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The purpose of psychedelics

I'm just reading "True Hallucinations". Love the brothers and their ideas !
 
:) Do you maybe know of a more recent book/archive somewhere where they take these ideas further ?

I mean, modern science must have denied and confirmed some of these ideas by now, right ?
 
theMcKenna brothers were very very awesome. :) As far as "hyper intelligent"? we have the same brain they do/did.. we are just as capable as they were/are. :)

and if i am not mistaken.. ethno botany is the study of plants and how they interact with people... DMT, Ayahuasca, etc etc.

as far as "having a purpose" during psychedelics? not a good idea.. you never wanna stress yourself especially when inside of a delicate state of mind.. i.e. tripping on ANY psychedelic except for RC's.. NO ONE should mess with them. (Research Chemicals).

enjoy tripping.. it enjoys you. :)
 
Thumbsup. said:
as far as "having a purpose" during psychedelics? not a good idea.. you never wanna stress yourself especially when inside of a delicate state of mind.. i.e. tripping on ANY psychedelic except for RC's.. NO ONE should mess with them. (Research Chemicals).
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While I would have to disagree with you about "research chemicals" (I'm not going to argue that here, both sides of the arguement are very well established in other places) I have to whole-heartedly agree with the rest of your point. Its one thing to go into a psychedelic experience with a goal (such as enlightenment, introspection, or just good old-fashioned fun), but to try and force the experience to bend to your will and your purpose is just asking for trouble. Such a thing will almost certainly not work, and the very real evidence of your lack of control over things may be frightening, especially if you are the type of individual who has trouble letting go and handing over the reigns to your subconscious. Excellent point ThumbsUp!

As for the purpose of psychedelics, I think they are whatever you need them to be. They can be deep, they can be shallow. They can be a font of wisdom, or pure pleasure to the senses. Everyone takes something different away from them, trying to pigeon-hole them is a useless exercise.
 
Thumbsup. said:
theMcKenna brothers were very very awesome. :) As far as "hyper intelligent"? we have the same brain they do/did.. we are just as capable as they were/are. :)

and if i am not mistaken.. ethno botany is the study of plants and how they interact with people... DMT, Ayahuasca, etc etc.

as far as "having a purpose" during psychedelics? not a good idea.. you never wanna stress yourself especially when inside of a delicate state of mind.. i.e. tripping on ANY psychedelic except for RC's.. NO ONE should mess with them. (Research Chemicals).

enjoy tripping.. it enjoys you. :)
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Hmm.. let's look at the title of the thread "The Purpose of Psychedelics". So the thread's not about RC's, and it's not your thread either... hmmm. Are you trying to threadjack? I've seen this a lot recently, people saying "Don't do RC psychedelics!" in a thread where it really doesn't fit. THIS is the equivalent to creating pages worth of spam. You realize you're hijacking this thread with an unrelated topic and lessening the value of the thread overall? Not only that but your statement is useless in the first place. I suggest you edit this shit out and apologize for bad forum manners. Now I don't know if you're not a big forum user or not, but on BL we keep threads focused. Sure, people go offtopic a bit, but the way you did is encouraging pages of spam. It's horrible, and I'm considering reporting your post.
 
i feel some psychedelics definitely have a purpose in this world, some tryptamines and phenylethylamines i feel have a place, others are completely novel, some have no psychedelic activity. I dont feel phsychedelics on a whole have a purpose in this world, but we as human beings have come across these experiences for hundreds (possibily thousands of years) and seek out that similar place we have experienced of a certain psychedelic.

The brain is such a strange thing, lsd for someone could be the answer to all their problems (albeit just an experience) where as another person would take it thinking they will experience the same yet do not like the place they are in and causes the person an uncomfortable (and sometimes damaging) experience.

