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Magickduck

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So, I cannot believe there is not a megathread on this, due to the sheer amount of people I have encountered in person as well as online that have experienced this.

What I speak of is the "permatrip" - in my eyes a bit different from HPPD - due to the fact that it is not always dysphoric and is more like the actual psychedelic experience.

Most of the people I have met who have "struggled" with this have been people who have been using large quantity's of psychedelics since they were very young - 15 years old or so. Most people I have met who were older when beginning their journey do not seem to be able to experience this. Because of this, I believe it may have to do with the use of these tools while the brain is still developing.

I would not necessarily call it a bad thing, though it can make life more challenging (and more fun) - LSD seems to be one of the main culprits of causing this.

For me, it is characterized by visuals (patterning, tracers, and color shifting), random laughter, word salad, thinking/learning in metaphor (can get overwhelming), hearing "double meanings". That is, one someone says something, the mind automatically creates a metaphor to something in my life or to something I am thinking about, within like 0 or 1 second of hearing it, and then that creates another metaphor, and another.

There are times I have started having a "bad trip" - after intense life experiences such as police, etc. This lead to delusion. My "telepathy" (or very good cross-referencing skills mixed with a bit of energy sensing - would be taken over by delusion. I would think dark and twisted things about my life or where it was headed. This would border or be on par with OCD intrusive thoughts.

When the negative aspect of this happened, I thought I had finally gone schizophrenic. Some of the experiences of this would definitely be considered schizotypical symptoms, however, because the bad aspects come and go, and the amount of lucidity when in a good place I do not believe it to be so.

I have a few friends who also have this exact same experience, one who blames excessive amounts of DMT when young (well, blames himself, but yeah), some others, one who believes this is how "indigo children" are being created (delusions of grandeur, or truth? :sus:) and people I have met at festivals and online.

Many of these people seem to also have experience with the occult or urban shamanism/spirituality and rituals.

I also believe this experience to fade with time.

So, anyone else have any experience with the permanent psychedelic experience?
 
Nope bro, I think you just fucked your tolerance. Lay it easy on the phenethylamines especially, they cause long-term tolerance
 
This has nothing to do with tolerance. I have gone 6 months without any psychedelics and experianced these same effects, and taking more psychedelics (natural ones - I am done with chemicals that are way too strong on the receptors) - such as cactus or mushrooms have gotton me significantly out of the darker side of things and back into a positive mindstate.
 
About 15 years ago I dropped 4 alleged acid tabs. Which I had a terrible trip from. (possibly bromo d-fly or some other RC).

It lasted far too long. And I felt damaged as a result.

Anyway. For about 4 years afterwards. Every single time I smoked a joint I would experience the same visuals as I saw whilst on that particular trip.
It was specifically vowels from the alphabet appearing over walls, floors, etc and rotating. A bit like a baby's mobile toy that rotates & shines patterns using a light bulb encased by stencils of random shapes (which in my case were letters).

I thought I was gonna 'permatrip' forever.
 
Cornishman, I too have suffered from HPPD from rc's - such as 2ci, b, e, pretty much all of them. As well as 25i, etc. This seemed to pass with time, but LSD seemed to leave a lasting "metaphor" imprint on my SUBCONSCIOUS mind that is now automatic. That combined with the HPPD left over from the RC's and I am stuck in a fairly psychedelic state. I do not seem to get DP/DR though.
 
Magickduck said:
This has nothing to do with tolerance. I have gone 6 months without any psychedelics and experianced these same effects, and taking more psychedelics (natural ones - I am done with chemicals that are way too strong on the receptors) - such as cactus or mushrooms have gotton me significantly out of the darker side of things and back into a positive mindstate.
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Maybe its something to do with LSD and maybe even tryptamines like the other guy said. Ive never had ANYTHING you say in your first post, and I've dealt with plenty of psychedelic after-effects. Really strong visual snow that was almost blinding in a dark room. But if anything my mind is so much sharper since Ive started using psychedelics, and I started using about a year and a half ago.

and yes Ive mainly done phenethylamines. Why do frequent users of tryptamines seem loopier than users of phenethylamines (not trying to draw it into two seperate groups because I know most people do both)
 
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It took me a few years of overuse (and I say overuse as I was taking LSD every 3 days for a few months) until it really caught up with me.
 
