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The Old and Overgrown 2C-E Thread

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That is how my last 2C-E trip was, and I took 20mg. It's been 1 1/2 years since I've gone back, but I still glow thinking about the trip.
 
morninggloryseed said:
But when trying to direct a trip, more often or not I was left disappointed. Now, I just take them when it feels right and if I am gifted with something special, well then I am grateful for it.
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That is an excellent attitude to have, my friend. :)
 
^ True. I've had two +4's in all my tripping days. One was off of just 1 hit of LSD (my first trip), and the second was off of a large dose of mushrooms.

I have no doubt that 2C-E is a great precursor for +4 experiences. Of all the psychedelics I've tried over the years, LSD, Mushrooms and 2C-E seem like the best candidates for these kinds of trips.
 
^ I don't doubt that LSD can take you there, it just has never caused everything to allign right with me. Mushrooms, Mescaline and 2C-E are the best candidates from my experience. All of these have given me some truly transcendental moments that I would not trade anything for.

My 2C-E experience I posted about above. It was my most intense +4 by far, and lasted for about 2 hours (I cannot say how long it felt like...time became a lost concept). It felt like the entire universe was created to create this one moment, and it was the most precious time spent. I feel like this will be the last time I spend with 2C-E. She allowed me to learn what I needed to learn, and any more would be abuse.

Mescaline gave me an intense +4 that was significant in a different way than 2C-E. It was more of a reassurance that made me feel like I was a part of something larger. For an athiest, this was tremendous. I am still working out what I learned two years ago, which is why I have not touched Mescaline since, and probably never will.

Mushrooms gave me the most astounding sense of deja vu that kept building until I felt myself disappear into the surroundings (I was out camping in northern Appalachiens). I felt I was taught all I could be taught from mushrooms and won't use them again due to the same reason I won't use 2C-E again.

LSD, DMT, 2C-I, 2C-B, 2C-T-7, 2C-C, AMT, DOC and many others are all chemicals that allow me to have fun and enjoy/appreciate life more but they don't build to anything too special for me, no matter how hard I look. DMT is the oddest of the sort because I expected so much from it and while it gave me a rather frightening and intense insight, I did not leave the experiences with any lasting outlooks that changed me somewhere in the core. Only mushrooms, mescaline and 2C-E have.

I know people who have had life changing experiences on LSD so I still respect it highly every time I encounter it. I suppose everyone is different in their beliefs and perhaps this why sometimes they will have these life-changing trials and other won't.

Just my thoughts....sorry if it is a ramble.
 
treefingers49 said:
I have no doubt that 2C-E is a great precursor for +4 experiences. Of all the psychedelics I've tried over the years, LSD, Mushrooms and 2C-E seem like the best candidates for these kinds of trips.
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Yep. It definitely has that 'It' factor to steal your breath away and make you swoon.

The intensity of the experience is just stunning, it is truly remarkable to me. And it's so strange. For me, it doesn't really effect me emotionally. I feel no great sense of joy, sorrow, laughter, regret, whatever- like I do with other psychedelics, because I am an emotional person. With 2C-E, there's none of that. It's just this sense of total wonder and awe at the grandeur of it all, the fuckin magnitude. It's coldness, and it is fright sometimes because it's like you're riding on the back of a runaway freight and you have no idea where that train is going to end up or if it's gonna wreck. The overriding sensation of a 2C-E trip for me is one of ohmygodohmygodohmygodomygod.........

I dunno. I believe I'm attracted to its coldness. It's like when you get beguiled by some cruel, cold, heartless bitch- but you just can't let her go. Amazing stuff...
 
Drugs just treat everyone differently. People here are claiming ++++ from 2c-e and others are saying they have achieved this from LSD. Personally SWIM has almost reached ++++ from 2c-e and only once from LSD. Every person will react differently to every drug. It even depends on the setting and set. You could have a life shattering eye opening ++++ on 25mg of 2c-e one time and maybe only a +++ the next. It all depends on dose, mindset, setting, personality, and the context in which you are taking it. There are so many factors contribution to the direction of your trip. Very good thread by the way.

SWIM has been on the brink of ++++ with this substance at 18-22mg and hopes to expolre this substance with a higher dose.....peace
 
I don't doubt that LSD can take you there, it just has never caused everything to allign right with me. Mushrooms, Mescaline and 2C-E are the best candidates from my experience. All of these have given me some truly transcendental moments that I would not trade anything for.
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LSD never did it for me, despite longing and wishing that it would; my two experiences were with mescaline and 2C-E (and an 'almost ran' with DOM, but that was really frustrating, so it doesn't really count). I think it's more a case of 'horses for courses' - just because a certain drug produces a +4 in you doesn't mean that it will in anybody else. In terms of what's happened to me, I've discovered that phenethylamines seem to be the trigger with me (although I'm more sensitive to tryptamines/ergolines, they tend to produce an underlying fear/anxiety that stops it flowering into a +4), although I'd love to experience a +4 with either a tryptamine/ergoline before I pop my clogs
 
This is a quote by F&B from way back around post # 377

fastandbulbous said:
After taking 17.5mg of 2C-E, I had moments where all of my senses seemed to overlap and blur together. Not talking about synthesthaesia, where an input from one sense is perceived via another sense (music generating visuals etc), more of all of them merging together into one universal sense, one unified sensory awareness of everything around me. That trip turned into only one of 2 ++++'s I've ever experienced in 23 years of tripping, and I was wondering if the two were connected.