I love psychedelics for what they can do to me, but for someone else, it can be a whole different story
 
zombywoof said:
they make me feel better
they make music sound better
they can make sex feel better
and the afterglow the next day and somtimes even the whole week depending on what you have taken
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ahhhh how i miss them experiences, thats why im so tempted to try AL_LAD, but i dont know, i have nothing to do today ! but im alone and unsure of whether to trip on my own, someone on here said its a great experience, but i am unsure if i am ready today, feels like i have been putting it off way too long now :)
 
thanks zombie u have made my mind up, plus i have just finished my course of anti biotics metronidazole and was hoping to leave it a few more days
 
bloodshed344 said:
Hmm.. let's look at the title of the thread "The Purpose of Psychedelics". So the thread's not about RC's, and it's not your thread either... hmmm. Are you trying to threadjack? I've seen this a lot recently, people saying "Don't do RC psychedelics!" in a thread where it really doesn't fit. THIS is the equivalent to creating pages worth of spam. You realize you're hijacking this thread with an unrelated topic and lessening the value of the thread overall? Not only that but your statement is useless in the first place. I suggest you edit this shit out and apologize for bad forum manners. Now I don't know if you're not a big forum user or not, but on BL we keep threads focused. Sure, people go offtopic a bit, but the way you did is encouraging pages of spam. It's horrible, and I'm considering reporting your post.
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Absolutely no disrespect intended here, since I totally agree that threads should not meander off into unrelated territory, but I don't think his point was to thread-jack. I think that he was just stating his own personal feelings regarding psychedelics, and then felt that he had to qualify his previous statement with one about "research chemicals," however rediculous the idea that something should be avoided because it is new may be.

Again, no disrespect intended, but I personally would not respond so strongly to a single sentence aside, especially since said sentence was at the end of an on-topic post...

Now, to avoid getting pistols or drug-impregnated papers forcibly inserted into my lower colon, I'd like to get things back on topic by saying that Bare_head made a very excellent point. Whatever purpose these substances have (or do not have,) they are definitely not for everyone. I think we can all agree on that!
 
For a more recent perspective on all things McKenna there are a couple of great newish Dennis interviews out there....

[video=youtube_share;7R7VRGkWpEo]http://youtu.be/7R7VRGkWpEo[/video] Part 1 of 2, BL wont let me post more than one video link but I'm sure you can work out youtube search :)

Also there is a 2+ hour interview with Dennis and Joe Rogan where Dennis talks a lot about the side of Terrence only he saw and understood as his brother.

All good stuff.
 
For me, I'm still at the stage where psychedelics are taken out of curiosity and for enjoyment. They invoke ponderings of sonder and crying with laughter and stillness of tranquility. They are an escape from my mind and an invitation into my own mind and the minds of others. They have gotten me out of depression and given me direction in life even though I'm not sure where to. They are a talking point and a reality check. They are anything you want them to be and for some they are everything. They help you realise how lost you are and everyone else is yet content with how this is because it is what it is.

Honestly, I don't know what psychedelics are for. It seems like they are definitely meant for something but they might be pointless, like life, and that would still be a point for them to make.

Personally, I take them recreationally with friends- but that doesn't mean I don't learn something magical every time.
 
StWd said:
For me, I'm still at the stage where psychedelics are taken out of curiosity and for enjoyment. They invoke ponderings of sonder and crying with laughter and stillness of tranquility. They are an escape from my mind and an invitation into my own mind and the minds of others. They have gotten me out of depression and given me direction in life even though I'm not sure where to. They are a talking point and a reality check. They are anything you want them to be and for some they are everything. They help you realise how lost you are and everyone else is yet content with how this is because it is what it is.

Honestly, I don't know what psychedelics are for. It seems like they are definitely meant for something but they might be pointless, like life, and that would still be a point for them to make.

Personally, I take them recreationally with friends- but that doesn't mean I don't learn something magical every time.
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Psychedelics have no purpose, just like everything else. Including this thread...


Not to be a downer, but once you start philosophizing about it that's what you end up with.
 
William Blake - Auguries of Innocence

To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.

A robin redbreast in a cage
Puts all heaven in a rage.

