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The Psychoactive Substances Act - Update: Illegals R Us

Fuck! Sorry to hear that. Anything vaguely interpretable as racist (whether joking or not) posted online can now be reported to the authorities as a "hate crime" as ridiculous as that is in some contexts like yours for example, i had no idea what kind of action they would take. It would seem that a large dose of intimidation tactics is the order of the day for the some plods. What country did this happen in if you dont mind stating that openly. Otherwise PM me please?
 
Do you not find it a bit much to be blaming medical professionals for their apparent failure to address the needs of users when these selfsame users have had months in which to taper down their dosage? I know people with 'legitimately' acquired benzo dependencies (for epilepsy) who are expected to manage their benzo intake themselves, and woe betide them if they drive their tolerance through the roof, or use their scripts too quickly. Should the medics be treating recreational benzo users with any more compassion? I think the lowest dose possible is all you can reasonably expect, and for that you should really be grateful.

Superficially this makes total sense, even if it does sound like something Theresa May would say. :p:) But imo it fails to take into account the day to day realities that can mess up a taper; some of them are entirely the benzo users "fault", others not.

For example benzos can be quite variable in their time of onset, sometimes leaving the user unable to sleep all night, if said person has to do a days work the following day it's going to be hard to resist increasing the dose to avoid too many absences.

For the best chances of success with a benzo taper it is essential to get up at the same time every morning, no sleeping in at weekends etc, no matter how much you may need to catch up on your sleep after a weeks work. This does make it much easier to get to sleep at a reasonable time every night. Just common sense, but some weekends human fallibilties strike, and its impossible to get up, or if you do get up and still need more sleep you're gonna fall asleep at some point during the day anyway, and then your sleep pattern gets fucked as easily as that.

Other times benzo users may also use a multitude of other drugs, stims, GBL to name but two. For the fallible user the occasional binge is going to happen, these things can completely destroy tapers and benzo tolerance levels in the aftermath. True, the user has only themselves to blame, but they may have a problem avoiding/resisting such binges.
 
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Fuck! Sorry to hear that. Anything vaguely interpretable as racist (whether joking or not) posted online can now be reported to the authorities as a "hate crime" as ridiculous as that is in some contexts like yours for example, i had no idea what kind of action they would take. It would seem that a large dose of intimidation tactics is the order of the day for the some plods. What country did this happen in if you dont mind stating that openly. Otherwise PM me please?
Northern Ireland
Thing is they said I was anti-semetic.
Do they not know that most of Palestine contains more semites than Israel per-capita?

The police are absolutely useless here, sure they photobomb you with this when you're trying to photograph something different. They tell you that you find someone else to do it when you've just been assaulted and you and a witness point out the perpetrator to them. When you make a complaint to the ombudsman they say they want that matter handled informally (ie a "don't do it again, dismissed", I'm pushing to have it formally dealt with and have set that pic of officer friendly as my facebook profile picture. It's been getting a lot of shares.

When the cops try to fuck with me using their pin sized dicks, I will; if not immediately fuck back with a jackhammer.
 
Take it the website that reported you wasn't bluelight?

Regarding youl previous post about going into hospital in severe benzo WDs and asking not to receive any help other than fluid unless your life was in immanent danger. I doubt very much any hospital would agree to that. More likely if you said that they'd probably class you as not having capacity and treat you against your will (which hospital and ambulance staff have the right to do if you're deemed as not having mental capacity to make that decision yourself).

Obviously you DO have mental capacity but since they wouldn't likely understand your reasons for doing It they would probably deem you as not having capacity.

Only way I could see around that would be to have spoken to yout GP before hand and have him issue you with a letter explaining what you were panning and why.....
 
Nope, it was posted to vice then the moderator phoned the police rather than simply remove the posts. Reason I got a caution, he was too fucking cheap to fly to NI for my trial. Before I was strictly anti zionism, now that he called up and he said "I'm Jewish and offended the lines have blurred a bit, especially since he was so offended he couldn't pay the 50-100 quid to fly over here for a day.


I think he was more annoyed about this video than the joke, the investigating officers brought it up before anything else in my first interview anyway.

