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The Psychoactive Substances Act - Update: Illegals R Us

I still find it weird how they have constructed these laws. The analogue laws here have effectively prevented the sale of rcs though there was a brief period of time that synthetic noids and mdpv were sold in shops and the laws were then tweaked making everything illegal. That is for possession and supply. Then again Australia has turned into a police state...
 
Well maybe it's the Irish in me but as much as I view benzo withdrawal as worse than death, after I finish my exams I'll see with a hospital if I can withhold all medical attention except fluids unless they believe my life is in imminent and immediate risk of loss. I'll explain to them that w/d causes severe psychosis so I will possibly have to be restrained. I will also ask if (presuming I get a private room) they will let me use a gopro so they have video evidence on how to treat the withdrawal and I'll make a heavily edited copy removing all hospital staff from the video entirely. Using subtitles to tell of what procedures they are trying and what may be happening to me.

I know this is a harm reduction website but someone needs to show the severe damage this ban can and will do to serious harm to people as well as making a statement.

I'll offer myself; up to go on the sacrificial slab for science; I wholeheartedly would urge no-one else to do this as it is extremely dangerous but one person needs to record it so doctors can better treat it and to make Miss May look like a unit 731 'scientist', maybe when the public see the torture the government is willing to put it's citizen's through just because they don't smoke and rarely drank (I've been drinking heavier lately but that would fall in line with the depression) but choose to use other previously legal drugs too and since a large amount of UK citizens are hooked legally on benzos the government can't 'legal high voodoo magic' their way out of this one.
 
I doubt they will allow the use of a gopro in any circumstances in a hospital setting bro. It would definitely not be allowed here in Australia no matter what assurances you gave. Also while they may not be familiar with the type of benzos you have been using hospitals certainly in my experience are very used to management of benzo withdrawal. Its extremely common. You definitely sound like you require inpatient detox admission and i strongly advise you seek that and follow the treatment plan your team comes up with. Just dont expect to be able to film it. I cant see them allowing that under any circumstances. Good luck with it.
 
I must admit that with the exemption granted in the case of poppers, this Act seems a little more sensible than it used to. I know that won't sit well for the people for whom access to (mostly) shitty drugs is a kind of forlorn matter of moral principle, but that's the way I see it. Obviously I'd prefer that people were given the right to make their own decisions, but the legal high scene wrought a hell of a lot of havoc, and the government responded in the only way a government realistically can.
 
Effectively they've turned British common law on it's head.

Our rights are not given, they are implied unless specifically prohibited by law. This has been British common law since about the time the Magna Carta (which they abolished very sneakily I might add, like all those laws to control the people when parliament was a den of pedos with special branch pulling the strings; Cyril Smith was just one of many) this act completely turns common law on it's head meaning that your rights are not implied, they have to be given. Sorry minister but this act is one of many turning the UK into a place where people lived by these laws to an Orwellian airstrip one.

It would definitely not be allowed here in Australia no matter what assurances you gave. Also while they may not be familiar with the type of benzos you have been using hospitals certainly in my experience are very used to management of benzo withdrawal.
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It's a long-shot. I could stash something audio only in a bag and hope it gets moved with me as well as that I'm on the equivalent of 100mg diazepam, though I can always jack that up a bit for extra effect. Say 400mg diazepam, fuck knows; I've rationed my f-lam well enough to be able to do it.
The doctors here aren't the best, they would fail to believe me when I gave the dosage and they would keep giving small doses of benzos as I seized until they had to give me a massive dose of pheno, by that time I may be too far gone or be brain damaged from them not listening.
 
bropiate said:
Effectively they've turned British common law on it's head.Our rights are not given, they are implied unless specifically prohibited by law. This has been British common law since about the time the Magna Carta (which they abolished very sneakily I might add, like all those laws to control the people when parliament was a den of pedos with special branch pulling the strings; Cyril Smith was just one of many) this act completely turns common law on it's head meaning that your rights are not implied, they have to be given. Sorry minister but this act is one of many turning the UK into a place where people lived by these laws to an Orwellian airstrip one.
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Magna Carta only satisfied the needs of a tiny percentage of the population though, didn't it? It's of symbolic value rather than being the foundation of British democracy in any real sense. The subjugation of the rights of the majority of the populace for centuries after its inception would attest to that. Besides which, statute law is enacted by representatives of the people. It's a bit absurd to suggest that the government is behaving like an unaccountable despot, crushing the rights of the individual when I'd wager that were a referendum to be held on this matter, the majority of the country would fully support the ban. Protest all you like about the average Briton's ignorance (and you'd certainly be correct) but I don't see the wider public warming to legalisation anytime soon.
 
