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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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shinsou said:
I love MDMA - alot! But I have a problem that I hope methylone can fix; when i'm on MDMA I almost feel sedated and i can hardly stand up because of the heavy bodyload it gives me. Besides i look completely retarted when rolling(eyes completely screwed, really bad jaw-clench) - so retarded that most people think there's something really wrong with me. Those 2 things combined makes partying on MDMA a bit difficult, at least at raves and such. So my questions are: how is the bodyload on methylone and what are the visible physical effects on the user? I'd like to be able to party on empathogens without being asked if I need an ambulance :)
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Methylone is not much of a party drug. As previously mentioned, the first time I tried methylone was at a 'rave' and I hardly noted any effects. That set me up to believe methylone was without significant activity. Not until a few years later, when I took it with my girlfriend in the desert, did I finally experience its magic.

Consider saving methylone and MDMA for use as empatheogens, and smoke some pot or have a beer at a party. There is so much magic these substances offer, that is simply lost on those who just want to 'party' with them. You are totally wasting them in my opinion.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Methylone is not much of a party drug. As previously mentioned, the first time I tried methylone was at a 'rave' and I hardly noted any effects. That set me up to believe methylone was without significant activity. Not until a few years later, when I took it with my girlfriend in the desert, did I finally experience its magic.

Consider saving methylone and MDMA for use as empatheogens, and smoke some pot or have a beer at a party. There is so much magic these substances offer, that is simply lost on those who just want to 'party' with them. You are totally wasting them in my opinion.
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Yeah, I'm fully aware that empathogens, as well as all other psychedelics, should be taken in closed groups of people, which also is how I usually do them, but I can't shake the thought of seeing the beauty of the wavy, dancing crowd under the influence of an empathogen :) Maybe it's because I haven't truly felt the MDMA-magic yet - possibly because all I can get my hands on here in Denmark, is shit pills, stuffed with methamphetamine and other evil substances :( That doesn't mean I don't like it though
 
i think methylone is best on top of tryptamines but that is what i've just experienced with my assays, it becomes ultra potent as well
 
melange said:
does anyone get kind of cold on methylone.
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Yes. Not severely, but I noticed some mild chills and gooseflesh lasting into the following morning.

I had a second experience with methylone recently, at a higher dose, and I have to say I was much more impressed. My first try was a couple of months ago with a single dose of 200mg (mentioned earlier in this thread). It was nice, not overwhelming, but I found it much too short-lived to be satisfying. The euphoric effects were mostly gone within two hours when it devolved into a methlike stimulation for several more hours.

This time I started with 250mg, and within 30 minutes I could tell that it was much more intense and even more MDMA-like than the first time. (In fact, during the peak I began wondering whether it really was MDMA---I'm sure now this wasn't the case, but it was close enough to make me consider the idea.) I've read the (mostly negative) reports on here of the efficacy of boosting, but wanted to try it nonetheless, so I took a booster of 150mg 90 minutes in (when the effects seemed to be at their peak).

I was pleasantly surprised. The euphoria and nystagmus (rather severe this time, in contrast with a few wiggles for 15 minutes or so on my first attempt) persisted until about T+4:00. It then dropped off fairly quickly (but gently) over the next 30 minutes or so. I went to bed at T+6:00 and it did take me a couple of hours to fall asleep, but it wasn't unpleasant to just lie there.

I can understand how some might find a dose this high overwhelming, but I enjoyed it a lot (I tended to prefer higher-dose MDMA trips as well). The following day I felt tired, but surprisingly decent. A comparable ecstasy experience would have brought me down for several days afterward. The only thing I didn't like was the tendency of my eyes (or usually just one eye) to cross during the peak, which I couldn't seem to control, and which I've experienced on MDMA in the past as well. It makes me look pretty ridiculous.

So, it would seem methylone has more potential than I thought. I hope that future experiments with it prove as successful.
 
melange said:
does anyone get kind of cold on methylone. I know alot of psychdelics can do that, but methylone brought my body temperature down 2-2.5 degrees. It wasn't that unpleasant though. I just thought it was kind of odd.
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psychosomatically or physiologically?
 