Is this universal sense feeling something that is needed to produce a ++++ state, or mearly a product of ++++ experience beginning
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F&B’s quote reminded me of a line from The Heart Sutra (a text of some importance to various forms of Buddhism) that goes roughly: “No eyes, no ears, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind.” From what I gather it is getting at, in the state of clear realization (AKA enlightenment) there is no such thing as a thing, a sense, a sensation, etc. there just is a unity of all beyond subject / object duality. A Zen story that seems to capture this says roughly that when enlightenment comes there is no ear hearing and no bell sounding… only ringing. It could be that 2C-E acts sort of like a chemical koan at higher doses. It’s ruthless logical assault at higher doses ultimately leaves the common sense of self fully deconstructed and open to experience qua experience. This may or may not make some sense in the context of the discussion of this sort of sensory fusion.

At the very least 2C-E appears to be a fairly well liked compound with preliminary data showing 92.7 % of those responding to a survey on it considering it a “Worthwhile Material” or better, and 14.5 % considering it the “Best Chemical Ever Ingested.”

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Well I've obtained a 2c-e capsule, said to be 14mg. I'm reluctant to take it for I'm not sure how I'd handle the experience. I've done acid 3 times, shrooms 3 times, and salvia several times. about half of those trips I'd consider +++.

I'm just wondering if I should be testing 2c-e at this point of my psychedelic career.... the last thing I want is to bad trip
 
Eh, 14mg should be okay. But make sure you're in a safe place where you're comfortable, and if you're with someone, make sure you're very comfortable with them. Also make sure to have good music and a comfortable place to lie down... you'll most likely want to. Either that, or do it outside away from civilization.

14mg is variable... some people find it to be very strong and produce a strong +3, while others find it pretty weak. Personally, 14mg doesn't do much for me. But 18mg blew my world apart in the most dramatic and insanely intense event of my life.

Also, do you trip often? Sounds like you don't... but if you do, and you won't be able to get more, you should take a pretty long break before trying it. I'm currently taking a break from tripping, because I was doing it every weekend. Where 18mg once provided me one of my only +4 states I've been to, last time I took it, 21mg produced a pretty weak state which was interesting but not really even very visual, and quite regular mentally other than a very active analytical thought process. At that point, I knew I needed a break... :\

So yes, I think it would be okay, and in fact I would suggest you do so soon, as it's a wonderful compound. Just make sure you're well-read on it, and realize that any discomfort or fear you may feel (which 14mg may well not even produce) is a product of your head, and is not actually a physical danger. 2C-E, when it gets intense, can lead you to feel like you're in physical danger, but I've monitored myself reliably before while under such an episode and my heart was not, in fact, beating at 180+ BPM. It was more like 90-100.
 
Krowsnose said:
Well I've obtained a 2c-e capsule, said to be 14mg. I'm reluctant to take it for I'm not sure how I'd handle the experience. I've done acid 3 times, shrooms 3 times, and salvia several times. about half of those trips I'd consider +++.

I'm just wondering if I should be testing 2c-e at this point of my psychedelic career.... the last thing I want is to bad trip
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If you don't want a negative psychedelic experience, don't have one.
 
I had an MDMA + 2C-B thread up a while ago, but I never got around to trying it. Instead I had 1 tab of some fine LSD + 120 mg MDMA and the setting was my first time seeing my favorite band, MMJ, live at Bonnaroo. Words can not even begin to describe this experience. It would have easily been the best performance I'd ever seen without the drugs. Sends chills down my spine just thinking about it.

Sorry, this is completely off topic.

Go with LSD + MDMA.
 
General Anesthetic said:
But I was lying on my bed, and I remember looking down and seeing bits and pieces of myself scattered all over the floor. Not gory, bloody chunks like that- but as if I were a mirror that had been shattered and was lying in jagged shards all over the floor. I remember mentally trying to reach down and pick up the pieces so I could fit them all back into place again. It was just incredible.
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Shenxiu’s Poem:

Our body is the bodhi tree,
Our mind a mirror bright.
Always strive to polish it,
And let no dust alight.
[cf. SOCT, 496]



Hui-neng’s Poem:

Originally no bodhi tree,
Nor stand of a mirror bright.
Since neither of these things exist,
Where can the dust alight.
[cf. SOCT, 498]
 
meh, been like 2 hours and 20 minutes and nothing too crazy yet... O.o what does that mean

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well, I had a rather mild to moderate trip last night with the 15mg. All psychedelics seem to affect me the same way O.o acid, shrooms, and now 2c-e produce almost identical visuals and I always have the same general feeling.... I honestly can't tell much of a difference... I wasn't even that introspective but more confused having difficulties integrating the experience

i guess if I ever take this again I'll be increasing the dose by at least 4mg
 
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^BreakingSet

Outstanding! =D

Now first polish your mirror,
And then go wash your bowl.
When the big night doth come,
The truth will dust extol.

:| Zen Master: *smack*

Quit being so clever,
And attend to your chore.
Cease the rhyming drivel,
And derail this thread no more.


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Krowsnose said:
i guess if I ever take this again I'll be increasing the dose by at least 4mg
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Do not go any higher than 19-20 mg. should you proceed with another trial. At a certain point this compound becomes VERY non-linear with regard to the dose/response curve (where just a 1 -3 mg. dosage change can easily increase subjective potency as much as 50-100% in some persons). While the particular ‘spot’ may vary from person to person, once you get there minute changes in dosage can easily precipitate marked changes in effects.

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