or DOM? Perhaps I should try to solve this problem… Just to make sure, I dissolve the dosage in 110 mL juice and drink about 10 mL. In case it is DOM, it will nice as well. If not, I’ll drink the rest in an hour.
[00:00] The first fifteen minutes felt as if a super-DOB was taking control, but after that, nothing. I drink the rest of the glass and try to study somewhat while listening to the Firebird.
[01:00] I can clearly feel some effects. My mental condition has changed and it has become very easy to live myself into the music. Colors have become richer but distortions in the visual field remain fairly limited.
[01:30] Especially on the mental side, effects have noticeably increased the last half hour. The soft color enhancement and the mild breathing of objects form a harmonious theater for the mental +2. I’m invited by the music – first by Khachaturian and subsequently by Camille Saint-Saëns – to close my eyes and enjoy their masterpieces. Generally, this compound has a friendly character; she allows to see the beauty of the things surrounding me and shows how to enjoy them.
[02:00] I’ve smoked my pipe with – what else? – vanilla tobacco. Buzzzz… I have a funny feeling in my head and can some spot some CEVs around the corner. Sadly enough, they remain around the corner. I think it requires an additional 10 or 20 mg to get more out of it.
[03:00] The psychedelic characteristics are already fading away. ARIADNE has never reached the intensity of 4C-DOB at a similar dose. On the other hand, both compounds share the same butanamineness. My body is at +1 and my mind is hovering around +1.75, the traditional BSV (butanamine standard value). I’m looking forward to repeat the experiment with an additional 10 or 20 mg. The butanamine character is friendly, listening to music and reading are enjoyable, but studying remains as much of a punishment as it used to be.
[04:45] Reading goes easier, as my concentration remains more focused on the subject. On the other hand, I don’t have the impression that I acquire additional insight.
[06:45] Time to go watch a movie with some friends. At this time, the psychedelic effects are mostly gone. Watching “Long Weekend” was an interesting experience. I was completely absorbed by the atmosphere of the movie.
[12:45] Very tired… Time to sleep.
[20:45] I feel rather fit when waking up. There are no signs of residual activity. I seem to be completely back to baseline. I continue reading the book, but have the usual difficulties of keeping focused on the subject. Next time, let us take some more.
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ARIADNE: second encounter
Dose: 85 mg of the hydrochloride
I’m taking the compound at home. The weather is gray and wet, making it hard to believe it is Spring. Based on my previous experiment, I believe 85 mg might be a good dose for ARIADNE. There are not many ways to find out.
[00:00] I dissolve the glistering needles in some orange juice. It still is fairly easy to taste the bitterness of the salt. What would it have been without the juice… I undertake yet another trial to study my course en play music by Delius to accompany me.
[01:05] Effects have been steadily increasing for the last 5-10 minutes. The soft color enrichment builds up an interesting atmosphere, and I’m invited to enjoy the things around me. Music is very important. Playing “Sacre du printemps” and “Firebird”, I am obliged to close my eyes, turn away from the world, focus on the music, relax, and enjoy. At this moment, there are no CEVs. So far, a very enjoyable and friendly meeting.
[01:45] It seems I have reached plateau. This is a nice and clear +2, not more and certainly not less. The psychedelic characteristics are more developed as in the previous experiment, but not much. A journey to the same plateau with 4C-DOB costs at least 30 mg less. However, the atmosphere surrounding ARIADNE intrigues me. Her friendliness cannot be doubted, so the obvious question comes up to my mind: how would she combine with 4C-DOB? Both substances eradiate a certain positivity, but both do this in very different ways. Also, I would very much like to take this lady to a classical concert.
[02:45] I’m still hovering over the same plateau. There has been not much change in the intensity of the experience during the last hour. There are some CEVs around the corner, but it will require more salt to make them worthwhile. Studying is a complete failure. I like to do many things today, but not studying…
[04:30] I’m still at the nice +2 ARIADNE endowed me with. Color enhancement remains soft, studying still is impossible. Very slowly and continuously loosing my attention, wanting to do other things. The way in which I do these other things has very much improved though!
[06:30] I’m starting to leave the plateau, returning to the +1.75 BSV. I continue reading a book, but this is very difficult. It is hard to focus my attention, but on the other hand, I’m taken up more by the atmosphere of the book. Talking about contradictions… I think it would be wise to take lower doses for reading books, in order not to loose concentration on the subject.
[08:00] Time for a movie.
[12:15] Very, very tired… I go to bed and do some breathing exercises. Even though I was under the impression that most of the effects had faded away, quite some colorful CEVs pop up while I try to concentrate on my breathing rhythm as good as I can.
In general, I did not have the impression that this 20 mg extra had much more to offer. It depends on the purpose of the experiment. For musical and joyful experiences, go to the higher dose. For reading books or general antidepressant use, take the lower dosage.
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Thank you xxx for sharing with us those very interesting informations especially for Ariadne since i did not have myself the luck to try it... it looks like an interesting one IMHO.