A dove-house fill'd with doves and pigeons
Shudders hell thro' all its regions.
A dog starv'd at his master's gate
Predicts the ruin of the state.

A horse misused upon the road
Calls to heaven for human blood.
Each outcry of the hunted hare
A fibre from the brain does tear.

A skylark wounded in the wing,
A cherubim does cease to sing.
The game-cock clipt and arm'd for fight
Does the rising sun affright.

Every wolf's and lion's howl
Raises from hell a human soul.

The wild deer, wand'ring here and there,
Keeps the human soul from care.
The lamb misus'd breeds public strife,
And yet forgives the butcher's knife.

The bat that flits at close of eve
Has left the brain that won't believe.
The owl that calls upon the night
Speaks the unbeliever's fright.

He who shall hurt the little wren
Shall never be belov'd by men.
He who the ox to wrath has mov'd
Shall never be by woman lov'd.

The wanton boy that kills the fly
Shall feel the spider's enmity.
He who torments the chafer's sprite
Weaves a bower in endless night.

The caterpillar on the leaf
Repeats to thee thy mother's grief.
Kill not the moth nor butterfly,
For the last judgement draweth nigh.

He who shall train the horse to war
Shall never pass the polar bar.
The beggar's dog and widow's cat,
Feed them and thou wilt grow fat.

The gnat that sings his summer's song
Poison gets from slander's tongue.
The poison of the snake and newt
Is the sweat of envy's foot.

The poison of the honey bee
Is the artist's jealousy.

The prince's robes and beggar's rags
Are toadstools on the miser's bags.
A truth that's told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent.

It is right it should be so;
Man was made for joy and woe;
And when this we rightly know,
Thro' the world we safely go.

Joy and woe are woven fine,
A clothing for the soul divine.
Under every grief and pine
Runs a joy with silken twine.

The babe is more than swaddling bands;
Every farmer understands.
Every tear from every eye
Becomes a babe in eternity;

This is caught by females bright,
And return'd to its own delight.
The bleat, the bark, bellow, and roar,
Are waves that beat on heaven's shore.

The babe that weeps the rod beneath
Writes revenge in realms of death.
The beggar's rags, fluttering in air,
Does to rags the heavens tear.

The soldier, arm'd with sword and gun,
Palsied strikes the summer's sun.
The poor man's farthing is worth more
Than all the gold on Afric's shore.

One mite wrung from the lab'rer's hands
Shall buy and sell the miser's lands;
Or, if protected from on high,
Does that whole nation sell and buy.

He who mocks the infant's faith
Shall be mock'd in age and death.
He who shall teach the child to doubt
The rotting grave shall ne'er get out.

He who respects the infant's faith
Triumphs over hell and death.
The child's toys and the old man's reasons
Are the fruits of the two seasons.

The questioner, who sits so sly,
Shall never know how to reply.
He who replies to words of doubt
Doth put the light of knowledge out.

The strongest poison ever known
Came from Caesar's laurel crown.
Nought can deform the human race
Like to the armour's iron brace.

When gold and gems adorn the plow,
To peaceful arts shall envy bow.
A riddle, or the cricket's cry,
Is to doubt a fit reply.

The emmet's inch and eagle's mile
Make lame philosophy to smile.
He who doubts from what he sees
Will ne'er believe, do what you please.

If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.
To be in a passion you good may do,
But no good if a passion is in you.

The whore and gambler, by the state
Licensed, build that nation's fate.
The harlot's cry from street to street
Shall weave old England's winding-sheet.

The winner's shout, the loser's curse,
Dance before dead England's hearse.

Every night and every morn
Some to misery are born,
Every morn and every night
Some are born to sweet delight.

Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

We are led to believe a lie
When we see not thro' the eye,
Which was born in a night to perish in a night,
When the soul slept in beams of light.

God appears, and God is light,
To those poor souls who dwell in night;
But does a human form display
To those who dwell in realms of day.
 
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