As for them saying I don't have mental capacity, I'd bring down a or a third party doctor a solicitor or simply write it down if I had to prove I was compos mentis.
 
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That's a bit a shit mate.....some folk just love causeing trouble for others.

Re. the mental capacity thing. That's what I was meaning. You need a doctor or doctors letter to prove you had capacity. Unfortunately being able to write it down yourself doesnt prove you have metal capacity. Its not so much about being compos enough to write on a piece of paper but more about not sufering from some form of mental illness or being under the influence of something that was preventing you from making informed decisions by yourself. The whole mental capacity thing is very in-depth and taken very seriously. Its a lot of responsibility for a medical professional to treat someone against their will. The general gist of the regulation is that everyone has the right to make a bad decision but people need protecting from making decisions which could result in themselves coming to harm on occasions where for what ever reason they lack the capacity to make that decision. It could be due to mental illness or being under the influence of something that effects their decision making. For example if someone is pissed and has has fallen and cut their wrist on some broken glass and is bleeding out. When the ambulance turns up they might say "fuck off I don't want help". If they were sober they would never say that as they obviously don't want to bleed to death. In that case their alcohol consumption has rendered them lacking mental capacity to make that decision So you would have the responsibility to treat them against their will.....

Its a little bit similar to a DNR order.

Sorry for the ramble..

Anyway was shit you had to go threw that experience mate. Sorry for you and hope it didn't cause you too much trouble in the long-term
 
It's only landed me with a five year caution.
Since my Danish passport expired and I didn't fill out forms before I turned 21 (that I was never appraised of) I cannot get back my Danish nationality. Personally the UK is a sinking ship. Luckily I can escape down south, if there's heat on me I can hide out in a forest for a month or two (I'll just bring down some stale bread and attach it to small fish-hooks to fish for birds and then actually fish close to a river, if there's rabbit there even better, I've plenty of snare-wire) then hop a boat to Germany and then sneak onto a truck to Denmark then go to the ministry with my (expired) passport in hand asking for political asylum. That's if things keep on their current course here in NI and the UK.

If I can hold on long enough to get my exam results along with my coursework results and say I was on the same amount of F-lam doing them as I am now so either someone who isn't compos can do exams and get the second highest percentage in their chemistry report then you can hardly say I am not without saying that Queens University (the main and most difficult one to get into in NI) mark their papers for people who are clearly not compos. If you get what I mean. How can I do a college course with nobody knowing (and my microbio teacher saying I'm probably the best in the class) then you say I'm not mentally capable to refuse medical attention. If they did give it, I would have a sizeable lawsuit towards them considering that not even my key worker who gives me my methadone scripts and has chatted with me for hours hasn't noticed even though he's trained to work with drug addicts.
Sorry if it doesn't make sense, had a case of passing out without any prior warning last night so am having a lazy Saturday afternoon and consuming the booze meant for last night.
I might add in a little F-lam though I know the dangers, especially being on methadone and don't recommend anyone else do it.
 
No it does make sense mate. You saying that if someone has their faculties intact enough to score high in a very difficult examination then they surely have them together enough to make an informed decision to refuse treatment for a severe benzo withdrawal. If that would work or not I don't know. It depends on whether or not they would accept the fact that you did so well in your exam while on the same amount of drugs equated to you having capacity with regard to the "no treatment" decision now. I guess it depends on whether they think anything is different from the persons capacity at the exam time to now...like are there any other factors to consider. Also whether they equate someone's ability to do well with regard to an academic test with their ability to make informed decisions regarding their health. Idk really it's a very complicated situation. Its easier for the likes of me as we only see patients for a short amount of time and don't get their full history to the extent that a hospital does. Therefore decisions are made in the here and now regarding what's going to keep you from harm in the next 10 minutes as oppose to more long term treatment in a hospital setting. As I mentioned before everyone has the absolute right to make a bad decision if they are in full posession of their faculties but those who's decision making is currently impared need protecting and sometimes that means treatment against their will or without their consent if it's deemed appropriate. There's a fair bit of paperwork to be filled in and you have to be able to justify your actions in a courtroom if necessary.