When you are talking about the +1.75 BSV are you talking about the level you remain at after the plateau of 4C-DOB 70 mg for instance? The level where there is moodlift and color change abit of patterning sometimes and food taste good and music too but thats all? Again the same level you can get sometimes as flashback when you had taken no compounds that particular day but when you are in a continuously butanaministic state of mind period with sometime or another the insightfull flashback happening along with its pastel colour change?... Then I know very well what you mean my friend
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Suggestions for the naming of butanamine combinations
At first, I was thinking about giving combinations their own "standalone" acronym. For instance, a combination of 4C-DOB and 4C-DOI would become 4C-DOBI, while 4C-DOCI would stand for a combination of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOI. However, this may become impractical or confusing, since most of our beloved compounds have such an acronym, and 4C-DOBI may be considered a substance instead of a combination. Hence I'd propose the introduction of a slash: 4C-DOB/I. The compound with the lowest MW as the freebase will be before the slash, while the highest will be behind it. The amount taken of each compound (in mg of the hydrochloride) is added within brackets following the combination's acronym. For example:
4C-DOB/I (30/30) = 30 mg 4C-DOB.HCl + 30 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
4C-DOC/I (75/25) = 75 mg 4C-DOC.HCl + 25 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
4C-TMA2/DOI (40/45) = 40 mg 4C-TMA2 + 45 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
4C-DOM/B (30/40) = 30 mg ARIADNE.HCl + 40 mg 4C-DOB.HCl
4-DOC/B/I (20/30/40) = 20 mg 4C-DOC.HCl + 30 mg 4C-DOB.HCl + 40 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
Any suggestions or comments are welcome :friend:
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When you are talking about the +1.75 BSV are you talking about the level you remain at after the plateau of 4C-DOB 70 mg for instance? The level where there is moodlift and color change abit of patterning sometimes and food taste good and music too but thats all? Again the same level you can get sometimes as flashback when you had taken no compounds that particular day but when you are in a continuously butanaministic state of mind period with sometime or another the insightfull flashback happening along with its pastel colour change?... Then I know very well what you mean my friend
Yes, that is the place! In my experience, the butanamines are different from PEAs and amphetamines, in that the traditional experience phases are different. Normally, you'd expect 3 phases: climbing, plateau, come down. With butanamines, these are: climbing, plateau, BSV-plateau, come down. You can remain at the BSV-plateau for many hours, and in my experience - just as in yours - you can sometimes go to that state spontaneously even without taking the substance.
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4C-DOB: meeting with a teacher
dose: 60 mg of the hydrochloride
(11h00) 60 mg of the hydrochloride salt is dissolved in water; I drink 1/3rd just before lunch.
(11h45) Central effects are starting to become clear and have stimulating characteristics.
(12h10) Effects are becoming stronger and stronger more rapidly now. I reached the +1.75 BSV, at which point everything is somewhat different from abnormal.
(12h30) I drink the rest of the solution and go for a walk in the woods. When I arrive in the forest (about half an hour later), 4C-DOB is starting to take over and nails my mental condition at +2.5; on the other hand, my mental state is not doing well: I’m feeling very confused and feel unable to let go the daily sorrows that imprison my mind for so long a time now. I’m worried about what Lady Fortuna has to offer me, both in the near and the far future, and the distress caused by Fortuna Mala refuses to leave. It’s a downward spiral of the perpetuum mobile kind which I tried to break through several times, but I never fully succeeded in my efforts. Initially, the 4C-DOB experience is heading the wrong way. Mental activity increases, but is applied to strengthen the flux of depressing thoughts in my mind. It was sickening me: I wasn’t in control of my own mind anymore. I was fed up and stopped at an open space in the woods, looked out in front of me and asked myself why this was all happening to me, why all these depressing ideas. After a moment of mental silence, a voice came up and asked me: “The place looks nice here, don’t you think?” “Yes”, I replied, and continued walking. This must have been the mental escape I needed, since I was able to concentrate on different, much more joyful questions.
The mental flux of ideas certainly was increased and I felt a certain inner relaxation. OEVs were rather strong for 4C-DOB: only mild color enhancement, but objects were taking quite a deep breath! Nevertheless, I still felt controlled by confusion. Somehow, I had expected different things from this experiment. Before I started the experiment, I had hoped that everything would be much better, but during the experience, I’m thought a good but hard lesson: 4C-DOB doesn’t solve problems. It’s the person who solves the problems. The compound is a hard but merciful teacher: she tells you your mistakes rather directly, but smiles at you and becomes your best friend if you promise to do something about it. Also here, I have been thought a good and valuable lesson I already should have known: the substances don’t solve problems, the people have to do it themselves. This general wisdom is known to most people, but to realize its meaning, I guess one has to wrestle himself through the illusion I guess.
After this lesson, the experience proceeded in a much more relaxed way. I accepted reality for what it was. I could enjoy the surroundings, but most importantly, I could release my continuously ongoing metal processes unguarded without having to fear they would get stuck in a downward spiral of depressing ideas. I felt free and liberated, relaxed instead of tense, and can say that for the first time since long, I also felt genuinely happy. It was a marvelous idea to take 4C-DOB today.
(17h30) Back home and time to eat. Effects are decreasing somewhat.
(18h30) I go out for some jogging. Very easy, very relaxing. After my shower, I start reading “One-dimensional man” by Herbert Marcuse. This is not as easy as it sounds. My attention is everywhere but with the book. Not much of a surprise, since concentration with 4C-DOB can be a problem.
(24h00) Time for sleep. Effects are still present; I’m camping on the +1.75 BSV. But I’m starting to feel somewhat lazy, and the week is calling me. It takes about an hour to fall asleep, which some mild but well-characterized CEVs.
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What can I say... I'll add this: the number of instances in which I end up in a downward mental sprial of depressing thoughts has been drastically reduced this week. And every time they occured, the problem was addressed and dealt with promptly. These problems were taking over for more than half a year now. Costs: 60 mg of 4C-DOB and one afternoon feeling very uncomfortable about yourself. Who know a drug from our industrial society that scores better?
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I personally often use the 1,4-BD of GBL at the end of most of my butanamines trips. For instance if i take 4C-DOB at 19h i take the solvent at 1 am often. The effect at that moment is that it completelly wash away the beautifull +1.75 BSV along with the insightful idea and i become quite stupid and stupefied. Some nitrous at that moment is interesting as the music is still enhanced. The damn solvent (especially 1,4-BD) is like a sledgehammer hit on consciousness. Personally i would feel ashame of myself to consider taking it during the plateau (say before the fifth or sixth hour). The problem with 4C-DOB is as it is so much insightfull and pleasant it is hard to go to sleep hence the utility of the stupor. I have no experience for 5-meo-dipt hence i cant comment on that combination. For me the GBL and especially the butadiol are antipsychedelic and anti-insight drugs.
