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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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shn()z said:
I'm a little surprised to see the common (approaching universal) theme that redosing methylone is worthless. I've now gotten a few experiences under my belt, and I definitely feel it when I take a second (or even a third) booster dose. (I did take a fourth dose once, and that did indeed appear to have no effect.)

While the empathogenic quality is definitely lower than from the initial dose, it still feels good to take a supplemental dose about 90 minutes in. (I've found that an initial 250mg followed by 150mg an hour and a half later is a nice fit.) I feel an extension (or return) of the euphoria, nystagmus, etc.

Yet I see many people say that even a single booster dose has no effect whatsoever. I wonder if it has anything to do with drug cross-tolerance---I had not used MDMA for over 13 years before I tried methylone. (I'm only guessing that there must be cross-tolerance between MDMA and M1, since at least for me, they ring so many of the same neural bells.)
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I think it is a little bit of a misrepresentation of the total public here on the PD forum. I would guess there is more redosing going on than is represented here. I do not think it is a cross-tolerance thing. Rather, I think the answer is in your post. Most here are after the empathogenic qualities of bk-MDMA, rather than the stimulated drug-like effects (btw, the nystagmus, jaw grinding, and other stimulated effects were the exact effects Shulgin was trying to synth OUT of MDMA).

In addition, there is good reason to think that it is very possible that redosing increases neurotoxicity (as this is the case with MDMA). Regardless, it is obvious that with most people's biochemistry, redosing carries more negatives than positives. It seems like with empathogens, one modest dose, all at once, is best if one is looking to minimize the comedown/long-term negative effects.

YMMV.
 
Xorkoth said:
That's great to hear :)

How is ethylone, by the way? I've only ever recall reading one report, and it claimed it was weak and transparent as far as I can remember.
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hard to describe really. Clearer but no less pleasurable. perhaps I feel even more verbally eloquent on it and intellectually sharp, while it is emotionally as opening, and there's "butterflies" too - but physically quite different nonetheless. More earthy than fluffy if that makes any sense. Butylone, on he other hand, is werider, more colourful, mor marshmallowy than the other two ( for me anyway) and a bit more with the pleasant physical/visual vibe of, say, 2C-i and MDA - very pleasant borderline synaesthesia and such. Shame those two aren't widely available like their M-cousin... they make great combos and also make for yet another fun night when repeating the same ride (M1) again might be a bit of 'been-here-before' .

Right now I'd say ethylone is my f avourite of the three... since it feel sos earthy and vision is sharp and crystal-clear not unlike on 10mg vinpocetine (mild colour enhancement) I enjoyed it loads on a walk through fields and forest...
 
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You've definitely made me want to try ethylone, and even moreso, butylone. Now I can add it to my endless list of chemical desires... 8o

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djfriendly said:
My wife's report is one of the few available on Erowid
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Well then, I've definitely read it. It didn't make me particularly want to try it, however. Now the butylone report I remember from Erowid is a different story.
 
^ The wife and I hated bk-MDBD. Big MDxx like comeup, and then - nothing, basically. It was also tried as a methylone booster and provided dysphoric effects in that regard. The remainder was happily given away except a small sample for the archives. Obviously ymmv.

ps the report you read was intentionally written so as not to encourage a zillion cluebies to go seeking bk-MDEA. The report was not even submitted to Erowid until the product was essentially gone from the market.


re: redosing: We usually take a booster at about t+1.5h from the inititial ingestion. It's somewhat effective when taken this early (and even more so if taken with a good adjunct such as bk-MDEA) at delaying the comedown. Any boosters after this are useless unless the aim is insomnia.
 
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OK OK I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE

bluelighters , i feel like such a loser/noob/dumbass for what i did - but i indeed learned/am learning my lesson.

i have been abusing methylone's power for the dark side

wednesday i did 1 gram in 12 hours starting at noon, then today 1 gram in 4 hours - thurs. this is also with mdpv every hour

i guess i was trying to make best of my winter break 8)

and you guys can bet im still wired (i know i know i am a idiot). i haven't slept in 48 hours yet, so i am getting a kind of amphetamine , psychotic paranoid type thing, i dont know. i would like to add though the exp. was heavenly - but the comedown nasty. and i think i prob damaged some synapses

i should of listened to the dozens of people about starting low on these drugs. omfg there is absolutely no need to take that much, am i that childish, and greedy? i mean thats just gluttony, wasting. well anyways just wanted to vent a little cause i am mad at myself

