• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Harm Reduction The Pain Management Mega Thread Version 4

Status
Not open for further replies.
I don't have an arsenal :( All I have is my patches. I'm putting my pain in someone else's hands and it's starting to freak me out. From medical literature I've read, it says to treat the pain as if the fent patch is not there because it is for chronic pain. I've read that with post-op or acute pain settings it's important to dose medicines appropriately for the added pain and other than adjusting doses for tolerance, the fent patch should not be considered as part of treatment. So based on literature, I should be covered. In reality, it all depends on the doctor.
 
I had surgery 4 weeks ago, I got no extra meds, I was sedated with midazolam which did nothing. They messed up and had to do it twice and it has caused more pain instead of helping pain.
 
I'm still freaking out about this. I'm so fucking sick of pain, so sick. I don't want more, I really don't.

I'm starting to get the pre-hospital jitters... Operations have never bothered me before, but they've been telling me non-stop for the last week that the surgery is going to be super intense and very invasive. Goddamn.
 
i've realized lately that if i want any pain relief that i cant take my pain meds every day i have to space it out only taking it though the toughest of times
 
Benny, is your surgeon the one who is currently treating your pain? I have always talked to my surgeon before my surgery about pain management for after the surgery, and have always been given my written prescriptions before the surgery so that I would have them ready at home. I realize your situation is different because of the pain meds you are already on. But you should be able to have a conversation with your doctor before your surgery and tell him your concerns.
I realize that I seem to be in the minority, but I have always been treated very well in the hospital, and keeping ahead of the pain has always been the objective. I know you were wanting to hear from people who's situations more closely match your, but I did want you to hear that at least some people (like me), have received excellent pain management in the hospital. Is our surgery on the 14th? I will keep you in my thoughts. <3
 
Ya I tried that and my surgeon said yes no problem. We take care of everything, have your meds ready, pain management. That was a real joke on me haha you got me, nothing he said was done at all. The next surgery I show up with 100s of pills and treat myself. I know they were aware of what I was doing because they test my blood every day 1 or 2 times. Never said a word about it like I never complained about where's the pain management team?? Every hospital has different policy, just make sure you never need surgery in nyc. Next time I drive to Ct or Nj for surgery. Shouldn't have to shop around hospitals but here there are some real sketchy ones.
 
For Three Years I've Gotten Perc's At A Pain Clinic

AT first I got 4 10/325 a day and in the past two months that's been doubled due to a genuine substantial increase in the pain caused by a series of over 20 surgeries on my knees as well as a few on an ankle. I also in the past two years have developed lower back pain which is the more debilitating of any other causes. I've seen an MRI that clearly shows a narrowing on the spinal column but have had different diagnoses from different DR's. It's a very rare instance when I do not feel substantial pain in my lower left back as well as a NASTY burning sensation in my left buttock.

I also have suffered withe anxiety and some NASTY panic attacks, that date back to just after I was in the loma prieta 1989 earthquake. It was the only game I didn't go to (I have season tickets for years thanks to my company). The earthquake itself didn't really frighten me. It was so short that all I remember was being AWED, but the aftershocks started to really mess me up. And I was sent by my company to a clinic against my will. But after the first ten minutes I gathered the treatment was going to consist of some strong tranks! Wouldn't have been bitchy about going if they'd said I'd get some great drugs...

This was late 1989 and I think they gave me xanax and klonopin. Worked pretty good, I took the klonopin 3 times a day and took the xanax "as needed" I needed a lot of it. Mostly legit as even a loud car stereo bass from a mile away would cause me great anxiety. Anyway I reached a point where I was using the drugs not just for the reasons they were prescribed . I was cut off, went through a short but very effect rehab and "learned to live with it. Mostly anyway.

I don't know how describe to this forum or any dr the LEVEL of my pain "O na scale of 1 to 10"...

Perhaps describing some of the changes i have noticed would better describe my pain.

I got a "shower bench" two weeks ago along with a fancy two headed shower head where on is on a hose and one shower head can be handheld. The truth is I haven't really figured out how to best use it. But I hurt so badly there were many day I didn't go to work because the pain of bathing and then dressing was just too much to bear. That sounds SO LAME! But I've gone through a lot of things that others seem to think were very painful but this stuff was BAD. I don't know how this forum feels about links to products off an Amazon link so I'll just describe it as an AnaBath 4 inch dual head shower. It cost me $70 but I got free shipping even though 'm in Alaska. And The company was VERY kind answering e-mails as I described my difficulties and what I hoped their product would be able to do to help. They even made some videos for me which I then posted with their permission on the Amazon site.