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Magna Carta only satisfied the needs of a tiny percentage of the population though, didn't it? It's of symbolic value rather than being the foundation of British democracy in any real sense. The subjugation of the rights of the majority of the populace for centuries after its inception would attest to that. Besides which, statute law is enacted by representatives of the people. It's a bit absurd to suggest that the government is behaving like an unaccountable despot, crushing the rights of the individual when I'd wager that were a referendum to be held on this matter, the majority of the country would fully support the ban. Protest all you like about the average Briton's ignorance (and you'd certainly be correct) but I don't see the wider public warming to legalisation anytime soon.
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call me a pessimist but I have to agree. The most vocal people tend to be the minority sadly.
 
The really, truly, utterly crazy thing is, the demand for legal highs only goes to demonstrate the extent to which getting high is a natural bodily function (like having sex, or going to the toilet ..... which is a good point to mention in passing that it's very easy to outlaw breathing in the same, er, breath as public urination and defaecation, if you are careless with your wording).
 
Well, Im not too fussed atm. Imo the most significant aspect of this saga is that the police say that the law is mostly unenforceable because they would need to hire an RC expert for every case they had just to identify the substance. Is there anyone that can do that, just thinking of the dozens of cannabinoids released for example etc? They will probably just confiscate everything and have done with it, for any one unfortunate enough to get caught with any pre-ban stuffs.

So once again the law and war on drugs become a total mockery and a dismal failure. Those 'in power' are seen as ever more out of touch with basic realities. They haven't even got the basic approach right. :!:sus:
 
They'll drive all domestic RC suppliers out of business, so it will have quite a profound and immediate effect. Besides which, the claims that the law will be unenforceable appear to stem from concerns over prosecuting simple possession cases. Possession not being a crime under the Act, I don't foresee half as much trouble as certain police forces seem to be suggesting. Get busted with white powder of any description and you're going down to the station, simple as. Only if said white powder is then tested - and comes up negative for common street drugs - does the 'RC expert' scenario come into play. A costly business in terms of police resources if it becomes apparent that the powder is in fact an RC, sure. Not really unenforceable though; the police have to act if they seize any kind of suspicious substance, regardless of the new legislation.
 
bropiate said:
The doctors here aren't the best, they would fail to believe me when I gave the dosage and they would keep giving small doses of benzos as I seized until they had to give me a massive dose of pheno, by that time I may be too far gone or be brain damaged from them not listening.
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Experienced exactly the same when i was on 10mg of Etiz, (roughly equivalent to 60mg of diaz). When in hospital a while ago I was offered 2mg of Diaz, and not only that i was told that i would not be allowed out of the grounds for a smoke, for my own safety. :|

I guess they must get lied to a lot, but there must also be a large proportion of people who are telling the truth and getting dangerously, id go so far as to say, negligent treatment, especially if you end up a nervous wreck and have seizures all the time.

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What's the predictions for the future of these drugs about to be banned then?

I'm asking because I was browsing the deep web the other day. I had a look at the once legal mephedrone. Even on the DW it seems like it's all either another cathinone or it's nowhere near the purity it used to be.

I wonder is 3-FPM of interest to enough people it will continue in the same way? I'm asking because I genuinely have no idea. Unlike time during the mephedrone boom though where everyone was on it IRL I don't know anyone who's used it. So maybe not.
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I reckon there's only 3 possible outcomes. Either the UK vendors will sell any left over products to the remaining few European Vendors, or if its sold cheaply enough it may get all snaffled up by 'organised crime' mostly for use as 'slightly superior' , at least compared to what went before, cutting agents.

Or the vendors may be left with a load of shit stock that they could not shift. That will eventually find its way into dodgy hands i should imagine.
 
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Do you not find it a bit much to be blaming medical professionals for their apparent failure to address the needs of users when these selfsame users have had months in which to taper down their dosage? I know people with 'legitimately' acquired benzo dependencies (for epilepsy) who are expected to manage their benzo intake themselves, and woe betide them if they drive their tolerance through the roof, or use their scripts too quickly. Should the medics be treating recreational benzo users with any more compassion? I think the lowest dose possible is all you can reasonably expect, and for that you should really be grateful.
 
