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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Blowmonkey said:
That's what people claimed with 2C-I as well. The opposite was true for me, the higher the dosage, the more side-effects there were, to the point of "not worth increasing the dosage because the side-effects suck so much"..


I found that to be true with 2C-I...more is less. I've always noted Piper methysticum and I seem to react very similar to psychedelics. It will be interesting to see how we both end up feeling about DOC.
 
From another forum:
mushroom-man said:
My friend’s rat took 550-600uG of DOC 6 hours ago. He says he doesn't care for it and he is glad he as worked his doses up slowly. Definite psychedelic color enhancement and patterns, with dream like landscapes. All this would be fine if it were not for the nasty mania! He cannot hold a thought for more than a second, thoughts racing to fast without any clarity. None of that LSD or Mushroom-like creativity, very amphetamine like with stiff neck and constant tremor, but no real energy! Almost lethargic feeling. At +5.5 he has tried some beer and 4 g. premium Kratom to mellow the unpleasant physical effects. Seems to help, but just cannot stand the lack of coherent thought process... He will report more later when he is down. But short: Last time for this interesting compound...

...Ok, the friends rat reported in that it has taken 6 pints, 10 G. premium Kratom and 1/2 G mushrooms to get him back (at +8.5). Interesting expirience he said, but no endearing qualities to be found. Will be flushing all material down into the septic system. Trying to figure out his really strong negative reaction to this shit? Aside from the uncomfortable physical state (that would in it self not be enough), he thinks it is the lack of mental clarity and the driven chaos in the thought process. This is a intersting thing as he has really like loosing him self to psychedelics (ego loss, I suppose). DMT, LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote, MDA, MDMA, 2C-C, 2C-I etc. have never come close to this kind of negativity. Why? 2C-I has been the closest, but that was because he did 22 mg the first time and not the 11 as he had planned. Kind a empty drug overal, but has some redeaming features.

DOC, not a LSD type compound for him. He is just really glad he didn't try a higher dose. Those talking on BL of taking 10mg or more are nuts he thinks, but to each their own!

Still wonder why no one else has has had an negative effects from this compound?

So yeah, there are negative reports. I guess DOC will be old news by whenever I find the time to taste it, but so far I'm still very much looking forward to it.
 
I think i already mentioned it, but DOC always makes me puke quite a lot during the come up, but once i put, and i puke even to the point of dry heaving sometimes, once that's over I almost immediately start tripping.
No, this isn't the next LSD. It's just a different psychedelic that happens to be pretty damn nice. I still think LSD is better, and i would personally rather even take shrooms over it...mixing the 2, shrooms and C would be sick as fuck...MDMA and C would be nnice..and possibly 2C-C and DOC would be killer good.

I still find LSD to be much smoother on the body, feels so good and fluidy and heavenly on the cardiovascular system for me, same with mushies, and even mescal, but DOC feels kind of electronically stimulating, like a hippy over cost...paid too much for too little.. That probably doesn't make sense to anyone...anyways...

I think it's a great chem..you kind of have to channel your psychedelic thought patterns to obtain the intensity and depth of LSD..but the visuals and sound warpage, etc are fully blown aparent and there's nothing you can do but flow with it. My highest dose has been 12mg, and i don't think it was anything above a nice +++ ...not even a high +++. I'm eagarly awaiting to try 15mg, then 20...i'd need to take an opiate or benzo or GHB or something because i really don't like the slightly amphetamine buzz to it once the peak it over....the first 4-5 hours are bomb, then it's basically trip all over and reduced to a plus 1 to a plus .5 for the next like 15-20 hours and gets really annoying to the point where i take 800mg of seroquel to knock me down.

A shot of heroin on this would be the utter shit. I Think it has more of a potential to produce good and positive trips compared to the highly unpredictable LSD. I dont know if that's a good or bad thing...you decide.

It can also be VERY VERY VERY VVEEERRY analytical like super diamamond protruding prisim in a cystal sphere perception....super human accurary and mind bending CIA ESP skills of unprecidented proportions.

The visuals were always good but not awesome..but i could see the awesomeness just right behind this thin layer, that was holding me back from the pure glow of intricate detail and color...like if you put a transparent textured plastic over a picture and you wanted to see the picture without the plastic there...in think a higher dose will do it for me....

but as of now LSD still ranks #1. And actually mescaline would be #1 if it wasnt so hard to ingest (hard to come across pure HCL crystals) and didnt make me puke me guts out.

I feel like i am betraying all of the DOC community by not writing up a TR yet...i promise to write one next time when i do a 15mg dose. I have plenty of poppy pods for the needed sedation, and seroquel as well if things get way too hectic or annoying.

