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Lone Deranger

Lone Deranger

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Hi there to all Bluelighters!

First of all i would like to thank you all for your contribution on one of the greatest forums about drugs.

So, to begin, i would like to say i have a minimal addiction to opioids, Heroin to be specific. I've been with a minimal use (0,1 grams per day), and in the days i have a short off H, i would get a subtex from the black market just to keep me going without the withdrawals.

Today it was my last time (i hope this statement will continue accurate in the future) that i smoked H. With a help of a great friend i schedule a visit to the Hospital, at wich they told me to go to a drug reabilitation center.

So I was wondering what are your advices? Do you think it's better to go to the drug center and try some subtex or methadone to quit the H addiction or do you think it's better cold turkey? i know i have the strenght to do it cold turkey, but if it's easier with another substitutal drug, why not try it?

Is there any chance of getting an addiction on the Subtex?

By the way, if you can send me supportal messages i will be greatly thankfull to all

Love and Light <3

The Lone Deranger
 
Hey LD welcome to BL. you can beat this.. =D

Can you please clarify a little bit of your post.. so you are useing 0.1 grams of herion a day.. is this china (fent) and what is your daily dosing regiment.

Allot of good info and support here and you can do this.
 
Hi neversickanymore, thanks for the reply and encouragement!

To be honest i don't know what's "china", all i can say it's regular normal heroin, brown colour.

About my daily dose regiment of H, it was 0,1 grams per day and when i was out i took just 1/8 of a 8mg subtex pill (i divided the pill in 8 parts and took just one).
 
One other thing, i was thinking of quit smoking, and i tought quit both things at the same time (heroin and cigars).

Do you think it's a smart choice, or maybe it's better doing one at the time?
 
Hey great stuff.. I would do one at a time. But I think given your nice small dose of the H.. I think you will have little or no physical withdrawal from this... this does not mean easy street as any addiction has nothing to do with physical withdrawal. Nicotine on the other hand is likely the most addicting thing on the planet.. or at least on of them.. so you may be in for a very strong fight there.. you can do this though.
 
Hi Lone deranger

Yea if ur doin that small amout of H, I would say to try to do it ur self. Maybe jus get a few subs and do a quick taper. If u go to the drs per se, like a sub dr, they r gonna start u on a high dose of sub and they r gonna wanna keep u comin in for a long time....
But if u feel like ur life is too outta control, then u need to do what u need to do..... Jus be careful and be smart in the areas that I can if u get the chane too

My main doc is oxy but I could do a whole bundle in a day sometimes when I was out of doc or didn't feel like spending more money for pills. I currently stopped H bc it was making my Tolerance too high and I was beginning to want H instead of the pills....
like u saw in my thread u commented on, I got jus one day so far lol

Good luck ! Def explore this website... U can see a lot of people who detoxed n how they do it. Once u decide what is best, let us know and we can give u some support!
 
So today i went to the drug rehab center, and it went better then i expected. I was a litlle upset cause they might dose me with a substance (subtex/methadone) in a long period time that i really needed, and with a stronger dosage that i also would really need.

So the doctor told me they could only start a treatment plan in the beggining of the next week because they're short of staff at the moment. Well i tought if i have to be a week without treatment, i would only have two choices: continue my H usage, or stop cold turkey. I choose the latter! I told him if i would stay one week sober i would not need a treatment anymore, at wich he surprisingly agreed. He told me that he tought i was a smart person, and has he looked at me, he had saw a winner who could beat the first 3-4 (the most difficult) days by myself.

So that's were i'm at: almost 24 hours without consume anything.

My mental approach will be a positive one; instead of getting worried has the sintoms will escalate i will just try to smile and think that's a signal of recovery and soon it will all be over.

love88 said:
Hi Lone deranger

Yea if ur doin that small amout of H, I would say to try to do it ur self.
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I will my friend! I wish you all luck, you can also do it.
 
IMO going on suboxone for that little habit would be really foolish. Suboxone has a very long half life and is very hard to get off. Please remeber this is your life and your body. Suboxone is great for many people, but I don't think you are one of them. How many times a day do you dose the herion?
 