Oh methylone, how I love thee!
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This is my second night in a row. I've wiped out a gram, just took the last 250mg 10 minutes ago. =D (I couldn't help myself redosing last night, I never can. 8))

I know it's a bit of a waste taking it two nights in a row, but 2nd night methylone is still better than a lot of other things. It's now hitting me pretty hard actually.... %)

My question is: how come it wears off so fast? Please explain in words of one syllable.

Imagine methylone with the duration of acid. I would pay a lot of money for that shit. =D
 
Indeed, there's a definite gap in the market there.

I am going to grab the methylone people and the acid people, bash their heads together, and tell them: I WANT TO SEE SOME SYNERGIES, PEOPLE! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

=D
 
morninggloryseed said:
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Consider saving methylone and MDMA for use as empatheogens, and smoke some pot or have a beer at a party. There is so much magic these substances offer, that is simply lost on those who just want to 'party' with them. You are totally wasting them in my opinion.
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I know we all have different opinions and view on how these drugs (and drugs in general) should be used, but someday if you feel like it I would recommend trying MDMA at a psy party.

I agree that the methylone experience in not conducive to use at a rave type setting.

At most of the psy parties I have been to, the people there seem more experienced with these sorts of drugs, and are generally a little older and more mature than the sorts of people that turn up at raves. I realize a lot of people may not make distiction between rave and psyparty, but there really is.

It is truly something to experience the empathy and feelings of connectedness and love for those around you at an outdoor event with people that have some to dance and celebrate being alive.

There are way, way less of the people coming out to get wasted for the sake of getting wasted. Its a different vibe entirely, and there aren't many people that lay on the ground spazzing incoherently because they are to wasted to control themselves.

You might not like it, I don't know, but you won't know if you never try it (what if you had never tried methylone alone with your SO after it sucking at a rave.. you might have missed out on the unique magic that it has).

Its worth a try, IMHO. Though we all differ on this.
 
Well, I've finally gotten around trying this stuff last night.

I have way too much turmoil in my life and I was hoping to be able to work through at least some of the shit with a mindstate granted by an empathogen, and I didn't want to use MDMA the crash usually makes any of the drug's positive effects simply forgotten.

Well, I took 190mg on an empty stomach. Set and setting were fine.. in my room, with a friend as sober-sitter that I trust and feel comfortable tripping with. The comeup was gradual, gentle, and beautiful. I'd go as far as saying that it is the best comeup of any non-depressant that I have tried (I generally hate comeups with anything stimulating).

Methylone did grant me a beautiful moment of peace and serenety. Actually this is an understatement - it was beautiful, and gave me a positive outlook on everything. Pranayama breathwork also added to that, with each breath things became more and more peaceful.

Unfortunately, there was not enough time for me to work through everything, and a SUDDEN CRASH ensued 4 hours after ingestion (so that means 3 hours of good effects) that felt like I just had 500 esperessos. A panic-attack of mythical proportions. I took 12mg of Bromazepam sublingually simply to stop it, and I still felt like absolute shit. Even with this, I still could not sleep 6 hours after dosing, and I had to take 0.25mg Triazolam to be able to sleep. This all just barely helped, but I slept alright.

This morning I woke up with lots of anxiety, and zero motivation to do anything. Not to mention horrific depression.. and get this: I had only one thing in mind... take more fucking methylone. The craving is is worse than meth. It is worse than coke. I have never felt so complled to redose on anything as much as with this one. Had I not had too much work to do for the rest of the weekend, I would have probably succumbed and taken it again, knowing that it would only make things worse. Now, 24 hours later, I am not as fatigued, the cravings are gone (probably thanks to all the coffee and the chain-smoking of pipe tobacco with small doses of benzos), but the depression is still there.

I think having some Ketamine at hand would have helped immensely during the crash and the cravings. I will probably give this drug a try again after a long break, provided I have Ketamine and maybe some opiates at hand.

In conclusion, I think it is the most versatile of all empathogens out there (and I've tried several - none were exactly friendly with me besides AMT, but that one needs a lot of commitment), yet the crash compromises this versatility. The crash is not as *painful* or suicidal as that of MDA or sometimes MDMA, but it is still not worth the good effects and the price.
 