but i dont know - it is so SIMILAR to mdma for me - well cause it is, but alot of people are seeming to be saying that theyre not disliking it, but it doesnt make them feel near as good as mdma. well when i was taking extreme, careless doses, it blew mdma out of the water

but i mean duh, cause i was basically overdosing on the stuff
 
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Ximot said:
Really? I've tried methylone without cannabis only a few times (and lots of times with cannabis) but wasn't aware of any difference, to be honest.. I think one day I will try again and watch how I feel carefully. You might be right - cannabis dulls most any state of consciousness... except tripping, which tends to get far more visual and intense, even if weirder and less controllable.
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Yes, when taken as a combo both cannabis and methylone effects are dulled. That's in a way good since I don't feel the cannabis "strangeness" (i.e. headtrips) that I usually dislike alot, either.

Hmm, maybe the beer "high" has a little methylone tinge nowadays. At least I can easily feel or imagine the methylone coming up just looking at my methylone bag :)
 
Hellman said:
Yes, when taken as a combo both cannabis and methylone effects are dulled. That's in a way good since I don't feel the cannabis "strangeness" (i.e. headtrips) that I usually dislike alot, either.

Hmm, maybe the beer "high" has a little methylone tinge nowadays. At least I can easily feel or imagine the methylone coming up just looking at my methylone bag :)
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Funny that you say that, because I used to notice how drinking a couple pints often felt almost like coming up on an E, especially if I'd been exercising shortly beforehand.
 
I always wondered how anyone can take cannabis with stimulants and not feel like their heart is going to explode (and believe me, my intake is usually limited to 3 or 4 puffs from a bowl, less than 10 times a year).
 
Tolerance to the tachycardia that cannabis produces does occur, as a daily pot smoker I have monitored my heartrate when smoking and it does not seem to increase anymore than if I were to just hold my breath. But I know when I first started smoking, my heart would race.

I guess it is an issue of tolerance.
 
I did around 215 mg of methylone about a week ago, alone. I ingested it on an empty stomach and eventually it kicked in. It wasn't feeling as strong as I thought it should be so I smoked a smallish joint and the effects of the drug were increased immensely. Very much like when I smoke dope on MDMA. I went into my room and just listened to music, thought about life, my relationships, wrote some stuff down, drew some pictures.

Overall it was incredible. The methylone enabled me to get into a very clear and open headspace where I was able to look at myself with empathy. Before I smoked the joint there were minor perceptual differences but the weed definetly added a visual aspect similar to MDMA. I could see geometric patterns and my whole vision would start to wiggle if I unfocused my mind enough... very beautiful. I had tried methylone previous to this but the setting was at a busy show with music I didnt even like. The experience was restless in general and not revealing whatsoever. I found my second time around to be FAR more fufilling and I definetly discovered the potential of the substance. It's beautiful and I feel like its more personal than MDMA in the sense that I was able to guide myself to actually explore myself in the ways I wanted to as opposed to the forcefulness of the MDMA experience.

I am really looking forward to my next methylone experience. I may try it with a good friend, or just go at it alone again. Either will be nice. I also feel like my experience with methylone has induced some lasting positive effects in my life. It opened me up in a way that I still to this day us to help me get through social situations and I feel that the therapeutic effects of this drug are immense. Its a subtle drug but I feel personal explorations are a subtle thing.

Peace %)
 
That was an excellent report! It would be great if you would consider fleshing it out to a full trip report. Anyways, thanks for sharing. :)
 
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I've been searching for this answer but can come up with nothing conclusive. What is the relative strength of methylone's agonist properties (i.e. compared to MDMA). Not a lot of research done on methylone.

MDMA is an antagonist (of course) and also an agonist of HT1 and HT2 (and also D receptors?). It is also a partial/weak agonist of acetylcholine muscarinic receptors. One theory of MDMA neurotoxicity has something to do with the combination of the antagonist/agonist properties.
 
PappaKeno said:
I got 2g's of Methylone now. Never tried it before. A good first time dose, anyone?
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From what I gathered by reading this thread (funny how much info on M1 is contained in the Big and Dandy M1 thread) is that anything under 175mg will not get you there.

I would take half of that if it were my first time, but that's just me.
 
if you know for definate it is 2gram then split it into ten equal lines,, if u have a milligram scale i would go for 190mg your first time, may as well do it properly, i would suggest trying 50mg nasally a few days before this to see if you are extra sensitive. its always sensible :)
 
i have heard Xorkoth or Ximot say that they can get off on as little as 50mg, i have tried this but only got threshold effects if that :\ 200mg was where i found the sweet spot:) ;) :D
 
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