4C-DON is the most potent butanamine I have tried. It is the longest lasting one. It is the most visual. It is very intense and can be overwhelming. It is very insightful - probably more than 4C-DOB even. It is not forgiving. For instance, quoting xxx :
(...)I was fed up and stopped at an open space in the woods, looked out in front of me and asked myself why this was all happening to me, why all these depressing ideas. After a moment of mental silence, a voice came up and asked me: “The place looks nice here, don’t you think?” “Yes”, I replied, and continued walking. This must have been the mental escape I needed, since I was able to concentrate on different, much more joyful questions.(...)
That comment on 4C-DOB would probably not have been on 4C-DON as if you are in such a situation on the nitro compound (especially on high dosage) there would be no escape and you would have to face the adressed problems.
Again this :
Offsite report dump below:
Haa... Butanamines. I have experimented with 4C-DOB, 4C-DOC, 4C-DOI, 4C-TMA2 and 4C-MMDA2.
4C-MMDA2: no activity up to 4 mg.
4C-TMA2: no activity up to 70 mg.
4C-DOC: 65 mg is a good dose for me, but I don't think the compound on itself is very interesting. It does have a very prominent musical character though. I name it the "cold butanamine".
4C-DOI: 60-80 mg is a good dose for me. The compound offers much insight but little "psychedelicness". Its characteristics are truly butanamistic. I once tried 100 mg, which was somewhat too high a dose, but certainly not physically struggling. It's a "neutral butanamine".
4C-DOB: very good all-round butanamine, works from 20 up to 80 mg. A good dose for me is 60 mg: it offers insight and has a general joyful character, for which I name it a "warm butanamine".
I found 4C-DOI and 4C-DOB very interesting and felt them as complementary, so I combined them: 4C-DOB/I. My first experiment involved 35 mg of each (4C-DOB/I (35/35)) and I made quite a lengthy report in my book, which I summarized as "1+1=3". From that moment, I was totally taken up by the powers of the butanamines. Later, I tried the combination as 25 mg of each salt, i.e. 4C-DOB/I (25/25).
Combinations of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOB (4C-DOC/B ) were not very succesful for me, i.e. they did not offer extra advantages over the individual butanamines. In this case, "1+1=2". I found my mental state here closer to 4C-DOC and the perception of the world seemed 4C-DOB controlled.
I once tried a combination of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOI, but this was not very interesting. I seemed to combine those things I didn't like, more a "1+1=0".
As can be expected, I also tested the Butanaministic Trinity 4C-DOC/B/I (25/25/25). I did not experience this combination as a "winner". The cold neutrality of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOI overshadow the potential of 4C-DOB. At the time of testing, I suggested 4C-DOC/B/I (20/35/20) to myself, but never studied it any further. In my opinion, the best potential remains in 4C-DOB/I.
I also combined 4C-DOB with 2C-B and escaline. The combination with escaline was a bad experience, full of frustration and anger. The combination with 2C-B is a good one, and I can truly recommend it to all. 4C-DOB (60 mg) has been combined with 10 and 15 mg 2C-B and the effects are peculiar. While your mental state is completely controled by 4C-DOB, the visual field is absolutely dominated by 2C-B. You really experience this combination as a combination: one compound doing its thing next to the other. My recommendation is to take 2C-B one hour after you took 4C-DOB. This will greatly enhance the experience as you will feel climbing for 2h. If you take the compounds simultaneously, the climb will be only 1h.
If there is a desire from the board of Russian Psychonuts, I can elaborate the experiences in more detail, but what I had to tell the Community about my experiences before I die has been written above
In general, I find the 4C-DOX very interesting, but there power should not be underestimated. After some experimentation, your mental state will change (for the better, in my opinion and in my case). You will be able to identify the butanamine state of mind and characterize it as a +1.75, not more and not less. You cannot take this substance as a party drug, unless your mental state is zombie-like, or worse, like in the ایالات متحده آمریکاI'm also confident that 4C-DOB is a good candidate for psychotherapy. It is a very good teacher. Due to lots of malchance, I could not experiment with PEAs for almost a year. Today, the stars had alligned perfectly and again tried 4C-DOB. There actually has never been any discussion about what compound I'd take now, it just had to be 4C-DOB. So pervasive is their power...
Thanks to the people who stimulated me in researching their combinations. You know who you are.
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Ah yes combos of butanamines! :D
That is a very interesting research area, those compounds are made to be combined! :yes:
A very potent combo is 4C-DOB/4C-DON (any combo with 4C-DON i bet would be potent!)... It is good to start with 60 mg 4C-DOB then to take 4C-DON at t+2h... Beware, stay low on the 4C-DON (like 20-40 mg max) or it will last for much longer that you would like to!! Then boosters of 30 mg 4C-DOB change the mood to a more cosy, euphoric and dreamy state, but do not boost too much as it can leads to amnesia and will last 24h+!
It looks extreme but this combo was probably my best experience with butanamines! But again the worst experience i had on those compounds was too with this particular combination (but starting with 60 mg 4C-DON)! Anyway beware 4C-DON it is the most insightfull compound but maybe it is even TOO much insightfull! ;-) Personally i have chosen after alot experimenting with the 4C-DON to skip it at all or at least for 5-10 years or something...