When I got that bench and the Anabath product I immediately went upstairs to my main bathroom and installed it. And it was WONDERFUL. I actually sat under the thing till the water started getting cooler. And I don't think I STUNK anymore!

For some years my sleep has been confined to a maximum of MAYBE an hour at at time until either my anxiety of my pain woke me. So to get about 5 hours of sleep I go to bed around 8PM and get up around 9AM. I've been given two new drugs, one was Ativan which I was given in the hospital but that has been changed to 1mg Klonopin's taken in the morning and in the night.

I admit to enjoying the effect of taking ativan when I took my Oxy pain pills.But don't seem to get any additional euphoric affects from the klonopin.

Anway twice in the past month I've been found out drinking ETOH because I went to the ER for other stuff but answered their questions honestly.MY Dr had refusedto refill my Ativan RX and I tried to used ETOH to take the edge off. Doesn't work well! ANd Turns out even way the heck up here in Alaska they have some kind to computerized system that ensures all of your DR,s find out about what you've been up to. I told my pain clinic before they found out but it didn't set well. They were worried I'd kill myself and that publicity would not enhance their clinics reputation.

So instead of monthly appts. I was put on two week intervals.

On August 5th my Father died in Scottsdale. I was not allowed to speak to him in the final days as he was being kept on high dosages of Morphine etc. I was blesses by sneaking through the staff at the hospice center they had created in one of his homes bedrooms. And three days before he passed go to talk to him while he was pretty lucid. Just typing this has me in tears. I've been told a real man would not still be so emotional but I am and if I'm not a "real man" I don't give a fuck. My father was a VERY successful trial attorney. And what he TAUGHT among other things, was money doesn't buy true happiness. And compassion and empathy to ALL other living creatures formed the essence of a philosophy in his life that he hoped to pass on to me. I HAVE made a sincere effort to incorporate those thoughts into my daily life. I live in Alaska because originally it was a lot easier and cheaper to get to places where I could murder Bears, Goats, and Moose for instance. I sold all of my mounts and donated the proceeds to some places that would SHOCK a lot of my buddies. I still eat meat because I've been weak and not had the will power to stop. But in a perfect world I'd not eat anything that could have smiled, or felt the pain of losing a child, etc. It's still a goal of mine to become vegetarian, not vegan, but not someone who drives through the golden arches every week. I've even been nuts enough to catch bugs including spiders that have found their way into my home and then going to some effort at placing them outside where they have a good chance of survival.

But having him die while I was in the throes of the worst pain of my life was difficult.

I wanted to ask the shrink today for some of that good benzos that enhanced my high, but found no way to do so. He won't be my regular shrink, I can't afford one but he's going to report to my GP about our talks and I think I'm going to be lucky to have another prescription of Klonopin after this one runs out.

And while I usually do a pretty good job of using my pain meds as I ought to I am now 15 down from where I should be. When my Dad dies and my pain increased I "gave myself some leeway" I'm thinking of trying to go cold turkey this weekend. My next appt. with my pain clinic is the 22cnd. If I was successful I could go back to taking the 8 a day I'm currently allowed.My Dr has said she'd rather I was on ocxycontin instead of my Percocet its so very much more expensive. I'm right up against the wall when it come to taking acetodeath. And I admit I sometime take 4 at a time instead of my two and I enjoy the high I get. Grapefruit juice and tums along with cimetidine I buy at Wal-mart for 4.99 for sixty tablets have helped potentate the high. I think...

I have tried to "come clean" with anyone on this forum. I certainly don't have the cojones to tell my DR's!

A couple of questions, how can I continue getting the Percs or something else that helps pain as well but can get me as high as it does or even higher. I understand even if I cold afford them oxycontin are REALLY hard to get high on.

And any tips on how I can do a better job at limiting my pain!

Sorry my three hours are up and I'm starting to hurt again.

I'm pretty sure I've babbled here. But I am also pretty sure I've been honest about my situation

I will value any and all replies..
 
Last edited:
OxyContin WILL give you the same effects as Percocet, minus the nasty liver damage from Tylenol. I don't know how expensive it is though, comparatively. Perhaps another ER opiate that is available in generic form?

Refusing to refill your benzos is dangerous, as the withdrawal can be deadly. You should find a new doc if possible and at least get on a taper.