Peace out.
DM
 
i promise to write one next time when i do a 15mg dose.

In future, when you give dosages, point out that you're taking seroquel (a 5HT2a antagonist). 15mg for the average person would be way too much. Anyone not on a 5HT2a antagonist medication would be best advised to take no more than 2mg first time
 
Very good point^^^

You never know;
Some big balled newbie kid or adult mite misinterpret someone’s post here, I’m speaking and considering the/this mentality that in some parts of this world "More is better"! This attitude alone mite take some folks to far down the rabbit hole, and lose ther mind down there!

4mgs from what i read seems plenty strong for few; although not every "body" works the same ether! So always start low!! 1.5 to 2mgs is a low dose; still you'll never know how it does affect you or someone you give it to, that’s new to this particular compound.
Be careful and walk softly;)
 
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The thing that strkes me most about all these reports on DOC is the manic component of many of the reports, this may be problematic to folks who've had manic depression and or psychosis(amphet induced), just thought it worth considering before you jump in the deep end.
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I am also slightly reluctant to move to a higher dose due to pressure in the chest and mild stomach/chest pain even after taking 0.5mgs of Lorazepam to calm my nerves.

I had a great experience overall, but it was nothing to jump up and down about. What does everyone think about my reaction?

Ask the Dr. Shulgin page had some information DOXX gather in lungs
(tested with radioactivity). Before they enter more to brain. Or something like that. Sounds weird.

Many people get this chest tightness from ephedrine/amphetamine
like molecules. I quess nobody knows. Allergy?

Do you mean tingling causes tightness? Because that's something i want to figure out.
 
GreenBarts said:
im looking foward to mixing mdma tabs with some k and of course the doctor.
Ha, thought of that combination today... Good dose of DOC, some Methylone 5 hours into it and a K hole dose after another 4 hours... Should be fun, sleep should come easily with the aid of K.

crOOk
 
I guess I should share my experiences with DOC, you know increase the knowledge :)

My first experience was with 5 mg. I was finally able to get a milligram scale, though it is only accurate to 2 mg. Therefore measuring 5 mg was out of the question.

Instead I wieghed out a much larger amount, and mixed with a larger amount of vodka. Since I knew the amount of DOC per millileter of vodka, the doses were imo pretty accurate. If I was to guess I would say they were within at least half a milligram.

Over about 2 weeks I tried DOC 3 times, with the following doses: 5 mg, 2.5 mg and 12 mg.

My first dose was 5 mg. This went fairly well, aside from being unable to maintain a steady body temperature and remaining pretty hot the whole time. The lingering amphetamine effects were also undersirable, and kept me awake for 10 hours after the psechedelic effects were gone. Total trip duration: about 20 hourse.

The second time was 11 days later, using 2.5 milligrams. I thought that this would reduce the unwanted effects and still leave me to trip.

Unfortunately the 2.5 mg really had no effect at all. Maybe a slight amphetamine effect but no psychedlic effects whatsoever. I thought at the time that I may have developed a tolerance to the drug.

Thinking that I had a large tolerance I decided to bump up the dose to 12 mg a few days later. Since I wasn't going to drink that much vodka (which I don't exactly like anyways) I mixed the dose with iced cream. This was pretty good and I slowly ate it over about half an hour.

Now at 12 mg this was an entirely new thing. The effects were absolutely amazing. The effects at 5 mg had been astounding, now at 12 milligrams it was mind blowing.

The first part of the trip was actually very nice.

I checked my heart rate (which was pretty hard to do, but doable since DOC doesn't seem to affect your mind as much as mushrooms or lsd). The highest was about 80 beats per minute, which is only slightly higher than my usual in the low seventies.

However, once the psychedilic effects wore off... I was left with a strong amphetamine like high, which I didn't like at all. I was really tired... yet I couldn't sleep. I basiclally had to watch television for 12 hourse until finally I was able to lose consciousness. At that point I had been awake about 40 hours, since I had taken DOC around 3 AM the previous night (right befor I would normally go to sleep).

You may think that was stupid but I believed that if I took the drug late (as opposed to early in my first 5 mg trip) I would get tired and fall asleed after about 12 hours.

To make matters worse my pupils were gigantic up until about the 20 hour mark! This meant I couldn't really go outside and was holed up in my apartment.

And of course I dont reccomend taking that much, this was a very stupid thing for me to do, but hey I though I might as well spread this information. Good luck to everyone and be safe.
 
Ok well i'll quote myself from an earlier post in the thread,

I will have a full report coming when I get the chance - but i'll just recommend people start off low with DOC, and don't push it your first time.