Pretty shit that you had to suffer all those consequences simply due to some mod on a forum getting his knickers in a twist. When you say a 5 year caution do you mean that it only stays on your records for five years? Shit you can't legally that back in to Denmark. I'll never complain about bluelight mods ever again!!!
 
Oh I know his name. I'll wait until he puts his foot in it and then show it to the world, everybody does so at one point or another. Provided the useless doctors (seriously useless, I do all 'minor' medical procedures (ie the ones not requiring general anaesthesia) myself. Treat me poorly and it results in my death (not something I fear, it's the dying part I fear) or permanent damage (massive lawsuit) I'll make sure they're made to answer for their poor medical practice.
After all, when I was run over by a car (closest witness was a compulsive liar so that meant I got no claim), but dirt cheap oxies I did get since apparently people under the age of 50 don't feel pain and my doctor prescribed me low dose tramadol for what they eventually found to be a broken leg, torn ACL, PCL and other ligaments (the first X-rays I got they X-rayed my right leg twice and tried to get me to walk on my left leg, it was only waking up screaming as I twitched and all the other patients asking nurses if I was okay did they re-check my X-rays and find that the junior doctor had X-rayed my right leg twice (to which I responded "thank fuck I only have one spine" I got a shot of morphine and eventually put on a diamorphine PCA pump (loaded with 250mg which I used all of in a week) where I could get 1mg every 5 minutes. The knee surgeon; even though I was fasted from Wednesday to Friday although the nurses knew the surgeon would only be in on Friday; I think this is because I royally embarrassed them as 3 people were calling for a nurse, which I could hear as I dragged myself into a wheelchair and wheeled up to the nurses watching TV on their tea break ignoring the people asking for a nurse due to one patient being in agony. They shouted at me (for leaving my bed) and I shouted at them for not being nurses and ignoring the people I could hear clearly asking for help. On Friday some quack knee surgeon came in and wanted to do open exploratory surgery on my knee (their MRI had broken), since I was 17 my fool of a mother signed off (promising she'd get me a laptop; what she didn't say was I'd have to pay for it) on it but since I had food stashed I started eating as much as possible to make surgery impossible, the surgeon looked like he'd been punched in the face when I offered him a sweet and said they're quite delicious. After that they tried to move me from the children's ward to the adult ward so I said I wanted to leave the hospital. I was told I'd need re-casted and to spend another night (without diamorphine) in hell.
When I finally left I went home, washed the vomit from my hair (yes, they were going to conduct open surgery on me with vomit in my hair due to doctors pinning me down and their suction machine being as good as a 90 year old hooker until I took a swing at one of them and sat up. The nurses 'cleaned' my hair though I spent the week picking solid food from it and living with the stench.
After that I went to another, better hospital where I was X-rayed, told that surgery was not required and the cast they put on me was incorrect.

Due to the NHS refusal to believe that I was (and still am) in severe pain they prescribed me tramadol so I went for oxy 80s and fentanyl instead. Essentially I'm an opiate addict due to the uselessness of the NHS. I may also have suffered from endorphin deficiency (seeing as the only sports I liked were extreme sports that gave me an endorphin rush and a nice feeling of 'normal' for a few seconds since I was a child and had always felt 'like something was missing' before I tried a sub-recreational line of oxycodone; when asked how it made me feel all I could say was 'just right' or 'normal', I don't believe the monoamine theory of depression is all encompassing as doctors say it is and that endorphin plays a significant role. The only problem with this means that doctors would have to prescribe (shock, horror) opioids for depression. I'd go on to mention that my father hung himself when I was six (well either that or he was too fucked up to understand how a rope swing worked;) , yeah I can make humour out of even my own father's death. I cut an RIP into the stump that was left of the tree yesterday. I might return with a larger tantō bladed belt knife to cut out a facade in the wood to make it more permanent then re-carve the RIP in bigger letters.

