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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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samadhi_smiles said:
103mg of methylone was QUITE enough for a full +++.....2CB was almost completely devoid of any deep cognitive states for me. I had psychedelic thoughts of being a snake and a bird, but there was no challenging material that has already been felt on 2CE (which has yet to be brought to a FULL +++). 2CB was just a really fun ride (which feels amazing, bodywise).

Methylone however allowed me to open up to and accept something that has been bothering me on and off for the past few months.

Love! <3
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Wow, 103mg would do little for me. I agree with your assessment of 2C-B. That is pretty much what I think of it...although it was glorious with MDMA. Never tried it with M1.
 
Well, my first expereinces with m1 are very very promising.

As I said above, I took 175mg last night, it was a very steady, constant high, I topped up with 100mg later and this prolonged it to an extent but probably wasn't worth it.

Today, I struggled a bit to get out of bed, but for the rest of the day I have definitely had a raised mood and it was a very enjoyable day.

Tonight, I did 200mg, and the comeup was very different, it was more intense when it hit me, very pleasant, a bit intense actually, surprisingly so. It has now settled down, but feels great. I am craving to do some more but will probably resist.

I am definitely going to be getting some more of this - it will be interesting to see if I have any adverse reaction in the next couple of days, I have suffered quite badly from mdma in the past.

Couple more points - teeth grinding is particularly prominent, I was subconsciously doing it in bed this morning.

Also, I can completely sympathise with people who reckon it has addictiveness potential - I have been gagging to do some all day today.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
..btw, the nystagmus, jaw grinding, and other stimulated effects were the exact effects Shulgin was trying to synth OUT of MDMA..
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nada rylnym said:
I am not sure this is entirely accurate. where do you get that idea?
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samadhi_smiles said:
Hmm..in an 'ask shulgin' (maybe). There was mention that these periphreal effects were quite hard on the body and not generally indicated for therapy setting. If one could have the emotional opening of MDMA without the wild physical effects one would have the perfect therapy drug.
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no offense, but there is enough misinformation on the web especially about drugs..I can't let this one go w/ out comment. Shulgin was not trying to synth anything out of MDMA, as you say. since this is one of those Big and Goofy threads that ends up as getting quoted as gospel I feel compelled to call BS on that specific point. sure, it sounds good. but its not accurate. even if that is how methylone came about bruxia and stimulation are very much in evidence with methylone. its nice and romantic, but untrue.

peace out.
 
Actually I recall somewhere in PIHKAL him saying that one of the materials he was evaluating was hoped to have the properties of MDMA without the side-effects. I definitely remember reading something like that in the text somewhere.
 
STOMP STOMP STOMP

No... just here to remind you all that this is the methylone thread, so keep it on track...
 
ok ok ok srsly bluelighters you are my only listeners and friends right now


ok let me begin - i think by reading my past posts up to this point you can see that i am slowly becoming addicted to this stuff



ok - so sat i got a new shipment and was relieved , because i could now finish off what i had left of the old


so ok - i took about 475+ mg's tonite - i know i am so stupid - but i thought the tolerance, and cause i am hardheaded when it comes to this stuff -


so here i am now - freaking


i took about 450 mg at 11:46 p.m. eastern time - kicked in at approx. 12:15a.m. eastern


ok - the stuff usually hits me pretty fast- like witin 20 minutes


ok now guys i cannot stress this enough - it hit me like a ton of bricks - i could barely talk, let alone stand up


i was expecting the mellowness of the come up from this substance - but i swear the intense come up i am feeling is rivaling my first few pure mdma exp.'s


i guess when u take enough huh? ok , i have enough sense, and exp. to check vitals appropriatly. so no real trouble. but it is so similar to the harsh pure mdma come up i get when i am sure i am going to die- but after that 10 minutes you are pushed into euphoria where u just dont care, and are relived



i dont know why i am typing this


but i havent heard so far of a ridiculously large methylone dosage and just wanted to share


but i swear to u guys - the come up this time , was just as scarly strong as mdma


and i cant stress the similarity of mdma, it rivals my molly exp's - its not exactly the same - but i swear the intensity, and euphoria is almost identical - i guess so when your practically od'ing on the stuff

i swear



but i wrote this about 10 mintues ago - so the come up is over and now i am just feeling good- but i swear i can barely move



now church i am sorry, cause i know the rules - but i am confused right now- and i know it is very disrespectful to post when you are intoxicated - and also i know this should go in trip reports - i am sorry, and i mean it




lastly i would like to add - this has overly indeed gived me the fix - my addiction to the stuff is fulfiilled right now - like i dont need to do this for a year at least, if ever again.


thanks for listening

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ok - it is now 3:15a.m. - and it is still going strong - well not strong strong - but definatly euphoric, and feeling really good, just not as extreme - i find this odd, because this is coming up on the 4th hour, so it is really similar to an mdma roll - but like i said, anythings possible when you take this ridiculous amount

on another note - i really wonder why redosing doesn't seem to work that well

i have done my share of redosing just because i was greedy - but not these past few times cause i have learned my lesson, which has caused me to stilll have a healthy supply left over

i know some people say redosing works - im not arguing with you

i am in the boat that it does work - but not in the way you want to

for instance it just keeps me stimulated for a while longer, with out increasing the euphoria - but it does maintain the lite coming down weaker euphoria for a while longer, if you know what i mean - the main thing it does is just give you the feeling that you are definatly intoxocated - like not really high, but your definatly not sober at all - i dont really know how to say it - but like i said i learned my lesson, and have saved alot of m1 from going to waste.