Oh wow. :(

I wonder if a re-dose after a couple of hours would have helped? I can't HELP myself redosing at the time, but I never get cravings the next day. :\
 
Ouch... if it helps, the first few times I took methylone, I crashed very hard and felt absolutely terrible for a couple of hours afterwards. It made me not really want to try it again, although I never felt depression the next day, which is why I prefer it over MDMA these days. But then I picked up several grams for a price I couldn't refuse, and I noticed that the more I used it, the less intense the crash became, but the high stayed just as good. After about 5 or 6 times, spread out, I noticed that the crash had become negligible, and the entire experience became pleasurable. Even the residual stimulation was pleasant! I also generally redose once or twice when I use it now.

That's too bad you felt the crash for so long and depression the next day. :( All I can suggest is to give it another shot later. Also, opiates most certainly help tremendously during the crash. My favorite is kratom, as that one really seems to leave the effects of psychedelics and empathogens intact far more than true opiates (my guess is because the active chemical(s) carry the indole skeleton, although I don't know why that would do it. Kratom has a bit of a psychedelic edge to it anyway, at high enough doses.
 
/\ frustration... yep, I have been observing this, too. best used in moderation on the night in question and also with intervals - not viable in the long-term as a weekly or even twice-weekly staple. Not as bad as MDMA in that respect but still comes with its own nastiness.

best not to get too attached too and remember that there are other entactogens and other stimulants out there.

Imho, if one uses regularly, it's best to rotate between drugs and not get too attached to any single one.
 
Aside from the high itself, all the side- and after-effects of this drug seem identical to Cocaine :|.

Now about 48 hours later, I can say I am no longer feeling the after-effects, but am definitely not in my best mood either. Though I suspect that nicotine has played a big role in the improvement. If I find myself armed with the mighty Ketamine, enough benzos, a reliable opioid, and perhaps an SNRI or, better, Tianeptine (found this one to take away 90% of MDMA crash), then I'll definitely give this one another try ;)

This comedown is less harsh than MDA or MDMA, but still enough to make me think twice before taking the drug again. *sigh* it seems like I am not meant to enjoy empathogens in my lifetime. The story so far:

MDA: As shocking as it sounds, 3 out of my 4 or so experiences with this one were bad trips!! And they all had a 2-week long severe, suicidal depression following them...

MDMA: Never a "bad trip" (this drug is not psychedelic IMO), but only 2 of 10 or so experiences were worth the week-long depression that follows.

4-FA: No bad trips here either (also not a psychedelic), and *ghasp* NO CRASH!! buuuut... the peripheral stimulation during the trip is way too overwhelming. I might give this one a few more chances though, since at the time I was using it my system was still a few weeks into recovery from a GHB withdrawal.

AMT: Perfect, as long as you can deal with the nausea (I used scopolamine patches + ginger and still had nausea) and the LSD-long duration. It is also very psychedelic making it the least versatile of the lot as an empathogen, period.

But I guess I'm a masochist =D. I might be trying 4-MeO-PP (or meopp) soon. And Mebylone if I find some.
 
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Even when you get a day or three of afterglow instead of depression from MDMA or methylone, methylone still sucks due to the intense craving to redose as soon as it wears off. It's seriously worse than crack cocaine for me and seemingly for half of Bluelight.
 
word for your last sentence... though I feel that the M depression is pretty immediate and doesn't come creeping in next week as that of MDMA.

That M1 comedown can be somewhat alleviated by combining the M1 with a choice 2C that has euphoric properties... I'm thinking of low-dose 2C-D, 2C-I, 2C-B... ingested beforehand, the M1 added when the 2C come-up phase is over. The 2C effects seem to mask the nastiness of the M1 somewhat.
 
I must have had totally different Methylone to a few people here.
No hint of depression (unless combined and with too much MDMA), zero urge to redose (especially as it proves worthless), and wonderful content feeling with infinite-energy for a couple of hours after peak.

I know different people get different effects from different drugs, but the way some people are talking seems so far removed from what I've experienced makes me wonder.. :)
 
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