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Taxing Ourselves to Death

This past week, Congress had an opportunity to permanently repeal the death tax by amending the Tax Collection Responsibility Act of 2007 to include language that ends the estate tax forever. This would have been a good provision in an overall bad bill. 212 Democrats were enough to keep this spectre looming on the horizon if the Bush tax cuts are not renewed in 2011. The bill passed without this silver lining and now we face big in increases taxes and penalties in the next five years.

The underlying attitude behind this bill, and the estate tax, is what I find so distressing about tax policy in this country today - that being a growing disregard for property rights, which are so important to the American dream.

The basic tenets of the American dream are that through hard work and ingenuity, you can earn a better life for yourself, and you can give your children a better start than you had. Surveying American history this vision has played out through steady economic progress and growth from one generation to the next. Our prosperity now is our reward for hard work and achievement in the past. Today we are the strongest economy in the world, and have much to be proud of, but Congress doesn’t seem to understand that we did not tax our way here.

Conversely, a nation certainly can tax its way out of prosperity, and that’s one danger I see with this bill, and with policies like the death tax.

The death tax punishes one of the greatest and ultimate satisfactions of achieving the American dream – the knowledge that your life’s work is an investment in your family’s future. Instead of being able to focus on hard work, however, death tax provisions keep countless estate planners working countless hours helping Americans negotiate through complicated tax laws just to keep the fruits of their life’s work out of the squandering hands of government.

Other anti-property rights provisions in the Tax Collection Responsibility Act make desperate last attempts to extract the most amount of revenue possible from expatriots on their way out the door. A telling signal that a country is taxing itself to death is capital flight and expatriation. When successful Americans no longer feel their property is secure from government thieves, and they have too much to lose by staying, they vote with their feet and go elsewhere. This country is poorer for the loss of that citizen’s investment here, but it is their right to keep and enjoy what they have built up. How dare Congress or the IRS try to deny them that? And what message does that send to the next generation of young entrepreneurs?

It is troubling to me that this country is chasing away wealth, while entitlements recklessly grow. The power to tax is the power to destroy, and we are making strides towards destroying prosperity but expanding the welfare state. This is a dangerous and untenable trend.

186 Republicans and 10 Democrats voted with me last week to kill the Death Tax. It is my hope that we will get another chance in the future to end this punitive and un-American tax for good.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst101407.htm
 
foodisgood said:
Not to sound like a bitch but too bad. Guess what, life can suck. Just because you screw up doesnt give you a pass to punish your child for your mistake.
You don't sound like a bitch at all, you just feel differently about when life/rights begin than I do and there's nothing wrong with that. My opinion is clearly that the child does not have rights until a certain point, and abortion is not bad. Different strokes for different folks, it's okay to disagree - where you think it's punishing the child, I do not.
 
bingalpaws said:
You don't sound like a bitch at all, you just feel differently about when life/rights begin than I do and there's nothing wrong with that. My opinion is clearly that the child does not have rights until a certain point, and abortion is not bad. Different strokes for different folks, it's okay to disagree - where you think it's punishing the child, I do not.

we'll just agree to disagree then. Anyway I'm pretty sure we've strayed off topic. Im surprised a mod hasnt said anything.
 
not off topic if you guys started the abortion thing from a ron paul perspective, I dunno I just popped in to correct that, lest a bl'er blow someone away in their home when they weren't in danger because they thought it was open season everywhere in the country if someone's in your house.

And agree to disagree on that topic, at least in this thread lol. There is another abortion thread somewhere in ce&p that I've been in on this topic that's kinda died, but if you wanted to continue I'm subscribed.
 
yeah i really think the two would balance out the things i don't like about either, and really focus on the similarities that make them both popular.

And talk about bridging the gap between the left and right of this country, while having two anti-corporatism canidates.

Yeah, that's my political wet dream right there.
 
yeah i really think the two would balance out the things i don't like about either, and really focus on the similarities that make them both popular.

And talk about bridging the gap between the left and right of this country, while having two anti-corporatism canidates.

Yeah, that's my political wet dream right there.

I completely agree. It would be an amazing ticket.

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^I've wondered the same. That's the only thing that has stopped me from tossing RP a few bones.
 
From the T+C's for donations on the RP website:

2. I am a United States citizen or a lawfully-admitted permanent resident. If a foreign national, I have permanent resident status and hold a green card.

:(

Maybe we should just purchase some ron paul merchandise?
 
Sheeeet... We can't even buy the merchandise :(

This is from the registration form for their online store

Federal law requires all online contributors to confirm that the following statements are true and accurate. If you cannot confirm each statement, you are not eligible to contribute to the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee.

I confirm that each of the following statements are true and accurate

1. This contribution is made on a personal credit or debit card for which I have the legal obligation to pay, and is made neither on a corporate nor business entity card nor on the card of another.
2. I am a United States citizen or a lawfully-admitted permanent resident.
3. I am making this contribution with my own personal funds, and I will not be reimbursed by anyone for this contribution.
4. I am not a federal government contractor.
5. I am at least 18 years of age.

Those hats look nice too... :(

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From what they're talking about on the tele lately, apparently anyone can register to vote in New York state without verifying citizenship or social security numbers.. and in a border state too... ;)
 
foodisgood said:
Not to sound like a bitch but too bad. Guess what, life can suck. Just because you screw up doesnt give you a pass to punish your child for your mistake.

Ha! Imagine that, women having babies because... well, because.. LIFE SUCKS!... Oh, the irony....
 
atlas said:
ya, remove him form office and make Cheney president 8) The administration wouldn't miss a beat.

Bush is a high value target, but Cheney is our white whale, our ace of spades.

Yes, we just keep assuming there will still be an election...

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Who's to say that Rudy really was part of their plan all along.
 
How bout those of you outside the US find a friend in the US that might support Ron Paul. Then send your US citizen buddy a financial gift. ;)
 
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