Normally i only dose one time a day. I only need that for the entire day.

Btw, great picture on your avatar, i'm also a Alex Grey fan when it comes to his art and visions of the world.

Tell me one thing, in what day do you think it will be the peak of the withdrawl symptoms?

Thanks for all the info and support neversickanymore.
 
No problem LD.:)

Your withdrawal symptoms should already be pretty significant if your going to get much.. they will peak around day three, but if you pretty ok now you wont feal that much worse.

How bad do you feal now?

Given you only dose once a day and its that small of a dose I dont think you have much if any of a physical dependence. People who are physically dependent to herion usually need to dose every four to six hours to avoid becoming really sick. By switching to suboxone you will acquire a real physical dependence and with it a 10 to fourteen day withdrawals when you decide to jump off.. or at least a very long taper.

Since you are already over twenty four hours from the last dose.. you will only have two more days until you are done with the withdrawals. Why don't you just push through that and leave the suboxone alone. I really don't see it doing much positive for you and think it may turn out to be a big mistake.

If after you detox you find your are having really strong urges to use, then you likely have an addiction. If this is the case then you can use a naltrexone shot as it will prevent you from getting high for two weeks, but does not cause physical dependence. During this time you will need to form a plan to address any addiction.

Hopefully someone else will chime in with there thoughts on this.
 
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I agree on leaving subs alone. Ive never done them but I know others who have and they can be hard to get off. If you've gone 24 hrs without dope, keep going! Like nsa said, two more days and the worst will be over. Even my worst withdrawals from hell, the acute part lasted no more than 4 days.

Jump off this train now. Don't be like me and ride it 20 stations down, to where you need to get on methadone/subs and then even detoxing from those is an exercise in prolonged hell. Get out now - you've seen all the good there is to see with dope, I promise. It's only downhill from here.
 
I would make a serious attempt cold turkey. I decided to get on Suboxone a handful of years ago only after several failed attempts at quitting cold turkey.

I wish you the best of luck <3 I am sure you can do this cold turkey.
 
I think we are getting a pretty strong consensus that you would very likely benefit from kicking without the suboxone. With you current level of use I think that loporimide would work very well to alleviate and symptoms you might experience.

Here is a thread on it Loperamide (Immodium) Megathread v. 2

You may also benefit from these other medications though I would not dose the clonodine every four hours in your case as I just don't think your going to need it.

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE< >here<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol
Senokot S is a stool softener and laxative. If you do not want the laxative you can go for strait stool softenerDioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate.

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

Your Personal Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal

Your doing this.. how are you feeling <3
 
thanks a lot for all the replies; with your advices i just cimented my will to do this without a substitute drug.

this is were i'm at now: feeling shitty and without any meds to sleep or give me some relieve except 3 or 4 pills of Tramadol. what's your take on this? does it give some relieve?

thank you for all the support i will post more when i feel a litlle better.
 
It likely will give you some relief but since it is a opiate agonist it will just set you back and you will have to go through what you are getting relief from when the tramadol wares off.

The lope is over the counter.. but if you are around 24 hours in at this point your almost done and I woould not add anything.

Your doing great LD... if you have not been taking anything.. your getting close.. another day or two and you will pass out of the tunnel and start to feal much better... fight, fight, fight..:!<3
 
neversickanymore what do you recommend for passing the time and try to forget the wd effects for a while? Sorry if i'm posting questions that are already on the forum, i just want to get a more direct and personal advice over here.

Once again, THANK YOU for being here giving suport and valuable tips to get over this. I will not let others down, and most important, this time, i will not let MYSELF down.

Love and light <3
 
Anything you can think of.. go to a movie, a museum, a sporting event.. whatever you like to do. wamling around and movings a little uncomfortable, but it actually does not hurt anymore and can help. Hot showers and orgasms can help out as well. Make sure you are consuming some calories, I know eating might be the last thing on your mind, but a protien shake or a slimfast can do quite a bit of good, so try and chug one down every four hours or so.

Your doing great!!
 
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