The Psychedelic 5km Run

[Thorns Have Roses]

I see its appeal, but the strain running puts on the heart of someone not properly conditioned, combined with the cardiovascular problems a lot of psychedelic RCs create (6-APB's hypothesized negative effect on heart valves, due to its affinity for I-forget-which-serotonin-receptor) spells trouble in massive letters to me

As has been stated, the cardiac risk of 5-HT2B agonists is in chronic administration. It doesn't present an acute toxicity that'll off someone if they go on a jog.

And while I'd be leery of doing anything strenuous or irregular on those bomamines, let us keep in mind we're only talking a 5km run here.

 

[sekio]

You guys make it sound like taking a psychedelic is like being amputated at the knee or something. More than likely, on anything less than a crippling-insanity, whiteout, One With God dose of your favourite psyche, you'd be able to participate in a 5k run. You may not be the fastest and may in fact end up quite distracted, but it's not like dropping tabs and running around outside with a bunch of other people is going to kill you.

The 5HT2B thing is indeed only in chronic administration, taking MDMA and/or APB poses no real greater risk for cardiac events than you would expect by taking a stimulant. Heart valvulopathy is a chronic thing as mentioned before, and it's not like you'll take a dose of APB and then just suddenly have a heart attack.

Unless you have a serious predisposition to just fucking wiling out and behaving recklessly when you take psychedelics. Then, obviously, don't do it.

 

[any major dude]

I see my attempt at keeping the discussion light-hearted didn't really go over... i suppose text only communication makes us all a bit autistic sometimes.

Anyway, i'll explain my logic a bit as perhaps i should've done earlier.

Do i think 25i is the ideal drug for such a purpose, no not really. However the OP stated he has the most experience with it & feels most comfortable with that drug in that particular situation. This counts for a lot given that expectations can play quite a large role in psychedelic experiences. Secondly, AFAIK the deaths associated with 25I have all been from what sounded like imprecise amounts based on the reports i've read. Given the relatively tight dosage ranged mentioned in the OP, i was assuming that he is using a proper measurement technique that will be accurate and thus relatively safe. And the fact that the OP works out regularly and has actually completed a marathon make a 5k that looks (from the video posted) much more dedicated to goofing off than anything else seem like not too strenuous a task. If he'd said something to the effect of "I'm going to dose a couple mg's of 25I & try & win a ninja run," i would've clearly stated that would be a horrible idea. And he has a number of posts in the 25I thread which is chock full of cautionary tales. Thus i felt it wasn't necessary to reiterate all the warnings I assumed him to be pretty well aware of.

FWIW I actually am a healthcare professional, and (now somewhat ironically) my previous posts were actually made from the hospital where i work. Monitoring vital signs is a pretty standard part of my day and i do retain a somewhat proficient knowledge base regarding novel psychedelics & their pharmacokinetics/dynamics. I even keep somewhat regular communication with a couple of serious academic researchers in the field. Though there haven't actually been any en vivo studies of 25x on humans so any data there is tentative at best, as far as our purposes here are concerned anyway.

And with regard to harm reduction, telling someone to take a recreational drug really isn't harm reduction, especially suggesting they take a drug they're either completely unfamiliar or have only the faintest hint of experience with in a public situation. Telling them how to most safely take a drug they're already planning on taking is really the essence of what bluelight is here for. This principle is why we have the rule against "What should I take?" type threads. I've also found that with things such as this where we're in a pretty gray area as far as safety is concerned being excessively cautious can cause people to a.) Not listen to you at all. b.) Develop a false sense of security when they do whatever it was they were planning & don't experience a negative outcome. I'm certainly not saying one should play down dangers in the name of diplomacy, but that it's important to be measured in your response & not be on either extreme unless what they're proposing is unequivocally toxic to a physically dangerous degree.

To get back on topic...

Hiking & walking are common recommendations of things to do while tripping, and as with any type of exercise one should be careful not to overexert oneself, but if one takes the proper precautions these types of things can clearly be done with an acceptable degree of safety. Obviously extra precautions should be taken given that there's a very potent drug in the mix, so, to quote Erowid: Know your body, know your mind, know your source. Or in this case know your dose might be a more applicable phrase at the end there, which is my main concern with the bomamines regardless of setting.

Personally i'd probably keep the dose at or under a milligram seeing as its during the day & appears to be a family friendly event, but YMMV so use your best judgement.

Oh, and one final note, daylight tends to kinda wash out most phenethylamine visuals for me, though i've not done 25x during the day. I say that because it would probably be unwise to try & top up if you aren't getting the level of visuals you expected both for safety/security reasons, and the fact that redosing doesn't seem to be very effective with bomamines anyway.

 

[webdesignnomad]

Really appreciate all the input guys, I have signed up for it already so I am pretty pumped. I do have the most experience with 25i and personally didnt feel much of a body load at all. Most likely this is just going to be a stroll with a combination of running and walking. I would hardly say this event would be stressful at all to my body.

I will make sure I let you all know how this goes! Also 25i is my drug of choice for this because I like the clear head and sober aspect to it. Also I do not have access to lsd or shrooms easily so no real other option. Plus when I do it then it will be my 5th time having done 25i and various doses, so I will just dose low so I know exactly what to expect

 

[MrFister]

My girlfriend did this run! She was sober though, itd be a fun atmosphere i think

 

[Solipsis]

Based on my limited experience with 25X compounds if I can give out my personal opinion without getting attacked, I would not recommend people to go running 5 km on it. Even my limited DOB experiences didn't worry me as much. That said I don't think anyone would die on it and be fine not running, but still if you feel palpitations, get lightheaded or signs of tachycardia, stop running. No need to endanger your health or faint because people here might be suspected to defend all psychedelics as a whole, and let the not yet well understood sides of 25X compounds slip.