4C-DOB it is true it is already active at 20 mg of the HBr salt and already at that dose it is a magic experience. Altough it was shown on rats to help memorisation it did not help me at that dose or at 12 mg to study my exams... but it was patented as a remotivator for geriatric people and this i can agree very much it is part of its action... antidepressant too is part of its action especially with the off baseline perma-state it induce if i take it twice a week. The musical aspect is quite profound and good doses are 40 mg for a concert (classical) or to go socialize and 60 mg for audio listening in my home. At 70 mg it is quite strong already and it is hard to meet people especially during the climbing. 80 mg is a strong climb and can be quite incapaciting and it is quite active and insightful too. The most i would take in one go is 90 mg and then it is very insightful especially if there is a particular problem to address, i only did it once as it is quite physically incapaciting... Insights of 4C-DOB are not about Gaia like on mescaline nor about things like on DOB or 2C-B but on the contrary they are very centered on the daily life of the subject and that is why it is a very insightful compound and very good for personal growth!
4C-DOC is good for painting and music/concert and watching black and white movies, but i do have to make a pure one to retry it again.... It is a good compound but not as euphoric/warm as 4C-DOB and is less energetic, better to chill out while on it.
I wonder how is Ariadne like?
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Dose: 62.5 mg of the hydrochloride salt.
[-01:15] ARIADNE is dissolved in a glass of orange juice. I’m taken over by the usual fear: is this ARIADNE or DOM? Perhaps I should try to solve this problem… Just to make sure, I dissolve the dosage in 110 mL juice and drink about 10 mL. In case it is DOM, it will nice as well. If not, I’ll drink the rest in an hour.
[00:00] The first fifteen minutes felt as if a super-DOB was taking control, but after that, nothing. I drink the rest of the glass and try to study somewhat while listening to the Firebird.
[01:00] I can clearly feel some effects. My mental condition has changed and it has become very easy to live myself into the music. Colors have become richer but distortions in the visual field remain fairly limited.
[01:30] Especially on the mental side, effects have noticeably increased the last half hour. The soft color enhancement and the mild breathing of objects form a harmonious theater for the mental +2. I’m invited by the music – first by Khachaturian and subsequently by Camille Saint-Saëns – to close my eyes and enjoy their masterpieces. Generally, this compound has a friendly character; she allows to see the beauty of the things surrounding me and shows how to enjoy them.
[02:00] I’ve smoked my pipe with – what else? – vanilla tobacco. Buzzzz… I have a funny feeling in my head and can some spot some CEVs around the corner. Sadly enough, they remain around the corner. I think it requires an additional 10 or 20 mg to get more out of it.
[03:00] The psychedelic characteristics are already fading away. ARIADNE has never reached the intensity of 4C-DOB at a similar dose. On the other hand, both compounds share the same butanamineness. My body is at +1 and my mind is hovering around +1.75, the traditional BSV (butanamine standard value). I’m looking forward to repeat the experiment with an additional 10 or 20 mg. The butanamine character is friendly, listening to music and reading are enjoyable, but studying remains as much of a punishment as it used to be.
[04:45] Reading goes easier, as my concentration remains more focused on the subject. On the other hand, I don’t have the impression that I acquire additional insight.
[06:45] Time to go watch a movie with some friends. At this time, the psychedelic effects are mostly gone. Watching “Long Weekend” was an interesting experience. I was completely absorbed by the atmosphere of the movie.
[12:45] Very tired… Time to sleep.
[20:45] I feel rather fit when waking up. There are no signs of residual activity. I seem to be completely back to baseline. I continue reading the book, but have the usual difficulties of keeping focused on the subject. Next time, let us take some more.
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ARIADNE: second encounter
Dose: 85 mg of the hydrochloride
I’m taking the compound at home. The weather is gray and wet, making it hard to believe it is Spring. Based on my previous experiment, I believe 85 mg might be a good dose for ARIADNE. There are not many ways to find out.
[00:00] I dissolve the glistering needles in some orange juice. It still is fairly easy to taste the bitterness of the salt. What would it have been without the juice… I undertake yet another trial to study my course en play music by Delius to accompany me.
[01:05] Effects have been steadily increasing for the last 5-10 minutes. The soft color enrichment builds up an interesting atmosphere, and I’m invited to enjoy the things around me. Music is very important. Playing “Sacre du printemps” and “Firebird”, I am obliged to close my eyes, turn away from the world, focus on the music, relax, and enjoy. At this moment, there are no CEVs. So far, a very enjoyable and friendly meeting.
[01:45] It seems I have reached plateau. This is a nice and clear +2, not more and certainly not less. The psychedelic characteristics are more developed as in the previous experiment, but not much. A journey to the same plateau with 4C-DOB costs at least 30 mg less. However, the atmosphere surrounding ARIADNE intrigues me. Her friendliness cannot be doubted, so the obvious question comes up to my mind: how would she combine with 4C-DOB? Both substances eradiate a certain positivity, but both do this in very different ways. Also, I would very much like to take this lady to a classical concert.
[02:45] I’m still hovering over the same plateau. There has been not much change in the intensity of the experience during the last hour. There are some CEVs around the corner, but it will require more salt to make them worthwhile. Studying is a complete failure. I like to do many things today, but not studying…
[04:30] I’m still at the nice +2 ARIADNE endowed me with. Color enhancement remains soft, studying still is impossible. Very slowly and continuously loosing my attention, wanting to do other things. The way in which I do these other things has very much improved though!
[06:30] I’m starting to leave the plateau, returning to the +1.75 BSV. I continue reading a book, but this is very difficult. It is hard to focus my attention, but on the other hand, I’m taken up more by the atmosphere of the book. Talking about contradictions… I think it would be wise to take lower doses for reading books, in order not to loose concentration on the subject.
[08:00] Time for a movie.
[12:15] Very, very tired… I go to bed and do some breathing exercises. Even though I was under the impression that most of the effects had faded away, quite some colorful CEVs pop up while I try to concentrate on my breathing rhythm as good as I can.
