The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

[Hypnic_JerK]

no, there definitely is a tolerance factor. as in, nothing happens anymore, you don't simply get used to it.

I'm gonna have to call you out on a misuse of pronouns here mang! Remember, these strange powders are capable of treating people differntly based on very nebulous causes.

 

[t4exanadu]

I question weather there really is a tolerance factor with hallucinogens. I just get used to being twiztid.

edit: you --> I

It's called desensitization or down-regulation. It happens to any drugs which cross the blood-brain barrier. In fact, erowid had a question about this once: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=1794

Now, there can be a certain degree of psychological tolerance, but that can never blunt the effects of any given hallucinogen entirely. I would object to anyone who claims otherwise, unless they would like to provide some actual data on this.

On a completely different topic: Does DOC give anyone extremely bad diarrhea? Having tried DOC orally, intranasally, and via smoking, all three routes produced the same effect; diarrhea and stomach pains that last a few hours. I noticed some people have mentioned vomiting. I would much rather have nausea and vomit, and get it over with, than a protracted and uncomfortable time on the toilet. Most of the tryptamines and phenethylamines that I have tried in the past have caused either nausea/vomiting/diarrhea/stomach pain, but only a few have caused anything as distressing as DOC.

Any suggestions on ways of minimizing this? Loperamide (Imodium) only gave me extremely painful constipation after I began to come down. As a result, I ended up on the floor clutching my stomach in pain. It reminded me of opiate withdrawl, which isn't suprising given the nature of Loperamide.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, DOC is one of the most foul tasting chemicals I have ever smoked. Despite the small amount, I gagged and could do absolutely nothing to get the taste out of my mouth.

 

[fizzacyst]

Were you smoking a salt or the base? How much? How did that go? I would love to hear about that.

I had some very mild diarrhea ~20 hours or so after my 6mg dose. Thats nothing uncommon for on a large dose of some of these compounds.. mostly the 2C's. It wasn't serious, and I didn't really even think much about it. I had munched around on some random stuff I wouldn't normally eat together, had a trappist ale, smoked some pot, etc.. so I can't say for sure it was totally the fault of the DOC.

2mg did not cause this. It did make me nauseous, but that passed. The 6mg made me much more nauseous, to the point that I went and sat by the toilet with a glass of water for a while. I kept feeling the need to puke, but it wasn't happening. I thought it might pass, but it was starting to bother me. So I slammed the glass of water and gagged myself. Suprisingly, I could barely get anything to come up even though I felt as if I might spew any second before I did this.

I felt a little better, and it cleared up over the next half hour or so.

 

[Hypnic_JerK]

I get absolutely no body effects from DOC. My hands don't even shake. My heartrate actually Decreases! from about 80 (norma) to 60 (high on DOC). No neausa or diarreha

 

[GreenBarts]

I was wondering how many times everyone has researched this, heres how many times i did DOx Compounds, this isnt to brag its to see how many times that everyone else has used it.

DOI: 5 times
DOC: 14 times

 

[Hypnic_JerK]

maybe start a new thread for that kinda shit?

Doc~ 30 times

 

[GreenBarts]

maybe start a new thread for that kinda shit?

Doc~ 30 times

why they would merge it here.

 

[t4exanadu]

Were you smoking a salt or the base? How much? How did that go? I would love to hear about that.

I smoked the salt. I had some doubts as to whether or not the HCl salt would be active, previous attempts at smoking other phenethylamines yielded mixed results: J, a.k.a BDB, inactive; 2C-T-7, can't recall if it was active, but it caused a stinging sensation in my throat, very unpleasant; 2C-T-2, very stimulating, almost no psychedelia. (Results with most tryptamines HCl salts were also similarly varied).

As for dosage, anywhere from 100-500mcg. I had no way of measuring a dose more accurate than that, and I felt that the dose was still low enough that I wouldn't be taking too much of a risk. Considering the very weak effects, I would put the dose closer to the lower end, but I really can't say for sure.

Some details on effects: I felt it within 15 seconds, though it wasn't particularly noticeable until 30. Within 2 minutes or so it was had peaked. I only saw slight patterning, I don't think I ever went beyond a weak +2. Because of the speed of onset, bodily sensations became noticeable very quickly, and tended to preoccupy me. The rush of warmth as the DOC took effect, subtle and annoying transient pains and muscle soreness. The worst however was the very persistent feeling that at any moment I was going to have to rush to the bathroom before I crapped myself. I tried actually going to the bathroom to alleviate this, but to no avail.

