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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Somebody thought DOC had addicting qualities, perhaps?

Au contraire, whoever that was (I'm too lazy to scroll up). I could have eaten this stuff every other day for the last month if I wanted to, but I've only done it twice. And DOC has been the only psychedelic drug I've used in that period. In fact, many of my friends decided to trip last night and I declined.

Also... it seems like a good number of tobacco smokers either completely forget to smoke or decide that smoking a cigarette is a stupid, unhealthy idea on DOC. Lil' bit like Lucy in that respect.

Also in the spirit of scientific research it has been established that the various psychedelic phenemena intercepted on DOC are tuned in at the frequency of 408.1 KHz ;)

I agree with Glogga... start with PiKHAL doses to test how intensely this affects you. However, it appears you can safely trip a bit harder than the members of the Shulgin group :)
 
2C-B binds also to the 5-HT1 receptor,it could be a general property of the 2C's.Though haven't seen others tested specifically besides 2C-B in a Glennon paper (binding posted in a fly thread I think).Going to the 3C seems to increase selectivity strongly.
 
SWIM deffinitely had a ++++ experience on 6mg of DOC, more philosophical then any 2c and had thinking pattern that seem to be like a tryptamine..
 
RE: SSRI'S WHEN TRIPPING.


I can confirm that when I was on SSRI's, LSD and mushrooms had their edge taken off them. Insightful - yes! Trippy visuals - yes! But nowhere near as spiritually overwhelming. The experience was pretty full-on, but it lacked the fear factor, and however much I was taking, it always seemed I could possibly take more and go deeper down the hole, because all the insights were so smooth (and ultimately quite mundane, often).
 
OK, for the record, DOC is the best RC out there. This shit blows LSD out of the water. But its not effective in low doses in my experience, but at least 5mg you feel its true potential. I had such a blast with this chemical i snorted and ingested. The snorts were unknown amounts on 2 different trips. The first time i took a 25mg bag, and i dont have a mg scale. Ya ya i know its dumb and ive heard others on the forum who say that if you cant afford a mg scale then dont do rc's or low active dose rc's. I beg to differ, you just need to be careful and simply dissolve in water. I snorted some before i poured the compound into the 25ml of distilled water. Just a little, it shined like crystal. Not even a 1/4 of a bump, but i have no way of telling how much was actually snorted. I then licked the powder remaining in the little bag, which also was an unknown amount. I was sloppy but what made me think i could handle it was my previous 7 trips on DOI. Which at this time i would like to add that it completely sucks compared to DOC, so if you've done DOI and are discouraged about trying DOC, Dont be. You can see from the sticks threads at the trip reports forum and others who've tried it but didn't right a report and its been nothing by good encounters. I just want people to know who are not to sure of DOC but you've tried mushrooms or acid. This trip is lighter on the body in general, the next day is a wonderful after glow. Wonderful for music, color changing, morphing. I was even smelling different shit, like from steak to popcorn. Crazy huh?? i thought so. The body load on DOI makes me think what the fuck went wrong with DOI. How could it suck so much as compared to DOC? I dont understand and i dont think i ever will. Oh well, DOC is for even for people who dont have experience with psychedelics. Hope this helps
 
What's that smell?

GreenBarts, that's fascinating you mentioned the smell sensations.

In an imaginary "trip party" (I fantasize about these all the time, but alas, can never find any good drugs) I witnessed lately -- in this particular dream I actually served as a trip sitter, fancy that! -- a couple people were really seeming to get some strange smell hallucinations. One guy said, for like 10 seconds, and well into the long peak/plateau, that all of a sudden he got a really strong whiff of alcohol, or rubbing alcohol. Then it went away.

Come to think of it this isn't the first dream I've had involving DOC where some of the actors seemed a bit overwhelmed by unconfirmed olfactory hues...