In general, I did not have the impression that this 20 mg extra had much more to offer. It depends on the purpose of the experiment. For musical and joyful experiences, go to the higher dose. For reading books or general antidepressant use, take the lower dosage.
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Thank you xxx for sharing with us those very interesting informations especially for Ariadne since i did not have myself the luck to try it... it looks like an interesting one IMHO.
When you are talking about the +1.75 BSV are you talking about the level you remain at after the plateau of 4C-DOB 70 mg for instance? The level where there is moodlift and color change abit of patterning sometimes and food taste good and music too but thats all? Again the same level you can get sometimes as flashback when you had taken no compounds that particular day but when you are in a continuously butanaministic state of mind period with sometime or another the insightfull flashback happening along with its pastel colour change?... Then I know very well what you mean my friend
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Suggestions for the naming of butanamine combinations
At first, I was thinking about giving combinations their own "standalone" acronym. For instance, a combination of 4C-DOB and 4C-DOI would become 4C-DOBI, while 4C-DOCI would stand for a combination of 4C-DOC and 4C-DOI. However, this may become impractical or confusing, since most of our beloved compounds have such an acronym, and 4C-DOBI may be considered a substance instead of a combination. Hence I'd propose the introduction of a slash: 4C-DOB/I. The compound with the lowest MW as the freebase will be before the slash, while the highest will be behind it. The amount taken of each compound (in mg of the hydrochloride) is added within brackets following the combination's acronym. For example:
4C-DOB/I (30/30) = 30 mg 4C-DOB.HCl + 30 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
4C-DOC/I (75/25) = 75 mg 4C-DOC.HCl + 25 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
4C-TMA2/DOI (40/45) = 40 mg 4C-TMA2 + 45 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
4C-DOM/B (30/40) = 30 mg ARIADNE.HCl + 40 mg 4C-DOB.HCl
4-DOC/B/I (20/30/40) = 20 mg 4C-DOC.HCl + 30 mg 4C-DOB.HCl + 40 mg 4C-DOI.HCl
Any suggestions or comments are welcome :friend:
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When you are talking about the +1.75 BSV are you talking about the level you remain at after the plateau of 4C-DOB 70 mg for instance? The level where there is moodlift and color change abit of patterning sometimes and food taste good and music too but thats all? Again the same level you can get sometimes as flashback when you had taken no compounds that particular day but when you are in a continuously butanaministic state of mind period with sometime or another the insightfull flashback happening along with its pastel colour change?... Then I know very well what you mean my friend
Yes, that is the place! In my experience, the butanamines are different from PEAs and amphetamines, in that the traditional experience phases are different. Normally, you'd expect 3 phases: climbing, plateau, come down. With butanamines, these are: climbing, plateau, BSV-plateau, come down. You can remain at the BSV-plateau for many hours, and in my experience - just as in yours - you can sometimes go to that state spontaneously even without taking the substance.
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4C-DOB: meeting with a teacher
dose: 60 mg of the hydrochloride
(11h00) 60 mg of the hydrochloride salt is dissolved in water; I drink 1/3rd just before lunch.
(11h45) Central effects are starting to become clear and have stimulating characteristics.
(12h10) Effects are becoming stronger and stronger more rapidly now. I reached the +1.75 BSV, at which point everything is somewhat different from abnormal.
(12h30) I drink the rest of the solution and go for a walk in the woods. When I arrive in the forest (about half an hour later), 4C-DOB is starting to take over and nails my mental condition at +2.5; on the other hand, my mental state is not doing well: I’m feeling very confused and feel unable to let go the daily sorrows that imprison my mind for so long a time now. I’m worried about what Lady Fortuna has to offer me, both in the near and the far future, and the distress caused by Fortuna Mala refuses to leave. It’s a downward spiral of the perpetuum mobile kind which I tried to break through several times, but I never fully succeeded in my efforts. Initially, the 4C-DOB experience is heading the wrong way. Mental activity increases, but is applied to strengthen the flux of depressing thoughts in my mind. It was sickening me: I wasn’t in control of my own mind anymore. I was fed up and stopped at an open space in the woods, looked out in front of me and asked myself why this was all happening to me, why all these depressing ideas. After a moment of mental silence, a voice came up and asked me: “The place looks nice here, don’t you think?” “Yes”, I replied, and continued walking. This must have been the mental escape I needed, since I was able to concentrate on different, much more joyful questions.
The mental flux of ideas certainly was increased and I felt a certain inner relaxation. OEVs were rather strong for 4C-DOB: only mild color enhancement, but objects were taking quite a deep breath! Nevertheless, I still felt controlled by confusion. Somehow, I had expected different things from this experiment. Before I started the experiment, I had hoped that everything would be much better, but during the experience, I’m thought a good but hard lesson: 4C-DOB doesn’t solve problems. It’s the person who solves the problems. The compound is a hard but merciful teacher: she tells you your mistakes rather directly, but smiles at you and becomes your best friend if you promise to do something about it. Also here, I have been thought a good and valuable lesson I already should have known: the substances don’t solve problems, the people have to do it themselves. This general wisdom is known to most people, but to realize its meaning, I guess one has to wrestle himself through the illusion I guess.
After this lesson, the experience proceeded in a much more relaxed way. I accepted reality for what it was. I could enjoy the surroundings, but most importantly, I could release my continuously ongoing metal processes unguarded without having to fear they would get stuck in a downward spiral of depressing ideas. I felt free and liberated, relaxed instead of tense, and can say that for the first time since long, I also felt genuinely happy. It was a marvelous idea to take 4C-DOB today.
(17h30) Back home and time to eat. Effects are decreasing somewhat.
