I asked this question once before in another but I never got a really good answer so figured this would be a better forum for it.
I like to usage Kratom (usually green malay or borneo but sometimes bali) 2--3 days a week for both fun, depression and anxiety.
I also drink a lot of coffee, about 5-6 cups a day though I am trying to cut down to closer to 4.
I do martial arts classes like Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai and sometimes get anxious and was wondering about the safety of doing heavy exercise while on a combination of Green vein Kratom and a strong dose of caffeine?
I'm 35 and in relatively good health but about 25lbs over weight, normal blood pressure and normal cholesterol, don't and have never smoked tobacco but I do drink alcohol pretty heavily and the only recreational drugs I use are Kratom, alcohol, and rarely some weed and I'm also on Lexapro.
I was wondering because I know Kratom can be a stimulant and so is caffeine so could it be hard on my heart if I exercised really intensely while on both of them?
Hell, sometimes I even like to work out and run on an empty stomach at the gym on nothing other than like 2 cups of black coffee in order to burn off reserve fats, but if i added Kratom in to the mix without food could it be unsafe to run hard on treadmill on caffeine and Kratom but no food??
Would I be better off with food in me or avoiding the Kratom altogether if I'm running hard?
Is it a bad idea to go to kickboxing and grappling classes and push myself really hard hitting pads and sparring for hours if I'm on a Kratom + caffeine combo??
I ask because once years ago my Grandfather who was a doctor who used to prescribe dexedrine advised against me exercising really hard on dex cause he said it could be hard on the heart, but couldn't dex be worse for this sort of thing than Kratom considering Kratom isn't a straight forward amphetamine like Dex??
I'm gonna guess that anything other than the most intense excercise is probably relatively safe on Kratom considering it's really a fairly mild stimulant, even with caffeine involved, especially because the opiates sort of relax one...but I don't know anything about the physiology of exercising on an opioid.
What happens when the body engages in exercise while one is also under the influence of an opioid like Kratom??
Especially involving martial arts...seems an interesting questioning because my pain would be reduced, but I'd be sweating a lot and can Kratom dehydrate you??
Plus Kratom's effects on adrenaline are something I don't well understand in combination with the adrenaline and also runner's high produced by sometimes intense martial arts training as well as running and other exercise??
Any info or recommendations of precautions to take if I did so like vitamins, gatorade, supplements etc would be appreciated.
Thanks
I like to usage Kratom (usually green malay or borneo but sometimes bali) 2--3 days a week for both fun, depression and anxiety.
I also drink a lot of coffee, about 5-6 cups a day though I am trying to cut down to closer to 4.
I do martial arts classes like Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai and sometimes get anxious and was wondering about the safety of doing heavy exercise while on a combination of Green vein Kratom and a strong dose of caffeine?
I'm 35 and in relatively good health but about 25lbs over weight, normal blood pressure and normal cholesterol, don't and have never smoked tobacco but I do drink alcohol pretty heavily and the only recreational drugs I use are Kratom, alcohol, and rarely some weed and I'm also on Lexapro.
I was wondering because I know Kratom can be a stimulant and so is caffeine so could it be hard on my heart if I exercised really intensely while on both of them?
Hell, sometimes I even like to work out and run on an empty stomach at the gym on nothing other than like 2 cups of black coffee in order to burn off reserve fats, but if i added Kratom in to the mix without food could it be unsafe to run hard on treadmill on caffeine and Kratom but no food??
Would I be better off with food in me or avoiding the Kratom altogether if I'm running hard?
Is it a bad idea to go to kickboxing and grappling classes and push myself really hard hitting pads and sparring for hours if I'm on a Kratom + caffeine combo??
I ask because once years ago my Grandfather who was a doctor who used to prescribe dexedrine advised against me exercising really hard on dex cause he said it could be hard on the heart, but couldn't dex be worse for this sort of thing than Kratom considering Kratom isn't a straight forward amphetamine like Dex??
I'm gonna guess that anything other than the most intense excercise is probably relatively safe on Kratom considering it's really a fairly mild stimulant, even with caffeine involved, especially because the opiates sort of relax one...but I don't know anything about the physiology of exercising on an opioid.
What happens when the body engages in exercise while one is also under the influence of an opioid like Kratom??
Especially involving martial arts...seems an interesting questioning because my pain would be reduced, but I'd be sweating a lot and can Kratom dehydrate you??
Plus Kratom's effects on adrenaline are something I don't well understand in combination with the adrenaline and also runner's high produced by sometimes intense martial arts training as well as running and other exercise??
Any info or recommendations of precautions to take if I did so like vitamins, gatorade, supplements etc would be appreciated.
Thanks
