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Oh and in addition to still allowing for some abortions (or murders, if you're of that mindset), I don't even think that would hurt abortion #'s, people would just need to drive to a different place - a drive isn't likely to be a big factor when someone's decided on an abortion. If the county idea didn't reduce the total # of abortions (and perhaps even if it did), then how is that really a compromise at all? I don't think the 'pro-lifers' really care where the abortions are being performed. Rather, I think that, since they view it as murder, they're only going to be happy when the government agrees with them and categorizes an abortion with murder. In all honesty I think any 'compromises' in this arena, if feasible, wouldn't really bother choicers, they'd bother lifers. If you honestly believed that the split second a sperm touches an egg, a human life is now existing, then it's murder to you - until the government completely, universally criminalizes it, the gov is essentially still allowing murder, and that's no compromise.


(oh, I didn't even mention the ridiculous logistical challenges behind your proposal of a county by county legislation, how obnoxious would that be!?)
 
They can be mad about it all they want, but there won't be many pro-lifers willing to stand around with their signs in the south side of Chi-town.
 
mulberryman said:
They can be mad about it all they want, but there won't be many pro-lifers willing to stand around with their signs in the south side of Chi-town.
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I think you'd be wrong.

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Its not an accurate analogy for obvious reasons. When the sperm hits the egg it starts a process of exponential growth in the womb and sets off a series of events in the female body. growth happens at every level. when you eat some steak you are taking something and breaking it down. its quite the opposite effect.

but w/e.. you'll probably continue to argue with me even tho I'm not even anti abortion i just think your analogy is stupid.
 
aanallein said:
Its not an accurate analogy for obvious reasons. When the sperm hits the egg it starts a process of exponential growth in the womb and sets off a series of events in the female body. growth happens at every level. when you eat some steak you are taking something and breaking it down. its quite the opposite effect.

but w/e.. you'll probably continue to argue with me even tho I'm not even anti abortion i just think your analogy is stupid.
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Of course I'll continue to argue, I don't see how that renders it inaccurate. I never asserted they created the end result by the same means. Rather, they're common in some very important ways:
- two 'ingredients' that are the core necessities for the end result
- two 'ingredients' that look completely different and become something else at the end
- both examples are completely dependent upon a living human host.

It's just a joke analogy, the main points are what matters, and the fact that poop is made by being broken down / fetus is made by building up doesn't render the analogy inaccurate imo (haha I'm not biased, I swear!)
 
Infernal> in response to your post >> mmh. I guess I would be. :| This is quite disturbing news.

And, perhaps there is no compromise on this issue, after all, but like I've said before, I am a dreamer.

In light of this, there is only one prevailing attidude that can be correct for America today: Fuck the Right Win in all its variations. I guess I'll be registering my vote for Dick Gephardt this year. I stand corrected and now realize I was wrong, there can be no compromise. You're either one of us or one of them. :(

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mulberryman said:
That's the real reason the GOP is against abortion on the whole, because it strips the rights of poor women and allows for more poor people to entice into exploitation of the worst caliber with such ludacrous false promises like how they can "Be all they can be!"
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Instead of rolling your eyes at this statement, why don't you offer debate. The reason is of course, that there is no debate to this truth. The GOP and corporate amerika has one purpose: to make money for themselves. The war is central to their goal. As is perpetuating their system of opression and virtual slavery. They need poor people to reproduce, reproduce, reproduce. Thats why they love this Christian idea of being fruitful and multiplying.

No, there is no debate to any of these truths. The Liberal Progressive Democrats are right and the fascists are wrong and that's that. Any response you may have is moot and pointless, so don't even bother. :|
 
mulberryman said:
Instead of rolling your eyes at this statement, why don't you offer debate. The reason is of course, that there is no debate to this truth. The GOP and corporate amerika has one purpose: to make money for themselves. The war is central to their goal. As is perpetuating their system of opression and virtual slavery. They need poor people to reproduce, reproduce, reproduce. Thats why they love this Christian idea of being fruitful and multiplying.

No, there is no debate to any of these truths. The Liberal Progressive Democrats are right and the fascists are wrong and that's that. Any response you may have is moot and pointless, so don't even bother. :|
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well, I dunno if you want me to respond to it or not, as you seem to be asking for both in that post.