(18h30) I go out for some jogging. Very easy, very relaxing. After my shower, I start reading “One-dimensional man” by Herbert Marcuse. This is not as easy as it sounds. My attention is everywhere but with the book. Not much of a surprise, since concentration with 4C-DOB can be a problem.
(24h00) Time for sleep. Effects are still present; I’m camping on the +1.75 BSV. But I’m starting to feel somewhat lazy, and the week is calling me. It takes about an hour to fall asleep, which some mild but well-characterized CEVs.
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What can I say... I'll add this: the number of instances in which I end up in a downward mental sprial of depressing thoughts has been drastically reduced this week. And every time they occured, the problem was addressed and dealt with promptly. These problems were taking over for more than half a year now. Costs: 60 mg of 4C-DOB and one afternoon feeling very uncomfortable about yourself. Who know a drug from our industrial society that scores better?
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I personally often use the 1,4-BD of GBL at the end of most of my butanamines trips. For instance if i take 4C-DOB at 19h i take the solvent at 1 am often. The effect at that moment is that it completelly wash away the beautifull +1.75 BSV along with the insightful idea and i become quite stupid and stupefied. Some nitrous at that moment is interesting as the music is still enhanced. The damn solvent (especially 1,4-BD) is like a sledgehammer hit on consciousness. Personally i would feel ashame of myself to consider taking it during the plateau (say before the fifth or sixth hour). The problem with 4C-DOB is as it is so much insightfull and pleasant it is hard to go to sleep hence the utility of the stupor. I have no experience for 5-meo-dipt hence i cant comment on that combination. For me the GBL and especially the butadiol are antipsychedelic and anti-insight drugs.
4C-DON is the most potent butanamine I have tried. It is the longest lasting one. It is the most visual. It is very intense and can be overwhelming. It is very insightful - probably more than 4C-DOB even. It is not forgiving. For instance, quoting xxx :
(...)I was fed up and stopped at an open space in the woods, looked out in front of me and asked myself why this was all happening to me, why all these depressing ideas. After a moment of mental silence, a voice came up and asked me: “The place looks nice here, don’t you think?” “Yes”, I replied, and continued walking. This must have been the mental escape I needed, since I was able to concentrate on different, much more joyful questions.(...)
That comment on 4C-DOB would probably not have been on 4C-DON as if you are in such a situation on the nitro compound (especially on high dosage) there would be no escape and you would have to face the adressed problems.
Again this :
The compound is a hard but merciful teacher: she tells you your mistakes rather directly, but smiles at you and becomes your best friend if you promise to do something about it.
The 4C-DOB is like that it is very true. It is gentle and 'love' you - well you love yourself and can still see your good parts as well as your bad parts. That comment cannot be said of 4C-DON : it is not merciful. It is a hard teacher and it does not forgive you - well you see only the bad parts of yourself and you do not love yourself that much at that moment.
That is why i personally chose to not try 4C-DON again altough for quite some time it was my favorite compound (back then i prefered it over 4C-DOB as i felt it more insightful). On the long run the 4C-DOB is more insightful i think as finally if i have some problem to adress i will take the 4C-DOB and not the 4C-DON and then it will help me to see a solution. With the 4C-DON i would have to change too much of my life and it would be too much straining for my psyche.
BTW if you have both compounds (which i personally recommend to try both) and which to try the aforementioned combo i had described (4C-DON/B) please take in mind that it can be a very confusing experience and a sitter would be welcome (as well as a tensiometer).
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Yes, in 20-40 mg dosage it is like this, that is true and that is an aspect of it that I enjoyed. To tidy my room on 4C-DON was very effective as I became a maniac person while on it and my perception of details was heightened. But if you take say 60-80 mg it becomes much more a self-analysis teacher like I already described and then the experience can become less pleasant too. If anyone would like to try the 4C-DON it is advisable to start low on this one on its own or in combination particularly where it is even more potent. Also I felt alot of tension (alone or in a combination once 4C-DON/B:60/30
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Again, 60mg 4C-DOI (as the hydrochloride) was taken. This was one week after a NBOM-2CC (500µg) experiment and some tolerance was noted (it felt more like 50mg 4C-DOI). The meditation experiments were quite interesting. I could reaffirm that concentration with this compound is excellent. However, this advantage seems to be also its disadvantage, at least for me. It gives the impression of a closed box system, i.e. concentration is fixed and cannot be moved. As such, techniques as Observing the Observer or feeling the flow of prana became very difficult, if not nearly impossible. I can do these techniques rather easily in saltless mindstates. But the concentration, again, was without precedence in my personal experience. I concentrated on dhyani mudra for considerable time (~1.5h with a 10min break after 1h). Several times, I felt complete retraction of all senses. However, it seemed not possible to go beyond. Not that I complain... It feels rather good to be a dot.
After the session, I somehow had the impression that energy is blocked in a specific chakra with 4C-DOI. I searched for my notes of the first experiments, five years ago, and found clues that this may be the case. 4C-DOI is an intellectualizing and analyzing compound, but there is a lack of empathy - there actually is none. Another time, I was crawling on the floor when listening classical music, with a severe and almost painful "love-feeling" in my heart. These can be indicative for blocking energy in a specific chakra, the first for Vishudda and the latter for Anahata chakra.
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I would like to report the particular combo : meditation, 4C-DOB, nitrous (N2O).
Introduction
This combo (meditation, 4C-DOB, nitrous (N2O)) is an excellent combination to go in high states of consciousness as described in Patanjali's Yoga Sutra, the cream of mysticism. A detailed description of those higher state of consciousness can be found in Taimni, I. K.: · The Science of Yoga - The yoga-sutras of Patanjali Rapidshare particularly in sutra YS I.17 and referenced there in.