A couple friends of mine took 6-7mg their first time, although both of them do seem more sensitive to psychedelics in general than most, but *WHOA*!!

The girl had full blown LSD-like but more, way more profound ego loss. This stuff isn't a toy - its DEEP STUFF! Well especially at higher doses, I think the dose/response curve for DOC is way more steep compared to LSD, where if you'd consider 1.5mg's DOC to "equal" a good hit of acid, 4-5 "1.5 mg hits" of DOC might be more like 10+ hits of good acid!

She was shown more nobel truths about life, existance, everything, than anything else in her life that night. I can relate as I was on a 5mg dose of DOC talking to her that night about it all, as I feel I could write up with diagrams etc call it "Reality, this is how it all works".

During my trip, we had walked to this .. can't think of the name, a place around here where on the weekends people set up little places inside this building and sell stuff, like fruit, organic milk, or an old lady selling off cool ass incense stuff or a nice ass LCD display for $20 bucks or whatever, and you can "talk them down" over something that is wonderful as-is that is listed as $7 bucks etc.

Well walking around this place, I realised, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS CLEAR IN MY LIFE! It was like walking around but everything was in 1/2 second "frames" in my vision, but each frame was CRYSTAL CLEAR like my brain's vision display (and sensory perception overall) was cranked up to a super high resolution photo display mode, like setting your computer's screen resolution to 10x pixel resolution but then the refresh rate goes down since resources are being devoted to BEAUTIFUL 1/2 second 600 trillion megapixel snapshots of everything you see.

The view is wonderful, but then because lack of fluidity etc, its not so good for time sensitive, normal "opearation". "I've figured it all out maan!". Where a lowish dose of DMT will simplify your vision to more simple, geometrical shapes allowing for resources of the brain to go more towards fast, time sensitive, razor sharp accurate overall functioning, DOC was acting on the receptor changing this more towards the high res mode - but i'll save the details for later!

Back to this girl, and this is some good information for all of you to know if you plan to dose high on DOC and get caught in a "time loop". I was almost there that night, she said her vision would be SO VIVID and clear, where the 1/2 second delay thing, well hard to describe but in your mind you can stare long enough and make this happen - to put it simply uh, somehow you might see a "tunnel" or as she called it "tornado" like thing, where fractal like.. things start to repeat on and on and on forever, until it "loops in on itself".

Basically these super high quality freeze frames you see can just.. STOP. Where all you see, is the last 1/2 second or so repeating over and over non stop, that same high quality "snapshot" of perception your kind of ..stuck in.

Well - she found out you can still move, and told me if this happens that there IS still a universe going on around you and if it happened to me just let her know by a hand signal etc.

So its like your able to get up, and walk around in this snapshot of perception, and as you move around, your brain will "fill in the gaps" from memory alone, she had to use the bathroom in this state, and went up the stairs and her brain would fill in the stairs like lego blocks, from memory alone, so she could see, nothing from the outside world was coming in, i think except for the music that was still playing which helped her remember who she was. Well in the bathroom, the song stopped, and she..forgot where she *came from*. Since things were SO VIVID and REAL looking, she thought well! i must..be a ghost now! I can't still be alive..

I'll go into way more detail than that but just remember if your in one of these "time loops" - well don't go running around because well your running around physically but cut off from your senses. I got a taste of this friday night, and in the right setting with nowhere to go etc, i would love to go in this journey someday, but *setting*!.

Long story short (lol), she went SO deep back back into the past, into her DNA, she was shown everything, all her ancestors etc, until waaay back she was shown this information, basically she saw the pyramids of egypt and the fact that all we are here are simply a "computer experiment" being run by aliens from a higher universe. I googled "egypt pyramids aliens" last night and wow, - well anyway she had no idea anything about egypt / pyramids etc.

Thing is, she's right, I tripped hard enough that night to see that our little universe here is just another "hub" in the giant forever infinite network of life. I am a "hub" with infinitely smaller hubs within me, infinite universes smaller and smaller which have reached a state of "singularity" (google 'the singularity) status - meaning "active" - developed fully to be active. Humanity as a whole all of us "hubs" in here are still developing, until we reach a singularity point and suprass human intelligence, which then we all become one being (but die at the same time) , like a new born super human in some new bigger 'hub' of some higher universe with other.. hubs, and it just goes in for infiinty forever. All the 'hubs' of life, well our thoughts alone create complete universes, the mind creates its own hubs, i've been shown this before even talking to this girl (although I wasn't shown the whole vivid alien scenes/that deep!) earlier that night alone.

Yeah um, .. WHAT? what was i talking about? i'm god what? hehe - i'll save this for a long detailed report or i'll just go on and on..