I wish I could help more. On a side note, I love your name, man. The king salmon is one of my favorite fish to catch, but I'm a catch and release guy. Can't stand to kill those majestic beasts. Good luck man. This is a great place, and hopefully someone will have more info for you.
 
I just looked at my xrays today from the big trauma incident 2 years ago. I was in wrong place wrong time, shot 3X in the thigh over mistaken identity. Had them for soo long but couldn't look. Its soooo ugly inside my leg looool it hard to describe. They have post and pre op xrays with pics of everything. Each page says Trauma on top lol ya it looks real bad. Somehow they piece me back together with tons of hardware-titanium rods,plates,screws. The pre op xray is freakin insane. I would post it up but theres very clear pics of my junk all over because its torso scans. Any doctor outside of NY would throw pain meds at me. It took a long time just too look at these but its amazing how far I came in 2 years. Still the pain is never ending, nerve damage, muscle, internal scars, calcium mass. Sometimes I really want to go back on pain meds, specially after seeing these pics. Today I'm soo soar from yestrday and slept weird. Its an everyday battle not to go out and get pain meds but trying hard to stay off.
 
Hi, Benny. No, the patches aren't going to do shit for your post-op pain if that's what you use all the time. If you're concerned, contact the anesthesiologist prior to your surgery and see what he recommends. If needed, he can talk to the surgeon about proper management of your pain.

Sorry to hear you're in pain, Rod :( With the nerve damage, you don't take any gabapentin or pregabalin?
 
I think benny goes in today for his surgery, hopefully goes well for him and not painful. Let us know how you making out when feeling beter.

I don't take anything anymore accept nsaids and I have some Voltoran gel from an ex gf lol. Its day by day. Sometimes I feel crippled, and other days go stomping thru the streets again. I can't get those images out of my head now, probably shouldn't have looked. Now I just want pain meds but trying not to go thru that again. I have issues with them, take too much because super high tolerant. It turns into a problem every time so I just deal with it for now. I know when I reach late 40s-50s pain meds going to be manditory for me. Hopefully those snail venom pills are ready for me, I going to need something strong. The nerve damage just feels weird, not a big problem yet. Its all numb, no feeling from hip to knee on the skin or surface. Inside the leg is the skeletal disaster area of pain.
 
I leave for my surgery in 2 hours. I talked to the doc about post-op pain yesterday and really told her my concerns. She told me that her primary goal in terms of pain management is to keep me in the hospital until my pain is being covered by ORAL medication, not the patch. She says it's important for her to know that I will be able to treat my pain quickly. She also said that there really is no concern for immediate post op pain because it's going to be so intense I will be pretty much sedated on pain medication until it's stabilized with oral medication.

I'm actually glad my pain doc isn't going to treat me for this. He under prescribes, and my surgeon actually seems pretty chill. I hope she over prescribes!
 
Before my pain prevented me going out on a river I too was catch and release only. I live in Alaska, paradise just feet from me...
 
That sounds good benny, at least they making arrangements and talking to you about post op. My surgeon was like no problem you walking right outta here tmrw lol. Ya ok, that was the biggest plate of bullshit I ever been served. Sounds like you going to be in lala land with no pain haaha. I wish they did me like that. Good luck and heal up quick. The worst part for me is heading down to the metal meatlocker room before surgery. Its freezing cold and I basically but naked with surgeons pulling out crazy equiptment, drawing all over my leg. I never going back there again, the horrors.
 
Good luck on your surgery Benny; I hope all goes well. What surgery are you having done, exactly?

Somehow my neck got to where I can't tilt it to the left more than about 15 degrees - if that. It got this way last night and woke up in the same state this morning. I took 30 mg of hydrocodone, 600 mg of carbamazepine, 30 mg of temazepam, 150 mg of amitriptyline, and 8 mg of tizanidine to no avail. I have a slight reduction of pain, but not much. Tried an ice pack, some IcyHot topical ointment, and a specially coated 800 mg ibuprofen (can't take the regular ones because of peptic ulcers and other stomach problems. Gonna go by the chiropractor to see if that helps at all (though I fear a neck adjustment will probably make it worse - I've been popping my neck trying to regain mobility, but it hasn't been helping). If anyone has any suggestions to thing I haven't tried yet, they would be greatly appreciated.

Doug
 
kenai_kings, you are so SO SO fortunate to have had a father like that. Yes indeed, you are a "real man" to let us see how you felt about him. And I'm dreadfully sorry that he died when you were in such terrible physical pain at the same time. I'm sorry he died, but glad you got to see him at the end.