All three components of the combo are necessary:
- Meditation - of the concentration type - (on the "Who I am ?" question is best) because the awareness must remain strong and somewhat introverted for the technique to work, it is sure it will not work if this meditative skill is not attained and if the mind is attached and pass from thought to thought or is wandering. Good skills in Self-Remembering practice is a must. To be able to recognise the aware state is necessary to not be lost in tought pattern while doing the nitrous.
- 4C-DOB (or a non-trippy PEA) to increase awareness and concentration skills as well as intuition and detachment. It is best to known well the compound like 4C-DOB I had taken it weekly for a year and I know it very well. The more trippy compounds are most likely to fail in this combination as one would be distracted by the visuals and the streams of thought comming out of collective unconscious.
- Nitrous oxyde (N2O) : by taking the nitrous one do pranayama (retention of breath, limb 4 of 8 of Yoga), it gives the ability to detach from the senses (Pratyahara, limb 5 of Yoga see YS II.29, II.54 and II.55) because it is a dissociative, and nitrous allow to go deep in the practice of Nirodha Parinama (YS III.9) by entering into the Laya state of the asamprajnata samadhi (YS I.18) and go quicker into higher vehicule of consciousness (it means it gives energy to skip some stages of sabija samadhi, like an elevator can go two or three floors higher in one way and not stopping at each floor, here the floors are the samprajnata samadhi state from YS I.17 p 41 namely : vitarka, vicara, ananda, asmita). Finally nitrous allow the Buddhi (which is the intellect, the highest instrument of the mind) to be removed which is otherwise I bet very difficult as to remove the intellect one cannot use the intellect ! but on nitrous one can 'forget' his intellect finally as it is washed away by nitrous with the rest of universe. But all this will only work if one at first is able to keep intact his awareness while on nitrous and to not fall into the usual 'nitrous dream' ! One as to know nitrous quite a bit to be able to stay aware while on it! It is by far the hardest thing about the combination, the proper use of nitrous. If someone lose his awareness subsequently to the nitrous intake he will fall into 'train of thougths' and 'loops of deja-vu' and in some fractal dream-world... Or he will burst into exctatic laugh while merging in a huge fractal! All this is not what is wanted in this particular technique! Altough it is fun it is of NO-Use and should be avoided by constant keeping of awareness! It is very important to NOT GO in the nitrous space and to KEEP awareness to be able to NOT GO in nitrous. This is the most difficult thing. Nitrous while on a compound will give a big surge of energy hence be prepared!
When insertion into the new meditative state is achieved, concentration is used to maintain it and here the nitrous is not there anymore (nitrous last 1 or 2 minutes at most) but meditation and the increase of concentration skill given by 4C-DOB allow the meditator to stay in that new state of samadhi for as long as he is able to maintain it (it can be ten minutes to half an hour or more maybe).
Here are two usage of this technique (NB: remember 4C-DOB is a very easy PEA but insigthfull as explicited above).
4C-DOB 64 mg 9 AM meditation and three nitrous cartridges
I take 64 mg 4C-DOB at 9 AM then go back to bed. I somewhat fell asleep till 11 AM. At that time I thought to myself climbing must be over and I wake up. It is good weather and the garden in winter looks more detailed than usual. Despite this I do not feel the compound, it is a +1 (Shulgin’s scale). I only feel abit drowsy. I think let’s meditate to boost it and wake me up. I do a meditation with a strong, powerful breath and when it is becoming too intense I calm the breath. I have prepared three N2O cartridges. To begin, I inhale the first one in two parts then wait a bit and then I take the second in two parts too and finally I take one half of the third one later, while still in meditation. It feels like 4C-DOB multiply by two the intensity of the nitrous. I acknowledge there is a perfect continuity between the effect of the meditation and the nitrous. There is no difference between meditating on 4C-DOB or meditating on 4C-DOB and nitrous it is just that I can more easily concentrate after inhalation of nitrous, depth of concentration increase. At the moment I am taking the second part of the third nitrous I pay especially attention because ‘I’ ‘feel’ that ‘it works well’. After the inhalation the intensity of the experience is increasing during 1 or 2 minutes and all my senses start to merge in synesthesia. It is like circles of light moving in a whirlpool in resonance with the tinnitus. The body perception decrease more and more completely until only the breathing and the beating of the heart remain felt. Finally those last body perceptions disappear too as well. The emotions start now to disappear too in the swirling circle by opposite pairs. This provokes a joyful pleasure and that last emotion is then surrendered too with the last desire and the last intuition. When nothing remains Consciousness has becomes an all encompassing Light that is vibrating rapidly in a sort of stroboscopic uncomplexified fractal that is full of Potential and Divine Love embrace it undivided for eternity. After maybe 5 minutes pain and pleasure comes back simultaneously. The sense of ‘I’ comes back. I cry of Joy-Sadness. The perception of breathing and heart-beating comes back at the same time than the wet and warm feeling of tears on my skin. I pass backward in the synesthesic swirling circle then I have the intuition of Love as the All Powerful and Eternal Creative Force of the Universe and I feel at peace.
This was the Asmita Samadhi, the highest of the Sabija where there is only Bindu remaining. Here the individual is still entrapped in the mind because of the Intellect that is not destroyed at that moment.
