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The 'Quit Smoking' thread; Ver 2

Well done Anna. You're probably over the physical addiction at this stage, which may make the next few days easier

:)
 
up all night said:
Smokers love smoking. Most non-smokers and anti-smokers like to think it's the addiction that keeps you coming back, but it's not.
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Very true. I've been able to quit several times for months, and even years - it's not the addiction that makes me come back. I just happen to quite enjoy smoking. I'll enjoy it for a months at a time until I feel like quitting again - when that day comes, it will be easy. And that day always comes sooner or later. But for now, I'll just have another drag ;).
 
i should quit, but i kinda dont want to :|
stupid i know, there will come a time where i do.
but its so hard especially if im around smokers aka all my friends..
people always think cancer wont happen to them, i know i try to deny it 'one cigarette pack isnt gonna give me cancer'.
even after my grandfather died of emphysema and i saw the pain he went through, i continued to smoke.
it doesn't even make sense to ME.
should quit soon actually.. black lungs arent very pretty
btw; how bad are the ads and the pics on the packets..argh.
 
^ Yeah I think about what my lungs would look like too :( And I smoke fucking heaps!!

Also, the fact that you will never have the lung capacity that you once had, even years after you give up :(
 
Well, its been two and a half years since I touched a cigarette. Since my smoking epiphany with Mr Carr I havent craved once, even when drinking:)

Some good advice in this thread though and it could also apply to other substances. One of the biggest factors for me was getting away from other smokers and their routines.

Ive gotten to the stage where Im beyond feeling disgusted by other smokers, now I really feel sorry for them, like I do some prisoners.:\
 
One week for me, no cigarettes, plenty of times when I wanted one (stressful bloody week that it was). I might replace my cigarettes with Apple Chews, they are much tastier.
 
Smoking is disgusting, i cannot see any reason why people do it, nor do i have sympathy for people who get sick as a result.

The warnings are out there, with all these Quit ads as ridiculous as they may be, just don't smoke.

If you want to smoke, smoke weed or something, atleast it gets you high?
 
^^It's still smoking though and it's still doing damage to your lungs.
 
The evidence suggesting that cannabis causes cancer to the lung or any other part of the body is still inconclusive. Tobacco is proven to cause these illnesses, therefore i find it hard to accept the comparison between the two.

Marijuana Does Not Raise Lung Cancer Risk
http://hempworld.com/HempPharm/articles/marijuanalungcancer.html


SOURCES: American Thoracic Society 102nd International Conference, San Diego, May 23, 2006. Donald Tashkin, MD, professor of medicine, David Geffen School of Medicine, University of California at Los Angeles. Robert Melamede, PhD, molecular biologist, University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. WebMD Medical News: “Pot Smoke: Less Carcinogenic Than Tobacco?”

USA -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancer, new research suggests. While a clear increase in cancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users. Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study’s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

“We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,” researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. “But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.” Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society’s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.

Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

“People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,” Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn’t smoke at all.

The THC Connection

Studies suggest that marijuana smoke contains 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer than cigarette smoke. Marijuana smokers also tend to inhale deeper than cigarette smokers and hold the inhaled smoke in their lungs longer.

So why isn’t smoking marijuana as dangerous as smoking cigarettes in terms of cancer risk?

The answer isn’t clear, but the experts say it might have something to do with tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is a chemical found in marijuana smoke.

Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has anti-tumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

The nicotine in tobacco has been shown to inhibit the destruction of cancer-causing cells, Melamede tells WebMD. THC does not appear to do this and may even do the opposite.

While there was a suggestion in the newly reported study that smoking marijuana is weakly protective against lung cancer, Tashkin says the very weak association was probably due to chance.

Cancer risk among cigarette smokers was not influenced by whether or not they also smoked marijuana.

“We saw no interaction between marijuana and tobacco, and we certainly would not recommend that people smoke marijuana to protect themselves against cancer,” he says.
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Just a side note, im far from a heavy cannabis user, so im not getting on my high horse here to defend "my" drug, i smoke a joint a week if that, i just like to outline the facts.
 
Re: the study, there's quite a few studies which have found a correlation between pot and lung cancer so as far as facts go, research studies aren't necessarily accurate or valid. Also, pot smokers could be at risk for throat Ca and emphysema, just like cigarette smokers.

I mean, any smoke is bad for your lungs, including chemicals. Pollution, wood smoke and candle smoke have all been implicated in lung damage so no reason to think marijuana is any different.

I'm not a smoker but even I can see there's a weird code of ethics by other substance users towards smokers. It's like smoking is the worst thing when really, its just one substance out of so many we all partake in which is damaging to our health.
 
I will second that motion.

I am an idiot for taking up smoking. That doesn't mean I didn't spend every day of my smoking life enjoying it immensely. I rarely thought of the consequences. When I die of lung cancer, I will blame myself (and my boyfriend, who sabotaged me mid-quit when I first met him).
 
*sunflower* said:
Re: the study, there's quite a few studies which have found a correlation between pot and lung cancer so as far as facts go, research studies aren't necessarily accurate or valid. Also, pot smokers could be at risk for throat Ca and emphysema, just like cigarette smokers.

I mean, any smoke is bad for your lungs, including chemicals. Pollution, wood smoke and candle smoke have all been implicated in lung damage so no reason to think marijuana is any different.

I'm not a smoker but even I can see there's a weird code of ethics by other substance users towards smokers. It's like smoking is the worst thing when really, its just one substance out of so many we all partake in which is damaging to our health.
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I never said it was harmless.

My point is, with the harm marijuana may do, a psychoactive state is induced.

Tobacco does nothing.

This is the fundamental point im trying to make.
 
And the long term damaging effects of marijuana is altogether another thread.
 
"And the long term damaging effects of marijuana" > Is altogether inconclusive in comparison to tobacco.

I could go on and on, but im sure the majority would rather i didn't.

:)
 
Actually there's a dopamine release, it's small but ever present. I don't know about you but I sure as hell couldn't toke on a joint four or five times a day while I was at work without making it very obvious to everyone in the office I was in an altered state.

Smoking on the other hand is popular because users find it relieves stress, most people don't want, or would find it vastly inconvenient, if there was any stronger mood or mind alteration that went on.

Something I tend to harp on about when it comes to drugs is that all users, regardless of their drug of choice, get something from their consumption, no matter how inconsequential, small or irrelevant it might seem to non-users of that drug. Humans don't take drugs for no reason, or risk their health or life for that matter for nothing.
 
If I knew it would not make me physically fucked (I had to quit because of heart palpitations) I would take up smoking again in an instant. I fucking love it.
 
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