I'm on a relatively meaty dose of DHC. Went to my doc to get her to lower it as I've been on them for about 2 months and my pain is getting better. She hands me the same script as I did before. The only difference is it now states as and when needed rather than 2-4 tablets 4 times a day.

She's basically left me to be an adult and use them as I have been. As and when needed.

watch this space...... :\
 
Magna carta assured you the right to lawful protest (ie refusal to pay taxes)
It also introduced "every man's house is his castle" and castle law for the common people
It gave you the right to defend yourself if under attack (now we are supposed to run away from the attacker)
It never mentioned things like the consumption of alcohol or other known drugs at the time, because a man was a free man
It gave men the right to live off the land that was considered public land (try setting up in a forest and they'll boot you out faster than parliament can push through kneejerk bills)
It forbade the rule of royalty by divine right (like the queen rules today)

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Well, Im not too fussed atm. Imo the most significant aspect of this saga is that the police say that the law is mostly unenforceable because they would need to hire an RC expert for every case they had just to identify the substance. Is there anyone that can do that, just thinking of the dozens of cannabinoids released for example etc? They will probably just confiscate everything and have done with it, for any one unfortunate enough to get caught with any pre-ban stuffs.

So once again the law and war on drugs become a total mockery and a dismal failure. Those 'in power' are seen as ever more out of touch with basic realities. They haven't even got the basic approach right. :!:sus:
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You should be too fussed because no matter how much egg parlaiment gets on their face they get away with it over and over and over again this is because English citizens (I'm in NI but I would stand up for my rights if I lived in England) hold a 'stiff upper lip' for every right they are stripped of. Free speech online? Gone. (Unless you complain about straight white males) common law being turned on it's head? Happening soon. Porn bans? Yep and not just kiddie porn either (though I'm sure many a minister has a stash of that) if I lived in England I would attempt to lead a march on parliament, however I would be arrested just for sewing the seeds of dissent (a man here is doing a jail term for trying to get the public to march on Stormont (our joke version of parliament)) so you cannot even stand up to the public servants who you elected for making a mockery of common law.
Change needs to be made and no change can be made from a computer screen. Taking nitrous outside parliament was a huge mistake; it just rectified in their small, small minds that 'the druggies and junkies' are a bunch of fools. What they should have done is set up a real protest outside parliament.
The UK is going down a very dark path indeed, just like France did before the revolution. I wonder if I'll live to see the use of the guillotine on British soil.
 
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I dont have the time or energy to research a proper reply right now unfortunately, but i do believe that in the UK, even with most of its news papers and even the BBC itself propogandasized to varying extents, the powers that be may not listen to us, but they have not taken away our right to say it. Boards like this one are living proof that 'counter cultural',and/or 'subcultural' thoughts, ideas, and dreams are still allowed freedom of expression. It's a global website with many thousands of members from most countries of the world as I'm sure you know. Some of them are openly and extremely anti - establishment in their posts.

The other side of the coin is that we do not know how closely the state monitors these type of boards, and their members. But I am grateful that I do not live in North Korea or Russia where you would see what real repression of freedom of speech looks like.

Where has free speech online gone, can you provide any examples to backup your statement? OK you can no longer verbally abuse, make sexually or racially aggravating remarks without fear of consequence, but is that such a bad thing?
 
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I tried to reply using my phone but it wouldn't work. This is a bit shorter, but still to the point.

I was arrested without warrant because some moderator got his panties in a twist over a Jew joke and me exposing the war crimes against Gaza. His poor feelings must have been assaulted bad as I was threatened with half a year in prison
In less than 24 hours the police were at my house. They seized my PC (full of coursework and nearly led to me failing my college ACCESS course) along with my phone. They drove me 30mi to the furthest police station possible to try and deter any solicitor coming until morning, since they waited until 11pm to strike despite being parked in my street (further up, but still there since 4pm)
They Bailed me without charge and threatened me with a year in prison if I had any internet capable device
Once I was in my room away from anyone else they assaulted me and told me I was lucky not to be cuffed you know with the cuffs that cause permanent nerve damage.

You said something about North Korea? The only difference is NK isn't as good at hiding their crimes as the UK. If they want to be a nuclear armed isolationist state who preach nuclear transparency (whereas Israel preaches nuclear opacity) let them. It's the sanctions killing more than the leadership.
 
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