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The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread

Shadowmeister said:
The metoo movement is very important and it's being used for good by most. Sexual assault, it turns out, is extremely commonplace and there are many reasons why victims often don't report it. The movement not only empowers people to report sexual abuses of the past, it also empowers people to stop feeling ashamed for what someone else did to violate them.

However, as with anything, I have absolutely no doubt that people are capitalizing on the social environment from metoo in order to manipulate others, get revenge, etc. In fact recently a friend of mine's little brother turned down sex from his friend's sister at a party (she's a nutcase by the way). The next day she started telling everyone that he raped her, I guess because her feelings were hurt. No conviction happened because there was no proof, but it absolutely fucked his life, it was like he was guilty until proven innocent.

So, as much as I think metoo is a good thing, and I think it's a net positive, there is also something unfortunate going on along with it.



Although there is certainly an (important) distinction here, sex by coersion is still sexual misconduct.
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How much coersion was there, really. I get the impression there WAS coersion in many cases (like he probably did that shit a dozen or more times, nevermind the actual assaults which I would guess is at least 5 but possibly much higher,) but many actresses are common prostitutes with a higher salary. My problem is not the actresses he had a prid pro quo arrangement with, it's the one's that never got a chance because of the environment of "you must suck/fuck fat pig producer for the job." A women who is not a prostitute would not take payment (movie role) for sex.
 
Probably when you're talking about famous people, the amount of false claims is greatly increased over claims against non-famous people (which is really where the value of the movement truly lies - empowering all women to speak out about abuse and feel empowered).
 
They should be encouraged to use the courts of law (I think it is great when women come forward and should feel safe doing so) not the court of public opinion. Shit movement.
 
Why is it when I state my opinions on Kavanaugh, I'm slandering him, but just calling accusers liars is fine? Okay, man.

And I actually have been following the hearings and accusations quite closely. I don't like how the accusers are being slandered, and Kavanaugh is obviously lying (or a bunch of people who knew him are, about his drinking habits and gropey-ness).

I'm aware of false accusations happening in the world for various reasons, but I think Kavanaugh isn't in that category. He was obviously paid by the far right! He's lying! Ooh slander.
 
treezy z said:
They should be encouraged to use the courts of law (I think it is great when women come forward and should feel safe doing so) not the court of public opinion. Shit movement.
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Agreed.

Although, the trend to use the media and what I think is the 1st amendment free speech thing is a lot less confrontational, less time consuming and guaranteed to get some kind of angst towards the accused. Pressing charges is up to the police, they decide if there is a case not the victim. I dont buy into public court circuses as it's too hard to tell what is really going on.
 
treezy z said:
(pound)metoo.
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first of all it's hashtag (#) me too. pound is a word old people recognize that symbol as and in that context it's saying pound me too is either funny as all gets or derogatory as all gets. actually it's both which is even worse in the presence of women on a public site.

treezy z said:
They should be encouraged to use the courts of law (I think it is great when women come forward and should feel safe doing so).
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second of all make up your mind. you slander women for stepping forward while encouraging them by saying they should. how about you say what you got to say and be clear about it instead of dragging it through the mud. saying something after the fact is just as bad as waiting 30 years to accuse someone when the opportunity seems advantageous. "oh but it would prevent cases like these from happening". duh!

and before you start typing again, consider your own words...
treezy z said:
but many actresses are common prostitutes with a higher salary.
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fighting for, supporting women or finding understanding and resolution doesn't start with calling women who work hard to develop thespian talent prostitutes (vaguely or otherwise).
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Has he even gone to trial yet? Personally, I'd be in favor of extremely harsh sentencing...but a CEP discussion on 'where do you draw the line, and what do you feel is appropriate' is a topic I'm still contemplating how to throw into the general forum discussion.