but i just want to know what causes it to suck so bad when redosing? anyone have an idea - it doesnt really make biological sense to me
 
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^ It's okay, dude. Just don't start posting a long daisy-chain of "I'm tripping right now" posts and it'll be alright. I hope you will be alright... :\
 
Melange... I hope your addiction really is halted, because methylone would be a really expensive addiction. I once took as much as you did but not all at once... I started with 250mg (rectally, on the 3rd day in a row so I had tolerance), and then redosed 100mg twice. I was totally fine and it was a great experience, but since then I haven't gotten any more methylone because I get really compulsed to do it day after day until it's gone. It's very hard to resist, especially because it works every time, although slightly less intense each subsequent day.
 
I agree, melange. You seem to be dealing with an addiction that might possibly have some of the consiquesnces of both amphetamine and MDMA addiction.

To update everyone:

This evening (6 hours ago-ish) I took 50mg Methylone with a friend, who took 150mg. He wanted a low-medium dose, so we settled on this. He did not seem to "break through" (no trademark entactogen smile), but he DID find it VERY useful and was able to work through loads of issues. Note this was his first time on methylone, and my second. Most of you are probably familiar with my past experiements - as for my friends', he has sampled a number a 2Cs and (iso)Propylated tryptamines. Also a couple of MDMA and 4-FA sessions, the latter of which he found much more useful than I. He has more experience with Psilocybin than I do.

I took the 50mg simply to get on his wavelength - I generally don't need to take empathogens to deal with people who are on them.

50mg of Methylone, to me, felt identical to me to a medium dose of Methcathinone (can't tell you exact doses, it was way too long ago). There is amphetamine-like stimulation, but it is scattered rather than focussed. There is slight "comfort" but no euphoria or empatho/entactogenesis to speak of. Towards the end, what little "comfort" that was there went away and stimulation persisted, so I shut it up with a valium because I'm not in the mood for methcathinone bullshit ;). (and I never am). The experience itself was very rewarding for me, simple being there as a reflective listener for my friend (we have engaged in psychedelic therapy-oriented sessions before with MDMA and 2C-D (and an "incomplete" DPT attempt).

Interestingly enough, at this dose there is no "fiending" at all. My friend, although did not break through, also does not seem to want to take more, and I am happy about this. Perhaps the fiending is a result of an initial giving in to redosing?

I will be in contact with him tomorrow and shall update you on both our states...
 
I can't say that i felt anything from methylone until at least 100mg.
The good thing about methylone is that if used regularly, one would probably be so tolerant to it that it would not work at any dose. For me the only way to use it one solid dose, followed by something else. 2Cs are good chasers, esp. 2CE or 2CI, but tryptamines are less pleasant, seeming to enhance the methylone comedown rather than redirecting it. Fortunately for melange, methylone seems to be relatively safe, albeit overwhelming, even at high doses. My usual dose is 250-300 mg and very infrequently, then put the rest away somewhere where it is difficult to get at until after it wears off. This prevents compulsive redosing to chase the high, which is a complete waste of a very expensive molecule. In this way, I like it much better than MDMA, though they are both worthwhile, unique, and different from each other. Methylone also seems to need some abstination in between to appreciate the full breadth of the experience.
 
I just took 175mg of Methylone for the first time about an hour ago. I still feel no affect what so ever, i took it directly after a meal (kinda stupid, yes) but how long should it take before i can feel the effects? I took it orally by the way.
 
Next time don't take it after a meal... methylone starts to come up in 15 minutes usually. I generally reach a peak by 30-45 minutes. It's very fast.
 
Xorkoth said:
Next time don't take it after a meal... methylone starts to come up in 15 minutes usually. I generally reach a peak by 30-45 minutes. It's very fast.
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Yes, that is true. It comes up quite fast. But still, the meal shouldn't "eat" the methylone, right? You should be able to feel it sooner or later.
 
Thanks for your answer. Well, im starting to feel a little bit now, but not much. I guess i need to up the dosage next time. Or is methylone ok to redose with?

Btw, 200mg is quite a bit to insufflate. But is snorting a recommended method with methylone?
 
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snorting works fine. You'll probably be all right snorting 100mg on top of that.not the most painful snort either, and the drip is acceptable. :)
 
Ximot said:
snorting works fine. You'll probably be all right snorting 100mg on top of that.not the most painful snort either, and the drip is acceptable. :)
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Yea, i snorted it just a while ago in an attempt to "start" the action. It didnt hurt a bit really, and the drip is quite nice. I've tride a LOT of RC's that fucking kills your nose and throat. 2C-B is one, 5-MeO-DMT is another that hurts as fuck, for me.
 
Redosing is not very effective for me but some people find that it works for them. 175mg should be enough for a decent experience with some good euphoria, although my favorite dose is 175-200mg rectally, which is equal in power to about 250-275mg orally. But 175mg should have done something very noticeable. My guess is the food in your stomach absorbed a lot of the methylone, and by the time you were able to digest it, it was too late to get much of an effect from it.
 
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