Anyways, why did I just roll my eyes instead of responding? Because you said:
mulberryman said:
That's the real reason the GOP is against abortion on the whole, because it strips the rights of poor women and allows for more poor people to entice into exploitation of the worst caliber with such ludacrous false promises like how they can "Be all they can be!"
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You're asserting that, contrary to popular belief, GOP opposition to abortion has nothing to do with believing that abortion is murder, and is in fact a diabolical, secret plan to keep the corrupt corporate war machine complex alive. Once again...... 8)

I'm honestly really tired of walking through your conspiracy theories and explaining them to you, watching you admit defeat, and then hopping back in a day or two later with the same ole crap you always post (do you not find yourself similar to a broken record? Hell, even in this thread you've already tried introducing the fucking healthcare issue again). So, any points that are quasi-coherent and not riddled with speculation and conspiracy theories I will try to address. Crap like that post I will not, and if it's as lame as the quoted text, I may just roll my eyes at ya.


aanallein said:
I think you're getting defensive. The two processes are about as different as you can get in the fact that they are almost completely F'ing opposite in nature. But ok. You can continue to act as if eating a meal is the same as conceiving.8)

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/51/40790.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion

OMGZ THEY ARE LIKE TEH SAME!!
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I am getting defensive, I love my analogy! lol whatever to each his own, some people like it and others dislike it.. !!!! Out of curiousity, are you a girl? Please, please do not take that the wrong way, it's just that so far the negative/neutral responses to that analogy have all come from girls. I'm not inferring anything, and if you're a guy I'm not in the least trying to insinuate anything about you - I have no idea what your gender is. I just think it'd be funny if that trend continued. I've probably heard like 8 feedbacks on that analogy between the web and real life, and neutral/negative feedback has been unanimously female.
 
I'm a guy. I just find it fundamentally flawed biologically. (ironic given my position in other threads I guess) If you came up with another analogy that I felt was biologically sensible than I wouldn't hesitate to agree.
 
It's an anology, it doesn't have to be biologically identical to be a good analogy. You can make analogies about stuff that is completely different and still have a very valid analogy if the main points you're making work together. Let me play devil's advocate - let's just assume that shit, instead of being a breakdown process, was instead a buildup process. Would that all of a sudden make the analogy work better in your eyes, because now they're both being built up? Even if both end results were the product of a buildup/growth, and not a breaking down, there'd still be a million other biological differences that you could point to, and say "that's inaccurate because this biological pathway is totally different". Until my analogy was comparing conception of a fetus to conception of a fetus (at which point it's no longer an analogy), there will *always* be something you can bring up as a difference and call it inaccurate based upon that.
Whatever tho, I like my analogy and you don't, no biggie.
 
Yep no biggy. But building up is a HUGE aspect of conception. Its basically the entire thing! two human beings combine their sex cells and a chain reaction begins that results in a growing embryo. Meat getting broken down is crazy different.
 
haha I know it is and disagree that it affects its accuracy as a good analogy. It's all good, agree to disagree!
 
Women have abortions whether they're legal or not. The compromise is making them legal and safe.
Study - I realize this compares countries, but look at the unsafe numbers. Unacceptable imo.
 
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Worldwide, one in five pregnancies ends in abortion, and nine out of 10 women will have an abortion before age 45.
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wow 9 of 10.. didn't realize it was so high.
 
The article QE posted, although that's a worldwide figure- not US specific.

The vast majority of abortions — 35 million — were in the developing world. And nearly 97 percent of all unsafe abortions were in poor countries. Worldwide, one in five pregnancies ends in abortion, and nine out of 10 women will have an abortion before age 45.

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thanks. i must be missing something. 90% of women will have an abortion by 45. that is billions of abortions. even if you crudely multiply the yearly figures, you don't get that number.

alasdair
 
If you times 35,000,000 by 45 you get 1,575,000,000- That's roughly shy of half the worlds population, no? I could be wrong, maths was never my strong point =D
 
I don't think itas that hard to understand at all, and a far better set of comparasons that some, albeit hilariously funny, touche', joke about shit forming in the intestines. The GOP has no right to call abrotion murder. They are murderers and their war is an evil that deserves punishment on the order of what the Nazis recieved after WWII in the very least.

Its pretty simple really. They are a cold hearltess party who believes that those who cannot support themselves have no right to be among the living, and yet for some reason they just looooooooove babies? Please.
 
The problem is that there is no good comprimise. If you are truly pro-life then you arent going to allow any abortions, and if you are truly pro-choice then you want abortions. I'm a libertarian myself so I am all about indiviuals rights, but I'm still pro-life. Essentially the only real debate is whether or not the unborn child has rights, which in my opinion they do.
 
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