But be careful with this stuff folks.. higher doses of DOC I really do think make LSD look like candy, if you plan to dose real high on DOC plan to be in a *SAFE* enviornment with a sober trip sitter present as I can see people getting so high and caught in time loops etc, and end up walking around and being caught and thrown in a hospital for acting "insane".

I'm going to maybe post a separate trip report for just their experience if i can get enough details from them both - I don't think they will sit down and write their own report, but i'll do it - it was PROFOUND, and well.. um.. true

Be careful people! If you take a high dose of this stuff be fully prepared to be in a setting where as if you had just eaten 50 good hits of acid..

So just remember, if caught in a freeze frame high resolution image/time loop, you can still move! I got a glimpse of this possibility of being sucked into this "tornado" and where i was I couldnt go into it.. and glad I didnt where I was

Friends of mine who did not know of this time loop thing have experienced it, i'm really suprised so far no one else on the internet has reported this.. ?

Especially with these higher doses, maybe some people should (well not SHOULD..but could..) take these higher doses of DOC, and not just let the DOC do the work, but try and work with it, try and get into these deeper states, i'm REALLY interested to hear more reports on it,

I know people are experiencing it, several friends of mine have now, some of them before knowing about it, some after - but it seems that knowing the potential is there helps - on my last trip I was sort of 'guided' by this girl, she told me what the time loop was, how to get caught in it, what to be careful of when I do etc - and I "saw" the time tunnel, i saw how mentally I *could* go into it - but I wasn't in a setting where I could!

Actually I did take DOC after this time, and later on when i got back home, alone, although the dose was too low that time, I could stare off into space and *almost* get there.

Looking at a cell phone tower for some reason (not this last trip but the trip where the girl was guiding me sorta) was goign to suck me in if i stared long enough. Looking at something fractal in nature, something with triangles..or.. well something shaped with 'some' detail in it thats somewhat fractal looking that starts big closer to you and gets smaller in shapes further away from you - if your tripping on a large dose of DOC and in the right setting, try staring at a structure like this - fine fine FINE incredible details might emerge within each shape, just keep staring, and looking at the overall whole structure and try to see a pattern, what I was seeing with this cell phone tower.. wow.. well it ended up looking like a "tunnel" or "tornado" was appearing surrounding it that just kept extending upwards - if i stared too long I *know* i wouldve been sucked in!

.. But i couldn't in the setting I was in!

I know its an incredibly deep journey in there, and wish to explore it someday when I have the time! But maybe one of you can explore it and report on it ;).
 
bluedolphin said:
That is, assuming people don't snort a gram of the stuff...

A whole gram! Wow even if there are no adverse reactions to high doses like that 1 gram would be the most expensive drug habit ever! I've seen a gram of DOC get real close to the 4 digit mark in $USD
 
& heres the excerpts:)

VISUALS
Imagine your vision becoming so complex, so deep and intricate, that it feels like multiple universes are taking up space within the current image in front of you. Any single aspect of your vision, or object within the space, can not be regarded as a singular entity for more than a few seconds, and it’s hard to follow exactly what you’re seeing. Fractal shapes containing every color of the rainbow – and colors that are beyond the rainbow – seem to appear and disappear, shift and dash to various coordinates within the picture your eyes have been insta-painting to the multiple lobes of your brain. The world in front of you as a whole is melting downward, curling diagonally at the sides with an effect so profound, you’d think you had teleported into a 3D-Animated Pixar film. Staring at one single spot too long will execute a chain of events within your mind, eventually leading to a rippling effect that spirals out from the focal point, consuming anything and everything within your peripheral.

Most drugs make you “see” visuals. DOC makes you “feel” visuals. It’s as if your eyes have somehow gained their own sense of touch, and are reaching out to the textures in front of them, caressing the shadows and enveloping the waves of light. They are integrated into your mind state; they have literal meaning. The drug is active/aggressive and wants its power to be felt. It expresses itself by never resting; it demands attention and requires itself to be the process with the highest priority in the brain. The visuals of DOC surpass anything I have ever done. It’s leagues ahead of mushrooms and the 2C-x’s, and similar (yet stronger to) solid LSD visuals.



SOCIALIBILITY:
While there is no desire to speak to strangers, the situation is not too demanding when it occurs. Topics and questions seem to be more easily understood than when on many other types of psychedelics including Mushrooms and LSD (although very similar to the latter). The dazed-tripper look may be present in some, but will not be a big factor at all as long as you can maintain a straight face. Still, it can’t be denied that social interaction with sober individuals is harder to deal with than normally. When in a public place filled with people, the common thought that “everyone is looking at me” can definitely occur, and may give some sense of nervousness/anxiety. It is for this basic reason that I would not generally recommend DOC as a drug to be taken in an urban or active environment, especially one that is prone to be filled with various commotion.