 

[Transform]

Based on my limited experience with 25X compounds if I can give out my personal opinion without getting attacked,

Your opinion is different to mine how dare you I hate you

In my also limited experience, I have enjoyed a cycling at a level between leisurely and intense while tripping quite hard on 25I. Not only did I not feel any physical discomfort, but I also rather enjoyed myself. This must have been 4 ish hours into an (initially) incredibly intense 1.4mg nasal.

 

[Dumbnut]

Can someone tell me where is the reference to drugs in this video? There's even kids in the video. Why it can't only be a colorful good 5k run just for health purposes? I don't see any dj's pumping the music and some rave boys dancing like crazy. Damn you guys only think about drugs 8)

PD: get@me

 

[Solipsis]

Why would there be? The run was only proposed as a setting, it seems.

What is the rave element in a stroll through nature? There isn't one. Yet it is a perfect and often beautiful way to spend, for example, a mushroom trip.
Similarly there are many more ways to augment a mundane experience with a trip or a trip with a mundane experience.

 

[stormcharger]

For a moderator, you're quite the immature prick. You're giving bad HR advice solely based on your opinion, and make no disclaimer to that effect. You should acknowledge that I have a point, that we don't know what could happen, but you're trying to shoot me down. How did you get the job man, seriously?
Are you a healthcare professional with an intimate knowledge of different psychedelics' binding affinities and their impact on the cardiovascular system? (I'm taking the liberty of making that a rhetorical question btw).

There's a difference between sitting quietly and running a fucking marathon, isn't there? 5k isn't "running down the street". It's five kilometres. And while the marathon isn't about setting records it still involves running, for quite a while. I couldn't run 400m, let alone 5k. You could be a bit more mature, sensible and HR-oriented and, rather than try and shoot me down with absurd comments like "it's just your opinion, man" and "If taking a psychedelic the one day it's OK to run down the street and throw paint on strangers is wrong then I don't want to be right", you could tell the OP that, since 25i-NBOMe has already caused a few more than unpleasant accidents (this isn't "opinion" by the way, I, out of the two of us, am the sole one supporting his assertions with fact) and carries significant body-load with circulatory and cardiovascular issues, has high affinity for the serotonin receptor most associated with heart valve problems, so if he does indeed intend to go through with it, it would be best not to run but keep as leisurely a pace as possible. Or better yet, switch to a drug with less body-load, since 25i-NBOMe has already caused quite a few fuck-ups and a few deaths (people not running, but "sitting quietly").

Realistically, I don't expect the OP's heart to explode out of his chest and die, but it's, arguably, your job as a moderator on an HR site to make him aware of the potential health risks he is running. Like, mention the shit I just did, so he can make a more informed decision as to his safety, not shoot me down when I'm giving valid, factual information that could aid him in choosing what substance to take, and how to act when on said substance.
Tosser.

You can't run 400 metres let alone 5km? How fat are you? 5k isn't far at all it takes like 25 minutes at a decent pace but if the guy just walks and has fun itll take him 45 minutes to an hour and won't be that strenuous at all especially if he regulary goes running.

5k isn't even close to a marathon its what little kids do for fun runs, a marathon is 42 kilometers. I think you think its gonna be a lot harder for him than it will be purely because you are extremely unfit.

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Sorry I din't read your final reply, no hard feelings.
But seriously you should consider getting some exercise if you can't run 400 metres.

 

[jawn doe]

I am not knowledgeable on the dosage of 25-x drugs, but I do think that with strenuous physical activity, the key is to dose low. I've used very small doses of lsd for long (9 hour) day hikes and mountain biking and I find that the key is to look at it as the drug enhancing the activity, not the other way around. A low dose seems to keep a clear, safe headspace and allow you to focus a lot more on the activity-exercise is one of the most powerful mind altering activities and combining it with a low dose psychedelic is like a athlete-flip, immensely enjoyable and in the right doses some lsd or something of the like is like taking an 8-12 hour energy.
That being said, drink water, give your body the right quick digesting, light fuels and listen to your body!

 

[any major dude]

OK I deserved that... any major dude, I reiterate, the offensive and personal tone of my post was totally uncalled for, as was questioning your status as moderator, which you more than demonstrated with your post above. I was just concerned for the OP and thought you were being overly dismissive. And as to your being a healthcare professional, well, talk about putting your foot in your mouth...!

So, I'm very sorry I was such a cunt to you, I'm taking a break from BL/limiting how long I spend on here because it's been bringing out the worst in me lately. As you said, text brings out the autistic in us (no offence meant to autistic people, but I get your point).

Sorry mate. Genuinely.

No worries, apology accepted. I understand your emotion was stemming from your concern & thus ultimately a good place. I'm sure I've made similar errors in the past myself. Certainly wouldn't begrudge someone for being overly cautious.

I've found the internet, much like traffic, can allow us to demonise a relatively anonymous other based in an action or two potentially taken out of context. And this can often lead to unhealthy escalation. See also: YouTube comments

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