From an outside standpoint.... a group of DOC trippers is almost indistinguishable from a group of LSD trippers. Really quite fun to hang out with, especially with a bit of headies and some instruments ;)

And yeah, it seems once people are acquianted with this chemical [and once that happens it is almost inevitable that they will compare this favorably to just about anything they've tried], people have no problem handling doses in the 4mg to 6mg range.

But I still suggest 2mg as a starting point. Personally I got a +++ from 2mg. Test the waters by sticking your toes in first. Since the water is so nice, and you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who disagrees, some might be tempted to dive in all the way at first.

I doubt anyone will find 2mg "inactive" or so mild that it was a waste of their time.
 
Anybody get nauseous on this stuff?

I'll just make another post for this point... in my dreams about 1/3 of people feel nausea to some degree on the come-up. A couple people have discreetly puked a little and felt fine afterwards, and one person projectile vomited for a couple minutes.

This could very well be related to the irregular diets of the imaginary actors. Or interaction with some other medication. Or anxiety of a heavy trip coming on relatively quickly...

Having taken DOC twice myself, once at 2mg and once at a cumulative 6mg spaced out over a few hours, I never felt the slightest bit of stomach upsetness. And I get a tight stomach/gas buildup on LSD sometimes which was also not present with DOC.

Other DOC trippers were bewildered by those who did feel nauseous or had to puke, because, like me, they couldn't even imagine feeling nauseous or having to puke even if they really wanted to on this chemical.

So, I don't know whether or not to write this off as bad diet (like eating a bunch of greasy fast food right before dosing), a couple isolated cases of really weak stomachs, or what. Anybody else feel nauseous on this one?

Personally I find this stuff remarkably side-effect free. However, in my dreams this does not hold perfectly true for everybody.

I should note that even the projectile vomiter proceeded to have an obviously fantastic trip, and wasn't bothered much by having to vomit either.

I should also note that both times I took DOC, I made sure I didn't eat anything nasty or hard to digest before-hand. Then, once the trip developed, I was mildly anorexic but found that I could stomach a full meal and even drink beers without my GI-system even making a peep. (well maybe a burp or two after the beers, hehe)
 
i puked alot on DOI the first time and i only ingested 2mg. I felt sick on the comeup on the 2nd intense DOC trip i had. It was really hitting me, the colors on my friends wall paper swirled and i couldnt see straight. I started to hurl but after 5mins of puking i was good to go, a little bit of cannabis to ease the stomach which can bring any DOC trip on alot stronger as with most psychedelics.
 
GreenBarts said:
I had such a blast with this [DOC] i snorted and ingested. The snorts were unknown amounts on 2 different trips...I snorted some before i poured the compound into the 25ml of distilled water. Just a little, it shined like crystal. Not even a 1/4 of a bump, but i have no way of telling how much was actually snorted. I then licked the powder remaining in the little bag, which also was an unknown amount.
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What was the duration of the trips where you snorted DOC? I would assume the DOC you licked with your tongue after you snorted it would lengthen the duration, but you said you tried snorted DOC twice. The second time you snorted, did you also eat an amount of the compound? So, I would appreciate it if you reported the duration of the trip where you JUST snorted DOC, and did not also eat it.
 
Oh this was great stuff. Had what was supposed to be 2mg on a blotter friday at 3am (well, saturday :) ). I was pretty drunk though so it wasn't very intense. I insufflated another 25mg of 4-AcO-MIPT after a couple of hours.

-Felt like smooth (mentally as well as physically) acid
-45-60min till it hit me
-effects dropping after 6 hours
-effects nearly gone at the 12 hour mark
-sleep easy after 22 hours without being all that tired though (at that time I hadn't slept for 44 hours, although I had worked out intensely, given massages, went into the sauna and the solarium AND got pretty drunk)
-Slight cardiovascular irregularities after comedown: Cold tingling sensations in the fingers for a minute, leg falling asleep once
-No crash (at least not at the 40 hour mark)

I'm kinda worried this will replace acid. It does really feel a lot more clean and smooth, less anxiogenic than LSD. Also Haven't had any GI problems whatsoever. But since it is an amphetamine I'm not sure whether this is such a good thing, since LSD has been really smooth on your health and supplies a usually very positive afterglow for days, even weeks for some people. I'm kinda worried DOC might give me more of a crash after a couple of days, we'll see how I will feel next week... After all, it is an amphetamine and quiet stimulating (see above).