Would he try to plea deal out by naming names? Likely. Very likely. And while I'd love to see it bring down anyone else who is corrupt in this manner, or supporting it; I'd be very disheartened at Weinstein dodging any of the accountability he has in this matter.
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https://www.refinery29.com/2018/07/205687/weinstein-court-case-charges-trial-breakdown

that one is some legal stuff in a nutshell.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...d-not-guilty-new-sex-crime-charges/764486002/

this one talks about his arraignment on the 9th of july and bail was set at 1 million. it has a nice lil photo of what looks like him holding hands with a police officer while looking frumpy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Weinstein_sexual_abuse_allegations

that ones just for reference cause that's a lot of names. even if only half stick in a court of law he's getting the book and then some but not all can be and might not be allowed in the case against him.

i agree on the extremely harsh sentencing though i wonder how far that would carry with general population as rapists aren't highly looked upon in jail.

this is what i'm confused on in the court system here. if it's not related or a really big fish then the guy shouldn't be able to bail out by naming names but then again i'm not the one offering him the deals so idk what they want from him. either way it's a big loophole and you bring up a possible escape for him.

personally the guy should've called a pimp instead of picking up on the talent.
 
invegauser said:
first of all it's hashtag (#) me too. pound is a word old people recognize that symbol as and in that context it's saying pound me too is either funny as all gets or derogatory as all gets. actually it's both which is even worse in the presence of women on a public site.

second of all make up your mind. you slander women for stepping forward while encouraging them by saying they should. how about you say what you got to say and be clear about it instead of dragging it through the mud. saying something after the fact is just as bad as waiting 30 years to accuse someone when the opportunity seems advantageous. "oh but it would prevent cases like these from happening". duh!

and before you start typing again, consider your own words... fighting for, supporting women or finding understanding and resolution doesn't start with calling women who work hard to develop thespian talent prostitutes (vaguely or otherwise).
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Good post, friend :)
 
I'm nothing like him [Kavanaugh], I'm a degenerate (I'm not ashamed.)

But he never raped anyone. The incidents never happened.

What I see is if a guy like him can be attacked with completely unfounded allegations, and the media and much of congress decides he's some type of gang rape predator, it could happen to any man (including myself,) who don't have the ability to defend themselves like he does (help from some politicians, legal expert, and the allegations were actually investigated and found to be false.)
 
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tathra said:
Brett Kavanaugh lied brazenly and repeatedly under oath. Any law student knows he cannot sit on the Supreme Court. -- It feels self-evident, but a judge who cannot obey the law cannot be expected to apply it.

even if kavanaugh had answered the questions asked of him, his entire testimony is worthless because of the legal principle falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. even if his only lies were because he'll never admit that he's totally gay now because he made eye contact or touched balls with the other dude while running a devil's triangle on some thot, or he's too embarrassed to admit he boofed drugs up his ass, and everything else was 100% true, those petty little "white lies" shatter his credibility and render him unfit to be a justice.
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That article contains the line "Even if one takes the position that Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s highly credible allegations of sexual misconduct shouldn’t derail Kavanaugh’s nomination, his response to them should."

Ford could not keep her lies straight in front of congress and every witness she named said the event never happened. Peak fake news.

She even threw her best friend under the bus https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/2/leland-keyser-tells-fbi-she-doesnt-know-kavanaugh-/

If you don't like that source type "Christine Ford Keyser" on a search engine.
 
treezy z said:
That article contains the line "Even if one takes the position that Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s highly credible allegations of sexual misconduct shouldn’t derail Kavanaugh’s nomination, his response to them should."
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do you disagree?

no matter, i think you're (deliberately or otherwise) confusing air-tight proof with corroborating evidence?

seth abrahamson wrote an extensive tweet thread addressing the issue of corroboration: The GOP claim that there's no corroboration of Dr. Ford's allegation that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her is a lie.

alasdair
 
Yeah eye witnesses say it didn't happen, I'm not googling every aspect of a ridiculous conspiracy theory that conveniently didn't link any sources.

Also circumstantial evidence that he may have had more than 3 beers is completely negated by eyewitness testimony. This guy (the tweeter) is a sophist.
 