Onto my personal medical care as I hate waiting ages for simple procedures.
Stitching skin is something everyone should know, they should also know that superglue works better than stitches in quite a few of the cases. Unless the wound is a puncture wound or ragged around the edges, glue it and your body will naturally heal and push the glue up and out. They used it in Vietnam a lot until medical glue (contains the exact same stuff as £0.99 superglue does) came on the market. Only difference is the applicator and about £70. Just remember to glue the edges and leave a hole (or if gluing the whole wound cut a bandage into a thin wick and insert it into centre the wound to act as a drain for pus in case it becomes infected)
I should be getting a surgical stapler, possibly making a weak cocaine solution to numb wounds one thing I would invest in if you're an IV user, or simply want to take care of your own injuries is the CAT (combat application tourniquet though they make it in civilian orange now even though I got the cheaper 'tacticool' black model. You Velcro it on an arterial wound then use a windlass to tighten it until the bleeding stops or the distal pulse cannot be felt.
One thing to remember is that 'vetrinary grade' is exactly the same as 'surgical grade' without the taxes.
I've drained one abscess in my lifetime; not mine by simply sticking it with a scalpel then wiping up the pus with a microwaved damp facecloth then finishing with baby wipes, I didn't bother packing the wound as I knew the person would just pull the packing out He would just sit by and let his many abscesses pop with the stench of rotten meat pervading the room.
Grab up an SAS survival guide off eBay and start learning. If you ever find yourself with heat on you escape with this, a pocket chainsaw, a wire saw, a ferro rod, a full tang knife (the metal the blade is made from goes right through the grip to the end, a folding knife (of good quality steel and unlikely to fail and chop your digits off under heavy use), a lansky basic sharpening system and a lansky sapphire stone (to be kept at home, though you could take the kit minus the bench mount with you) and a few other things and you can live in the middle of feckin nowhere for quite a while. I have what the nutjob 'the end is nigh' 'call a bug out bag'
but it's more for use if I need to get away from society fast. Sometimes I'll set up a shelter in a glen close to me just so Ican look up at the stars while I drift off to sleep. I'd give a full list but this isn't really the forum for it. If you're curiou Knowing these skills have probably saved me ages in A&E.
 
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I know mate. I've been a paramedic for 15 years and that glue is still used today. It usual not to completely close a wound and make it airtight as this helps cause infection due to the anaerobic nature of some bacteria. This is why large wounds are often left open after surgery and packed. As for the wick thing though, it's correct to leave a drain for blood, lymph fluid etc. but if an infection sets in the there isnt really any home remedy treatment and medical help must be saught (unless you have access to antibiotics yourself.....still very risky though). This is why the death rate pre WW2 was so high in wartime and anyone who suffered an non fatal wound had a slim chance of survival if (which is likely) infection set in. Infection was especially likely with gunshot wounds as they often carried a piece of cloth into the wound as the bullet entered. Any sort of animal inflicted.wound (like a bite) is another one where the chance of Infection is extremely high. Its great if you have the skills to treat minor injuries yourself but you really have to be careful with infection. Once pus is present and the area feels hot to the touch and is very red then you're in trouble and need antibiotics....even more so if any fever has set it.

Spot on with the glue thing (Cynoacrylate). It was indeed pioneered in Vietnam for battle field injuries and is still used today (going by the name of surgical adhesive).
 
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Surgical superglue is made using ethanol (drinkable alcohol) as a solvent, but the industrial sort is made using methanol (toxic wood alcohol). However, it probably isn't enough methanol to do you much harm -- might even be more for the benefit of medics having to work with it all day.
 
I would love to be a forensic chemist / toxicologist for the next year commencing from the date of this ban.

Congrats to the government for essentially forcing the dumping of huge quantities of novel, dangerous, psychoactive drugs directly into the blackmarket in one fell swoop, I have no doubt that some of these drugs have already emerged as adulterants in traditional blackmarket drugs like amphetamine and coke, now, I can imagine that use increasing, putting more lives at risk etc etc.

They have put fuck all measures in place to mitigate the inevitable fallout from their insane law, infact their cuts to mental health services, social services, and the deliberate ongoing sabotage of the NHS via chronic underfunding are going to make this an even bigger problem.
 
Didn't know they used methanol.
Superglue is cyanoacryalate and like most things it was discovered through serindipity (in the 1960s scientists were tasked with making a compound gun sights they made something that stuck to everything and filed it in the 'useless' pile until one scientist had a lightbulb and thought "we could use this for sticking broken things together"
 
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