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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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You know, I'm not sure what to think of this one. Right now, I'm not too much of a fan...

Last night, trying to come completely down, was another night without sleep. SHIT. :X I dosed very early in the day abd still couldn't sleep until 6am the next day.

Unless I'm missing something here, there's nothing that's really driving me to do it again other than the fact that I have doses I already paid for. I dunno...

Even if I had the 250mg vials, my last dose should have only been in the 170mg range. Not only didn't I sleep last night, but I'm feeling pretty down again today. Not too impressed right now myself. If I wanted to feel this depressed and shitty the day after, I would just force myself into another miserable WD from my daily opiate habit. :\ But that's a different problem.

Anyway, I'll probably do it again at some point since I have some left.... Maybe the next time will be different? I hope so anyway. Not only was this one expensive and relatively difficult to procure, it wasn't worth it to me. I was hoping this was one I could turn my inexperienced partner onto, but I'm not comfortable with that. There's something not right about this stuff. I just don't like it...
 
georgiapoppy said:
If I wanted to feel this depressed and shitty the day after, I would just force myself into another miserable WD from my daily opiate habit. :\ But that's a different problem.
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Maybe methylone just doesn't combine too well with opiates?
 
^^^ That's entirely possible. I apprecieate the input.

However if that's the case, this is the first chem I've done that doesn't combine well with opies. I highly doubt that combining with opies would cause excessive muscle tension. Outisde of the muscle tension (which primarily seems to focus in my neck/upper shoulders) I've also felt very dysphoric and depressed the day after.

The comedown takes a LONG time for me to get to the point where I can sleep. If the muscle tension wasn't such a pain in the ass, the comedowns might be a bit more pleasurable. ;)

I can't be sure of my dose since I'm using Explosion, but I've tried from 2.5-3.5ml of it and regardless the side effects suck for me. A 'full vial' of Explosion is about 3.5 ml, so I think that's a fair dose range.

I'm at the lower end of a taper from my opies currently so I will be completely clean of them in another two weeks or so if I can stay on track. I'll very interested to try it again once I'm completely opie-free, but as I mentioned, I've never taken anything that resulted in dysphoria when combined with opies.

I've been through my opie tapering routine enough times to know that I can't blame the side effects I'm having on WD sypmtoms either. When I taper off, I do it in a very controlled and slow manner so that I basically have no WD symptoms. We're talking at least 6-8 weeks for the main part of the taper. I've been in pretty bad WD's a few times where now I will not stop opies again without tapering.

Perhaps this chem just isn't for me. Although all three of my times with it so far haven't been that favorable (overall) for me I'm trying to remain optomistic. I'll probably give it another run one of these days. I'm glad some folks seem to enjoy this one, but for me it's just not worth it so far.

Best regards

-gp
 
I've heard Explosion might contain some weird contaminants that might contribute to your side effects, but I could be wrong. Do a search on that if you're interested, or maybe someone could elaborate further?
 
This material first became available on the "RC" scene in 2001, and now four years later this is the first I am ever hearing of difficult side-effects and comedowns being associated with the material. Based on my experiences with methylone, as well as those I have shared it with...it is difficult to imagine anyone experiencing muscle tension and a heavy comedown with it. This just seems so uncharacteristic of methylone. I have to question the contents of this 'explosion' concoction.
 
muscle tension, a heavy comedown, lasting flattened affect.

yep, thats methylone. cant imagine using it without benzos for the comedown.
 
I don't get those effects much, if at all, personally. Feeling a bit flat, sure, but that's about it. For me it is way easier than mdma on the comedown - that can be a little harsh and dysphoric for me, but not methylone. The thing with the meythylone is, for me anyway, that post-peak I'm prepare dto ingest almost anything to maintain some sort of high. I find the methylone high so pleasurable that I usually end up either drinking or doing nitrous or ghb or even 5-meo-dmt. it has some sort of a hedonistic imperative that comes with it, and I totally fall for that almost every time... and when I remember not to go too far down that road, I find that teh next day I fell perfectly fine... and sleep can be had within around 5 hours after dropping . . . this is true both for explosion and for the powder form. I guess everyone's different...
 
I must confess I am surprised at the recent bought of negativity here. I personally cannot get enough!

There is *some* jaw tension, but I only notice it for half an hour or so, and then its gone, I dont even bother with chewing gum after that. Other muscle tension doesn't really happen, either.

I dont have any problems with a comedown from MDMA, but it does leave you feeling a bit "wierd", whatever your definition is, no one can deny that.. But with Methylone, when its done, I find I just slightly buzz continually for a few hours.. stretching / stairs / dancing feels great. And best of all, you can eat, have sex, think quickly, etc,...

I also find I grin my ass off during methylone, in fact I was thinking of starting a poster campaign, like a pre election political party style thing, "MDMA vs Methylone. Don't gurn, GRIN!" :)

I find it a little harder to sleep on than MDMA, but more often than not its because I am so elated that I dont want to 'let go' of the feeling, or I am just grinning profusely.