THE PEAK:
Absolute Psychedelic Awareness. Bliss, a paradigm of the psychedelic feeling. Thoughts that rampage through your mind, colliding with themselves and provoking many strange, but positive emotions. Sight, sound, touch, and various other-worldly senses combine into one, blasting you in the face with realization that every aspect of life effects and relates to one another, not one aspect of the universe hides alone. Particles from the deepest reaches of space, no matter how seemingly useless or obscure, still have some sort of indirect effect on your location in the ‘here’ and ‘now’.

If thoughts become too abstract and you want to switch your mind to another topic, it can be easily done. The flowing of one thought into another is unbelievable during this multiple-hour long peak. It’s very similar to a hard LSD peak, and like-wise, much more directed, defined, and not as ‘questionable’ as that of a Psilocybin mushroom experience.
Make no mistake – this is heavy stuff. Really heavy stuff if taken at a higher dose such as this. It tests the limits of how deep and expansive your mind can actually go.



AURAL SENSES
DOC is a very auditory substance in addition to being visual. A spherical globe of sound seems to enter your head, and many additional ambient and background noises can be heard, usually without clear recognition of where they’re coming from. When listening to music in a closed environment, the sounds become non-directional and every single auditory particle can be felt and heard in the same place within your mind. It’s almost as if you can hear your brain taking in the sound waves and converting them to literal data that is recognizable. Music has few limits once the barrier has been breached this strongly, and it’s clear that DOC is one of the best drugs of all time when it comes to the ‘enhancement’ of sound.
 
BODY LOAD:
There is a very light body buzz that is present throughout the trip. It’s a positive buzz for the most part, although I wouldn’t say there is any euphoria present. The physical world around you seems animated – maybe slightly artificial. Movement is easy, but instinctual calculations on where to move oneself can be definitely altered. The anxiety that is felt on many psychedelics, and the feeling that “something is about to happen” can occur, but not too often. I feel this will greatly differ between users though, more so than any other aspect of the drug. But overall, I feel this is yet another positive side of the substance.



DESCENT:
Really long, really slow. The comedown is smoother and transitions slower than almost any drug I’ve ever done, if not the most. Sleep will not come easily and I found my mind racing even after 24 hours of ingesting my doses. This is probably the most negative aspect of the drug and I wish it would not be such a long lasting experience. It is mentally draining and the next day isn’t depressing, but it’s much like a standard psychedelic afterglow, where one does not want to be very active or take care of many real-world situations. If all drugs were put on a list in order of how negative their comedown’s were, DOC would probably be right around the middle. A lot of time needs to be freed up and dedicated to the use of this drug because it will zap you for multiple days.


OVERALL

The word “paradigm” is defined as “one that serves as a pattern or model”. This is the word that came into my head during some point in my trip, and it stuck with me. Contained within this drug is the essence of the meaning behind the word ‘psychedelic’. While not perfect, it’s one of the most complete experiences that a psychoactive substance is going to provide to the mind. The depth of our world is revealed, yet simplified and confined to each of our levels of understanding about life. Space and time are folded on top of each other and assimilate every sensual aspect of the universe, then presented to us as one single entity, proving that everything that has ever existed is in some way a part of us.

DOC is a hardcore psychedelic. I would compare it very closely to LSD, but being slightly longer lasting, and definitely more visual and colorful. I believe it’s one of the most successful ‘new age’ substances to have gotten recognition in the past decade within the drug community. I believe it could become popular if the circumstances call for it. But should it? That is the important question. It’s powerful, mind-bending, and more intense than most drugs the modern drug world knows about. Only time will tell when (or, if) one of these obscure substances becomes the next drug to gain popularity in the drug subculture. But personally, I hope something like this remains underground.
 
Psilo707 said:
Sleep will not come easily and I found my mind racing even after 24 hours of ingesting my doses. This is probably the most negative aspect of the drug and I wish it would not be such a long lasting experience.
That's what I felt as well. The main problem is the way that the psychedelic effects aren't as long lasting as the amphetamine affects. So you end up after 24 hours with your mind racing, yet the trip ended many hours ago. If this was not the case DOC would definately be my drug of choice.
 
FlameMan said:
That's what I felt as well. The main problem is the way that the psychedelic effects aren't as long lasting as the amphetamine affects. So you end up after 24 hours with your mind racing, yet the trip ended many hours ago. If this was not the case DOC would definately be my drug of choice.

Would a good benzo counter act these effects?
 
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