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crook have no fear about DOC. The afterglow is similar to LSD, in which you feel fine and virtually no comedown. The amphetamine aspect of the drug doesnt even reveal it self imo. I didnt feel anxious or sped up.
 
I tried DOC at 2mgs this past weekend. I found it equivalent to ~75ug of LSD, but it was more different than an LSD experience than most people have stated.

DOC came on much slower than LSD, and it was far more stimulating in a much different way. I found DOC to feel much like a psychedelic Methamphetamine. The music enhancement was similar to that of Amphetamines, yet there was something more mental/visual about it.

The visuals at 2mgs were nothing amazing, but they were definitely there. I found it to be less than deep. In fact, 35mgs of 2C-C had more depth than 2mgs of DOC. The visuals were better with 2C-C, at least the CEV's were.

I am also slightly reluctant to move to a higher dose due to pressure in the chest and mild stomach/chest pain even after taking 0.5mgs of Lorazepam to calm my nerves.

I had a great experience overall, but it was nothing to jump up and down about. What does everyone think about my reaction?
 
Piper methysticum said:
I tried DOC at 2mgs this past weekend. I found it equivalent to ~75ug of LSD, but it was more different than an LSD experience than most people have stated.

DOC came on much slower than LSD, and it was far more stimulating in a much different way. I found DOC to feel much like a psychedelic Methamphetamine. The music enhancement was similar to that of Amphetamines, yet there was something more mental/visual about it.

The visuals at 2mgs were nothing amazing, but they were definitely there. I found it to be less than deep. In fact, 35mgs of 2C-C had more depth than 2mgs of DOC. The visuals were better with 2C-C, at least the CEV's were.

I am also slightly reluctant to move to a higher dose due to pressure in the chest and mild stomach/chest pain even after taking 0.5mgs of Lorazepam to calm my nerves.

I had a great experience overall, but it was nothing to jump up and down about. What does everyone think about my reaction?
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Been waiting to hear of a not so amazing experience for a while... The chest pain is something that always makes me worry about psychedelic amphetamines. Does anyone have any idea why they cause this? I find they're similar to the chest pains/cramps I'd gotten before on ephedrine.
 
Piper methysticum said:
What does everyone think about my reaction?
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I think some people will like it and their bodies will tolerate it better than others. Personally I could hardly think of a psychedelic drug that felt easier on my body.
 
A friend of mine tried this out ranging from doses 2mg - 6mg. He said it lasted a total of about 12 hours each time with 6mg being extremely fun and he was playing guitar and the bongos. The only negative side effect he noticied was there was some chest constriction during the beginning which soon passed.

He is playing on trying out 8mg in approx a week or two.
 
Well, i tried this one at 5-6mg, and perhaps the first doccumented "bad trip". This stuff makes me totally bi-polar, with uncontrolable mood swings, lots of muscle twitching/shaking (Simliar to DOB), and poor circulation to boot. I personally disagree with everyone who thinks this stuff is LSD-like, as it definately *feels* like a psychedelic amphetamine to me. The only major simliarity is that both of them get pretty deep inside of your head and won't let go...
 
^^i am bi polar rapid cycle. this stuff was extremely light on my body. Im sticking to my belief that higher doses have less body load then the lighter 2mg doses. Its just my theory and i am looking forward to hearing more experiences. I truly love this RC and it will always be a part of me. So far this is the first report with any negativity to it, but i guess it was bound to come the ratio of good trips is far greater then those of not so amazing .
 
That's what people claimed with 2C-I as well. The opposite was true for me, the higher the dosage, the more side-effects there were, to the point of "not worth increasing the dosage because the side-effects suck so much"..
 
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