Kevin Spacey Charged With Felony Sexual Assault

The actor ? who posted a bizarre 'House of Cards'-style video address Monday ? will be arraigned in Massachusetts on Jan. 7.

The Cape and Islands, Mass., district attorney announced Monday that Kevin Spacey will face a charge of felony sexual assault, authorities told The Hollywood Reporter.


A public show-cause hearing was held for the case Dec. 20 where Clerk Magistrate Ryan Kearney issued a criminal complaint for the charge ?against Kevin S. Fowler, also known as Kevin Spacey," THRconfirmed.


The actor will be arraigned on a charge of indecent assault and battery at Nantucket District Court on Jan. 7, 2019.


The alleged assault on a male victim took place at a Nantucket bar in July 2016.


Last year, former Boston TV news anchor Heather Unruh held a press conference to share her son's allegation of sexual assault against Spacey. Her then 18-year-old son she said was sexually assaulted by Spacey inside the Club Car Restaurant on Nantucket. Unruh says her son, who was not of legal drinking age, told Spacey he was and that the actor "bought him drink after drink after drink."


"My son was a starstruck, straight 18-year-old young man who had no idea that the famous actor was an alleged sexual predator or that he was about to become his next victim," she said at the time. "When my son was drunk, Spacey made his move and sexually assaulted him."


Mitchell Garabedian, the attorney for the alleged victim, said in a statement Monday, "The complainant has shown a tremendous amount of courage in coming forward. Let the facts be presented, the relevant law applied and a just and fair verdict rendered."

As news of the arraignment broke Monday, a video was shared from Spacey's official Twitter account of the actor seemingly addressing real-life events while in character as Frank Underwood from House of Cards. The video is titled "Let Me Be Frank."


Wearing a Christmas apron, Spacey assumes the accent and signature fourth wall-breaking style of his onscreen alter ego to speak to viewers in the video, similar to how he did for five seasons on the Netflix political drama. House of Cards wrote Spacey out of its sixth and final season after allegations against him mounted ? killing him offscreen and revealing the details of his disgraceful departure in the finale. Netflix also buriedhis character with an actual gravesite in Frank's hometown in South Carolina.


In the bizarre video, the actor addresses his House of Cards fate while also saying that he knows his fans want him back.


"I know what you want," Spacey begins in Frank's accent. "Oh sure, they may have tried to separate us, but what we have is too strong, too powerful. After all, we shared everything, you and I. I told you my deepest, darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what people are capable of. I shocked you with my honestly, but mostly I challenged you and made you think. And you trusted me, even though you knew you shouldn't. So we're not done, no matter what anyone says. And besides, I know what you want. You want me back."


The video marks the first public showing from Spacey since the first allegation was made against him, by actor Anthony Rapp, in late 2017. The three-minute scene sees Spacey calling out "poppycock" headlines and an "impeachment without a trial."


"Of course, some believed everything and have been just waiting with bated breath to hear me confess it all. They're just dying to have me declare that everything said is true and that I got what I deserved. Only you and I both know it's never that simple, not in politics and not in life," he says. "All this presumption made for such an unsatisfying ending, and to think it could have been such a memorable sendoff." He goes on to say that in both life and in art, nothing should be off the table: "I can promise you this. If I didn't pay the price for the things we both know I did do, I'm certainly not going to pay the price for the things I didn't do."


He ends by directly calling out his death on House of Cards. The former star of the Robin Wright-led drama, who also served as an executive producer before he was fired, puts on Frank's signature ring before walking off. "My confidence grows each day that soon enough, you will know the full truth," he says. "Wait a minute, now that I think of it, you never actually saw me die, did you? Conclusions can be so deceiving."


Spacey is still under investigation in Los Angeles and in England for other alleged sexual assaults.

Netflix had no comment on the video.


A legal representative for Spacey did not reply to THR?s request for comment.


The Boston Globe first reported Spacey had been charged.
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(Bizarre, in-character video on YouTube at bottom of article)

I'm glad he's getting charged. The video is just nuts. Beyond.
 
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