I'm using psychedelics for over 2 years now.

When not using, I don't really experience visuals, but the mindset from psychedelics is something I cannot shake. Not that I'd want to, for me it comes close to The Truth as some himalayan gurus would call it ;)
 
amen... I just have to get myself back in that mindstate rather than half truth, half confusion/fear. I started taking nootropics at some point and they have helped immensily.
 
Cornishman said:
About 15 years ago I dropped 4 alleged acid tabs. Which I had a terrible trip from. (possibly bromo d-fly or some other RC).

It lasted far too long. And I felt damaged as a result.

Anyway. For about 4 years afterwards. Every single time I smoked a joint I would experience the same visuals as I saw whilst on that particular trip.
It was specifically vowels from the alphabet appearing over walls, floors, etc and rotating. A bit like a baby's mobile toy that rotates & shines patterns using a light bulb encased by stencils of random shapes (which in my case were letters).

I thought I was gonna 'permatrip' forever.
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This could be a form of synesthesia
 
I started tripping like 4-5 years ago, and have gone through periods of very occasional use (currently), and periods of what I can only consider abuse. I think if you're tripping any more than a few times in a year it's too much. Phenethylamines, tryptamines, and dissociatives. To put it simply, tripping too often can fuck with you, depending on your mindstate and personality.

There have been times after tripping heavily for a period where I was just overwhelmed by social paranoia, anxiety, delusions, couldn't smoke weed, the works. But it went away, for me, as I worked through it and dealt with it. Stopping tripping is a must if you're having ANY HPPD or "permatrip" symptoms. Yes, your brain and body, are powerful, remarkable things. But they can also act extremely fragile when you least expect it. Psychedelics are beautiful, mind expanding plants and chemicals. But it can take you way out there, and you may not enjoy what you find, and more importantly what you become.

All I can say is don't fucking abuse psychedelics guys and gals. It's all fun and games until you become the paranoid dude that can't hold a conversation and has the thousand yard stare. These are just my thoughts, I do not mean to preach if it sounds like that. Psychedelics are fun and amazing, but they've brought me to dark places that I couldn't easily get out of, and I don't wish that on anyone. I believe moderation is the key to happy tripping.
 
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This has happned to me. I don't trip as much anymore but I've gotten used to being far out and having tripper friends, so I sometimes have to go back in my mind with people and think hhmm everything is flat anf bland amd one dimensinonal to them and they probably think I'm crazy. also, when I am deciding in my mind once I settle on something I will see my thought transmit into my brain thru a tube in my minds eye. I also went thru a phase where id trip then use a wippit in combination with chakra meditation and specific visuals amd sounds and got to the point where I could turn hppd into almost settings on a camera if that makes amy sens, where i could eventually control my visual space with my hands amd astral project on command. it got way too far out so I stopped. if it taught me anything, the mind can be completely programmed in each direction.
 
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I experience something like this, It started when I accidentally OD'd on an nbome. Ever since, random patterns will pop out of things, tracers are super common, and I've even had stuff melt when turning my head. weird shit, but I don't think it bothers me.
 
trippy12 said:
I experience something like this, It started when I accidentally OD'd on an nbome. Ever since, random patterns will pop out of things, tracers are super common, and I've even had stuff melt when turning my head. weird shit, but I don't think it bothers me.
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yes I find most phenetlyamines 2c-i nbome etc cause visual symptoms but I find LSD to almost caues an LSD-like headspace, not characterized by dp/dr & hppd but literally like the lsd headspace.
 
Magickduck said:
yes I find most phenetlyamines 2c-i nbome etc cause visual symptoms but I find LSD to almost caues an LSD-like headspace, not characterized by dp/dr & hppd but literally like the lsd headspace.
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As in thinking in metaphors and relating seemingly unrelated things?
 
trippy12 said:
As in thinking in metaphors and relating seemingly unrelated things?
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yes, almost automatically its not like i try to think in metaphor but everything automatically relates in my head.. its useful for inferencing but gets tiring to think like this all the time.

i think it had to do with using large amounts of psychedelics at young age while the brain is still developing
 
That's weird, my brain has done this ever since I was a child, but psychedelics make it alot worse for sure
 
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