Know what you mean about sometimes being in too much pain to shower and change; that's happened to me as well. And I don't know how to help you limit your pain, or get the meds you need, but hey, my next pain appointment is on the 22d as well. I'm doing my usual last-week-of-the-month, ration-the-pills number. I will be thinking of you, Kenai_kings, and hoping that the pain goes away with the sunset.
 
MrsMorphine said:
kenai_kings, you are so SO SO fortunate to have had a father like that. Yes indeed, you are a "real man" to let us see how you felt about him. And I'm dreadfully sorry that he died when you were in such terrible physical pain at the same time. I'm sorry he died, but glad you got to see him at the end.

Know what you mean about sometimes being in too much pain to shower and change; that's happened to me as well. And I don't know how to help you limit your pain, or get the meds you need, but hey, my next pain appointment is on the 22d as well. I'm doing my usual last-week-of-the-month, ration-the-pills number. I will be thinking of you, Kenai_kings, and hoping that the pain goes away with the sunset.
Click to expand...

I wonder how many thousands of us suffer silently during the last week or two of the 30 day supply, underprescribed due to social stigma and personal bias in the corrupt field of pain management in the USA.
 
twotoomany said:
OxyContin WILL give you the same effects as Percocet, minus the nasty liver damage from Tylenol. I don't know how expensive it is though, comparatively. Perhaps another ER opiate that is available in generic form?

Refusing to refill your benzos is dangerous, as the withdrawal can be deadly. You should find a new doc if possible and at least get on a taper.

I wish I could help more. On a side note, I love your name, man. The king salmon is one of my favorite fish to catch, but I'm a catch and release guy. Can't stand to kill those majestic beasts. Good luck man. This is a great place, and hopefully someone will have more info for you.
Click to expand...

From the time I was 4 I used to go into my Denver CO backyard and dig up some worms for bait. I'd the walk a couple of blocks to a little lake and fish for Blue Gills, Perch, And Catfish. I was addicted to it! When I was only a couple of years older my Father took me and my best friends Father took him on a trip to Anchorage Alaska. We got off our jet liner and only an hour or so later loaded all our gear into a float plane and went over to the Bristol Bay area. I think we fished the Alagnak, one of my favorites to this day., and we camped out alongside that magnificent river.
We fished for Rainbows and King Salmon.

But for some time now I am in such pain and an so debilitated I can't go fly fishing on one of those Rivers. I lived most of my Adult life spending a fortune ensuring I'd have a couple of weeks in Alaska. That kid that went in that first trip? He's STILL my best friend and he managed to move up here first. Today he's back in CO, he owns one of the largest undeveloped parcels on the Front Range over Denver. But I followed him up to Alaska after that quake that screwed me up PSTD etc. took out my six month old house overlooking Santa Cruz and Santa Cruz Bay. I figured if I was going to have to put up with THAT shit I'd rather live in Alaska. More seismic activity or not. And so for a few years I lived in PARADISE. I'm less than a two hour drive from some INCREDIBLE fishing on the planet. The Kenai River from Cooper Landing on Down. Google it.

Kings, Reds, Silvers, and RAINBOWS. I don't eat fish so I always release them, unless some friend asked (pleaded) for some Salmon.

http://www.fishalaskamagazine.com/guides/rainbowTrout2.cfm

But now I can no longer get on those rivers. And there have been times I've thought about just killing myself because I lost something I loved so dearly.

I've use something like 15 more Perc's than I should have, not for fun but because I hurt so BADLY. I'm hoping I can not take ANY on Sat and Sun because then I'd be OK numbers wise for my Appt on Thursday

Sorry for whining so much. I know there are a LOT of people worse off than me. I wish I could fly a bunch of the people that frequent the BlueLight Forum up here and then take us out to the REAL Alaska. See Brown Bear from less than 100 feet away and not have to fire a shot..

A couple of years back we were camped on the Alagnak again and one of my buddies said he thought there was something REALLY wrong with my pal.He was out in the River in a PRIMO spot and was casting his fly. And casting, and casting. The fly never hit the water. Finally one of the other guys who'd just flown up to join us a couple of hours early offered me some windowpane Acid. Of course I got a couple of hits and it was then he mentioned my Pal had met him when he docked the Beaver.

Suddenly it became clear he was having a LOT of fun watching the fly and line go up and over etc.

Happy Trails!
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top