All this combined with a constant wonderful high, as well.

I guess different strokes for different blokes, and all that :)
 
Lev said:
I must confess I am surprised at the recent bought of negativity here.
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yeah - me too! ;)

I found Methylone to be quite light with no comedown or jaw clenching. Having said that I don't get a comedown from MDMA either, so maybe I'm not the best person to comment! :p
 
^ same (as I already said).

A foreign person in a different forum said it best (In humourous English)...

"When you have finished, you dont even know that you've taken it!!!1"
 
morninggloryseed said:
This material first became available on the "RC" scene in 2001, and now four years later this is the first I am ever hearing of difficult side-effects and comedowns being associated with the material. Based on my experiences with methylone, as well as those I have shared it with...it is difficult to imagine anyone experiencing muscle tension and a heavy comedown with it. This just seems so uncharacteristic of methylone. I have to question the contents of this 'explosion' concoction.
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MGS speaks the truth. In fact, if memory serves correct, a study was done on Explosion and the contents were far from pure methylone. I'll post the link to this shortly if I can find the damn thing. At any rate, actual methylone is still out there. The RC market has become rather clandestine lately, but the imaginative and persistent Google searcher does not go unrewarded...
 
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I'm thinking problems are caused by the fact that Methylone is perhaps unstable in its Aqueous form, and maybe only one HUGE batch of explosion was made in the first instance... And now its a bit "out-of-date".. Who knows? :)
 
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C6H6 said:
Methylone is very unstable in (aqueous) solution and spoils quickly.
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...and C6H6 seems to really know what he's talking about.

I've never tried 'Explosion', only the powder form. The dose was 200mg. At the time I didn't know methylone was so set and setting dependant! I thought since it was similar to MDMA I could take it pretty much any time and have an awesome time.

The side effects I had were jaw clenching, nystagmus, and an almost paralyzing lethargy after I came down, something I've never had with MDxA or any other drug for that matter.

My girlfriend took it and felt nothing for about 30 min. Then she said it hit her like a lightning bolt in her jaw and she was immediately at a +++.

Feelings of empathy and compassion aren't nearly as forced with methylone compared to MDMA, and it kind of made us feel irritable and selfish at times (before we came down).
 
oh yeah, I remember reading that now ;)

It survives the freeze / thaw process, so presumably storing them in the freezer would help..

I just cant believe the lethargy that people get when they come down on this stuff.. I'm getting home and going out for a bike ride or something.. Still, as said a few times on this forum, I guess drugs effect (affect?) different people differently.
 
well surely not all axplosion, i tried it 3 times now in its 'explosion' form but found it to be an extremely clean high. purchased it a week or so before it was gone though. if theres jaw clenching its very mild for half an hour and a bit of lethargy (also only mild) later on. very soft landing and rewarding experiences for me :)
 
I found methylone very, very enjoyable. I did 150 mg.

It was very similar to MDMA in it empathic and positive-mindset qualities, however, I did not find it nearly as stimulating -- not as much euphoria and a less intense, less pleasurable body high. I prefer MDMA, but methylone was a very pleasant experience nonetheless, without any noticeable side effects for me.

My husband tried the same dose and didn't get very much out of it at all.
 
ive wanted to try methylone for sometime now, but the price tag is a bit heavy for the duration of the drug. i know of one place where i can get a gram for a 140$ and im a big guy so i would have to take around 200-250 miligrams for a full on experience.. that works out to around 35.00$ a hit, nothing is worth that in my opinion, not when i can get e for alot less.
 
Angelus said:
ive wanted to try methylone for sometime now...im a big guy so i would have to take around 200-250 miligrams for a full on experience.
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If you have never taken methylone, how do you know you would need 200mg to 250mg? :)

In my vast experiences of sharing psychedelics with others, I have found there to be little correlation between weight and dosage needed for effects. I have met plenty of skinny hard-heads who prefer to gobble up mind-boggling dosages...and a few larger, bulkier folks for which small dosages of near anything always bring on intense effects.

Moreover, each psychedelic is different. While I find myself rather insensitive (comparatively speaking) to 2C-T-7 and 2C-B, seemingly tiny dosages of 2C-E, 2C-I, and most of the indolethylamines I have tried, get me very far out there. One should not assume that because a large dosage of "A" is needed, a large dosage of "B" and "C" must also be taken. It does not always work that way.

I really feel that automatically assuming you will need a big dosage of anything because you are a "big guy" can lead you down a dangerous road. Maybe you will be ok with something like methylone...but please don't approach any of the more engaging psychedelics like 2C-E, miprocin, or DPT with that attitude. You may find yourself in for more than you betted on. 8o
 
^^^ i agree mostly but for some substances there is a correlation between a persons size and dosage. On one end of the scale with alcohol there is a strong link between size and how drunk you get, but yes with psychedelics individual reactions vary so much weight is a insignificant factor.

But as a note of caution if your a wee person you should consider backing off the doses just as an extra safety margin, and just because you ate all the pies don't think you should start out with big doses.
 
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