4C-DOB 84 mg 9 AM meditation and four nitrous cartridges
I take 84 mg 4C-DOB at 9 AM. I go back to bed and listen to some world music till 11.30 AM. 4C-DOB allow me to feel my chakras, I play with this it is a really good compound. I wake up and prepare myself to go in the wood at 12 AM. I take four nitrous cartridges and a zafu. I am excited it has been three months since my last 4C-DOB experience (the one above) and I am wondering if I could reach Samadhi again using the same technique. I feel no effect from 4C-DOB that would be different of my normal state. I had found a big stone next to a small rivulet two days before and I go there to meditate. I am afraid. I put my clock to ring after 30 minutes and take the first nitrous in half-lotus. The sound of water is accelerating and fractalize while becoming louder. Now I understand why Dragon Shiryu went to meditate by a waterfall ! My ego dissolve in cosmic sound of rushing water and I become a dot and during that half an hour I pass one or two ‘clouds’ while emancipating from some ego mechanism. ‘Cloud’ here refers to the Asamprajnata state between two successive planes of Sabija Samadhi, it is a dynamic Self-Remembering Nirodha meditative state without awareness of the object of meditation (YS I.17 and I.18). The clock’s alarm rings ; I put 30 minutes more and switch of legs in the meditative asana then prepare myself to take another nitrous and go back to meditation. Soon the sound of running water becomes a loud rolling waterfall noise and like a bulldozer ‘THAT’ comes. I am dissolved in a water torrent and I am making Love to Universe. Self is dissolved in what seems like a thousand arches composed of archetypes of foliage, water and rainbow and I hear a bird singing far away. The energy is so much strong that I cannot maintain meditation and I burst into ecstatic laugh. Ego resists the experience and try to turn away my attention because it is so much intense but nonetheless I finally manage to come back into meditation after this lack of concentration. After 30 minutes I am more calm but still shocked. I had not expected such a powerful experience! Now I begin to realize what it means to meditate on the four elements (water, air, fire, earth)!
I continue my walk in the wood while thinking that I have seen enough for today. I am wondering about the value of the experience as it seems that I cannot maintain it because I lack concentration. I conclude that I should try to meditate seriously three hours everyday from now on before to try it again in three months. I am constantly wondering if my Way is good or if I should not become a Buddhist monk instead. I am wondering about the value of the different Ways and I think that Buddha is very good as to be able to go there without substances. I am wondering if in this combination 4C-DOB can be replaced by any compounds such as 2C-B or LSD. Then I remember that the reasons to use 4C-DOB are both. At first as I know it by experience by weekly dosage for several months with this compound the insights and the ‘butanamistic’ (+ 1.75 BSV) state of mind becomes permanent and even on cessation of the weekly schedule it takes months to go back from the so-called HPPD to the normal or neurotic state of mind. I bet that if I start again the weekly schedule when it will become permanent again I could reach Samadhi at will by the combination with meditation. The second reason why I prefer this butanamine than formal psychedelic to use in the combo is because I do not wish to open the collective unconscious gates and burn karma in an unstabilized state of mind by living the various archetypes coming in my consciousness. It is better for this combination to have a concentrated state of mind without distraction, visuals etc… I just want to transcend reality and go to the Absolute directly without discursive thinking nor colouration of experience hence without tripping. Seriously 4C-DOB only increase the strength of intuition and concentration…
So I was wondering if I should not become a Buddhist monk and practice vipassana during whole days to go to the same state. It is now 3.30 PM, I am in a beautiful open space in the wood and I decide to meditate again. I prepare myself, sit on the zafu and I inhale the third cartridge while not expecting anything as I do not feel 4C-DOB at all anymore. A royal calm invade myself and all the doubts about the Way I follow vanish while I see that once again I had fallen under the domination of ego (now transcended). The sun is shining the wind is blowing softly the birds are singing I have no body anymore or sometimes only feel my heart beating and the breathing, all is very well, dot consciousness (Ananda Samadhi). Thirty minutes of this and the alarm rings, I switch of position and prepare myself for 30 minutes meditation then inhale the last nitrous and close my eyes. Like an airplane taking off (I think one passed in the sky at that time but I am not sure) I am projected in Reality. A strong energy burst from my root chakra up my spine. My eyes are in shambavi mudra and a luminous fractal tunnel made of rainbows and smiling clouds go out of my Third Eye. The Thousand Petaled Lotus (Sahasrara) has opened and is the only vision that I have for twenty minutes. My Observer is situated in the Crown Chakra and ‘I’ am making Cosmical Love to the Universe. Shiva makes Love to Shakti. In front of the wide opened Third Eye all Archetypes of Nature are flowing (This is Guru Chakra). Complete Cosmical Ecstasy. There is no way to not look at It. Complete Bliss. Total Peace. Absolute Consciousness. There is no way to think or to open my eyes. Consciousness of the body is extremely low, but I try to maintain the meditative position. I cannot follow my breathing. I do not even know if I breathe so much I am annihilated in the Cosmos. It feels like my heart had stop beating and at some moment I feel it beating again at great speed. Warm healing energy is flowing from the Sun trough my spine. After twenty minutes my eyes are less revulsed and my ego comes back bit by bit. The habitual stupid thoughts like ‘… and at this time I won Satori’, ‘… we found him in the forest in profound ecstasy and he stayed like that since then’ and ‘When I will tell this to…’. The alarm ring. I go back home. The things are illuminated by an internal light.
NB : I do not need nor wish to masturbate for ten days afterward. Apparently sexual energy is used in this state of consciousness. It looks like a Kundalini experience. Alex Grey depicted such an experience at the end of the videoclip of Tools’ Parabola Youtube. Visual acuity and colours perception is increased for the following week. I can now feel all my chakras including the Crown any time I want (this lasted only a week or two). Before this I could only feels the Third Eye. Sometimes spontaneously Self go in the Crown chakra and irradiate from above and I enter a meditative detached state. I found soon later than the multiple arches and the fractal tunnel / dome in fact were the ‘Thousand Petaled Lotus’ of the Crown chakra. It is amazing that this vision did repeat itself twice, than it is equal to traditional description and Alex Grey animation. I do not understand how as it is not even an archetype at this level of transcendence as archetypes are inferior to Absolute Consciousness. Well there are other thing I do not understand hence it doesn’t really matter after all….