The peak lasted anywhere from 45-60 minutes, though I am certain if I had smoked a larger dose it would have lasted far longer. Despite the short duration of the peak, it was not for 8 hours later or so until I felt it had completely worn off.

 

[GreenBarts]

I smoked the salt. I had some doubts as to whether or not the HCl salt would be active, previous attempts at smoking other phenethylamines yielded mixed results: J, a.k.a BDB, inactive; 2C-T-7, can't recall if it was active, but it caused a stinging sensation in my throat, very unpleasant; 2C-T-2, very stimulating, almost no psychedelia. (Results with most tryptamines HCl salts were also similarly varied).

As for dosage, anywhere from 100-500mcg. I had no way of measuring a dose more accurate than that, and I felt that the dose was still low enough that I wouldn't be taking too much of a risk. Considering the very weak effects, I would put the dose closer to the lower end, but I really can't say for sure.

Some details on effects: I felt it within 15 seconds, though it wasn't particularly noticeable until 30. Within 2 minutes or so it was had peaked. I only saw slight patterning, I don't think I ever went beyond a mild +2. Because of the speed of onset, bodily sensations became noticeable very quickly, and tended to preoccupy me. The rush of warmth as the DOC took effect, subtle and annoying transient pains and muscle soreness. The worst however was the very persistent feeling that at any moment I was going to have to rush to the bathroom before I crapped myself. I tried actually going to the bathroom to alleviate this, but to no avail.

The peak lasted anywhere from 45-60 minutes, though I am certain if I had smoked a larger dose it would have lasted far longer. Despite the short duration of the peak, it was not for 8 hours later or so until I felt it had completely worn off.

hmmmm interesting...

 

[DivineMomenT]

he attacked the cops and they didnt arrest him?

He tried to bite them and also spat on them. Believe it or not. It is true though and the kid thought he was in a video game called "splurge." Who knows why he was not charaged with anything but he wasnt for some odd reason and this is a fact. He was restrainted and sent to the hospital. They had to tie him to a strecher because he was violently flailing.

SWIM has only researched DOC two times but hopefully can research it again with a higher dose. This is a tru story though there is no reason SWIM would want to fabricate something like this. It just seemed odd that others mentioned the posession. He did not say he felt posessed but he had no control of his body and he thought it was all part of a video game. Wierd, I know but it is true. Belive what you want it really doesnt matter. Even though this would probably never happen you you, it happened to him, and it could happen to someone else. Just be careful with the doses and dont take a dose that you cant handle. This just goes to show that everyone reacty differently. 99% of people here would be okay off of 6mg and 6 beers but this was the 1% of the population who had extremely adverse reactions. He had drank a 6 pack before taking 6mg. Just beware if you are drinking before the experience it might intensify it. Who knows though maybe this kid would have done the same if he wasnt drunk before. The fact is that he took 6mg and flipped the fuck out.

 

[fastandbulbous]

^ For somebody like that, maybe it would have been a good lesson in having some common sense if they had charged him. As I get older, people like that just bring out my misanthropic tendancies more and more - either that or a face full of pepper spray/mace.

Sorry if you think I'm being uncaring, but at the moment I've just about had my fill of irresponsible arseholes just eating (or otherwise consuming) drugs against the advice of friends who are genuinely looking out for them.

After re-reading it, I think I might have even been out there encouraging the cops to give him a good going over as a long lasting reminder of his utterly selfish and stupid behaviour. The way I feel at the moment, I might have even insisted he was charged with criminal damage etc if I'd been one of his victims. I am utterly sick of trying to protect people from their own greed & stupidity at the moment

 

[Xorkoth]

By posession on DOC< I really sort of meant more along the lines of feeling like I was sharing my mind with something else. I still had control of my body completely, but it was like my thoughts were not all my own, and there were stretches of time that I don't recall having passed where I was unmoving in my chair. Time moved immensely slowly, also, especially 2:47am... that's the one time I recall seeing more than any other, over and over again, and I was up from 11pm until the next night without any sleep.

And wow, I never realized so many people got negative effects from DOC. I guess I'm lucky then... personally, I don't get stomach discomfort, nausea, diahhrea, increased heart rate, or anything. When I took 4mg, there were some moments of discomfort due to sheer intensity of the buzz, but that was psychological and not physical.

And I've taken DOC 5 times: at 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, and 4mg, in that order. Next time I will probably take 4 again because it was extremely intense and I need to explore it further before I go higher. The partial possession feeling I mentioned was during the 4mg trip, along with the severe time distortion and missing time.

 

[fastandbulbous]

BTW - sorry about previous post, but I've had it up to here with a section of BL'er who are incredibly stupid and have no sense of responsibility about consuming drugs - I was in a family sized hissy-spitty fit when I wrote that...

 

[B9]

^Don't really see what you've got to be sorry about, it seemed a fair enough comment to me. Such behaviour is unacceptable, if he'd been drunk would you have apologised for lambasting his behaviour? I think not, if people intoxicate themselves it is incumbent on them to do so with care or take the consequences, in my opinion.





zophen

 

[nuke]

Just a little note on this chemical, it was scheduled in Canada a while ago, looking through the Canadian law on Erowid. Same schedule as DOB/2c-b/psilocybin.

 

[Elgr]

Indeed. Surprised me.

 

[Cat Again]

6mg produced feelings not too different from my 3mg trip just slightly intensified.
At first i was wondering why so many ppl are taking the doses so high with this one. But now i see why. There really seems to be alot of variance in ppls reactions to this chem and some of us require doses ~10mg.

From 6mg i felt euphoria, empathy, the visuals were just slightly better than 3mg and thats pretty much it. I did get a few moments of full blown psychedelia but they never lasted long enough for me to take something back with me.
Although, as i have mentioned before, i defintely see potential in this chemical from the few things it has shown me so far. I never tried DOM but i think it must have felt similar to DOC if it had a name like "Serenity, Tranquility, Peace" because i felt that way for the duration of my trip.

I wasnt able to sleep untill 16 hours had passed even though i took like 40mg of valium at the 12 hour mark. Also i experienced nausea and vomited both times i tried DOC, but it in no way affected my trip negatively. All negative body load disappeared after i vomited.
My friend also experienced nausea and vomiting but much worse than i did. And she had it for a longer period of time. Also for a while she would shake really hard (this happens to me on mushrooms, dpt and a few others psychs, i dont think its anything to really worry about).

This does not feel stimulating at all (in the overstimulated sense) in fact i find the body high really nice after vomitting. And if you take this at a concert/festival/rave/watever you will be able to dance for hours non stop.


Also even though my head felt completely clear i had a hard time communicating with anyone that wasnt tripping (lucky for me, most ppl were, hehe). Can anyone explain why that is? I mean someone would come up to me and have a completely one sided conversation with me because i could never come up with anything to say. I guess i was to preoccupied with my thoughts.

 

[fastandbulbous]

^Don't really see what you've got to be sorry about, it seemed a fair enough comment to me. Such behaviour is unacceptable, if he'd been drunk would you have apologised for lambasting his behaviour? I think not, if people intoxicate themselves it is incumbent on them to do so with care or take the consequences, in my opinion.

zophen

Yeah, but 'fuck off and die' is hardly in the spirit if harm reduction. I mean the person was a total fuckwit who deserves everything that happens to him, it's just I was in the sort of mood where I wanted to say that I wished the cops had flailed the shit out of him for his ignorant behaviour, but it was because a different fuckwit had got me into that state. They're both fuckwits, but one shouldn't have to bear judgement for both of them (I like to be fair and despise all fuckwits evenly!)

 

[GreenBarts]

He tried to bite them and also spat on them. Believe it or not. It is true though and the kid thought he was in a video game called "splurge." Who knows why he was not charaged with anything but he wasnt for some odd reason and this is a fact. He was restrainted and sent to the hospital. They had to tie him to a strecher because he was violently flailing.

Shit dude its just really hard to believe if that was a buffalo cop he would have gotten pinched. on the reelz, ive been arressted for alot less then that shit. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

[Hypnic_JerK]

Also i experienced nausea and vomited both times i tried DOC, but it in no way affected my trip negatively. All negative body load disappeared after i vomited.
My friend also experienced nausea and vomiting but much worse than i did. And she had it for a longer period of time. Also for a while she would shake really hard (this happens to me on mushrooms, dpt and a few others psychs, i dont think its anything to really worry about).

The fact that you and your friend both got sick on this makes me question weather or not these chemical suppliers are really giving everyone the same shit. I've introduced 15 people to this drug (and responsibly too believe it or not!) and not a single one reported anything other than the mildest of neausa easily ignored, and possibly due to intensity of the experience.

These scumbag drug dealers, man... damn And the laws that produce them... DAMN!