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the official 'pets and drugs' thread

many people, in this thread and others, force their pets to get high because they tell themselves that the animals enjoy it. the animal may not consent.

often, i find, they're more concerned with laughing at the animal for their own enjoyment and have no real concern for the pet's well-being (although they tell themselves they do...)

when you get a pet high are you really doing it for your pet?

I've tried to keep her away from the ganj!!! but she loves it too much.
I used to keep my weed stashed in a pill bottle, until one morning I woke up and saw that my dog had chewed through the pill bottle and eaten a whole eight of my dank....now if thats not consent to get high I dont know what is.
 
i agree with alasdair. we have no idea how pets will percieve being in an altered state of reality. I can imagine that drugs with a psychedelic nature would be the most detrimental, seeing as the "mind fuck" would be too much for the animal to comprehend.

and as for non-psychedelic drugs: after my dog had surgery, the veterinarian gave him morphine. I came to visit him in the vet's office and he could barely walk in a strait line, it was actually pretty sad because he was very disoriented and looked quite frightened.

I personally think that it is terribly cruel to give animals drugs. and even if it isn't, what harm can it do them to deny them drugs?

is there a chance that your dog might enjoy being high? maybe. but in my mind, it's better safe than sorry. I personally love my animals too much to put them through a potentially horrifying experience. it's just...not right.
 
on the road said:
until one morning I woke up and saw that my dog had chewed through the pill bottle and eaten a whole eight of my dank....now if thats not consent to get high I dont know what is.

that's not consent, that's addiction, and it's terrible that your dog would go to those lengths in order to get high.
 
I'm sorry but if you can't tell if your dog/cat is happy, sad, hurt, confused, whatever....then YOUR senses are fucked up.

I agree that not ALL pets would want to get high, and I think it's wrong to force a pet to drink or get high, but it becomes very obvious when your pet is happy or excited about something. if your pet likes to get high, and seeks it out, wtf's the problem??????????
 
Originally posted by on the road
She ate a whole ounce one time that was left over from when we made brownies...


related reading: Giving pot to pets can be fatal

i'm sure you think it's really cool and hilarious that your dog appears to like pot but i just don't think it's something a responsible pet owner does.

if you love the animal is it really worth the risk?

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
Originally posted by Tranced
It must have worked because his cat, which we promptly forgot about, sat and stare at the wall un-responsively for the next 3 hours.


must have worked?

i've seen cats who have never been exposed to pot do that...

:)

alasdair

and I've seen people out clubbing with huge pupils who don't do any drug. What's you're point? I'm fairly fucking sure it was stoned.
 
Dr. McBudstoke said:
that's not consent, that's addiction, and it's terrible that your dog would go to those lengths in order to get high.

that's addiction just because the dog chewed through a bottle to get weed? dogs do that to get food too. shit, dogs will chew up shoes, furniture, and just about anything just for fun. couldn't it just be that since dogs just sit around all day with no structured schedule to occupy them, that maybe his dog was just bored and wanted to get stoned, like most of us?

an addiction is when your life revolves around a certain drug/activity. it's when your social life, your relationships, your work and other priorities become negatively affected by a habit. how is his dog's pot "addiction" going to negatively affect its priorities. it's a fucking house pet. it doesn't have to worry about survival. it has no fucking priorites other than making itself happy.
it's pretty common knowledge that pot isn't very physically addictive. its psychological addiction potential is also negligible. so don't you think you're exagerating a bit with that statement?

that dog clearly enjoys the high it recieves from the bud. quit being a fascist hypocrite and just let the animals have their pot.
 
alasdairm said:
Originally posted by on the road
She ate a whole ounce one time that was left over from when we made brownies...


related reading: Giving pot to pets can be fatal

i'm sure you think it's really cool and hilarious that your dog appears to like pot but i just don't think it's something a responsible pet owner does.

if you love the animal is it really worth the risk?

alasdair

well, let's assess the risk of ALLOWING your pet to get stoned:

  • psychological addiction - nope, don't have to worry about that
  • physical addiction - nope, not a problem either
  • psychological habituation - possible, but it's unlikely to have a negative impact on the animal.
  • death - well, the LD50 in rats of THC orally is somewhere between 1270 mg/kg to 730 mg/kg. now say you have a very small dog. like a 5 lbs. chihuahua. then your dog could most likely consume 3 grams of PURE THC without any significant negative health impact. now let's assume that you ONLY give your dog high quality hashish. the potency of high quality hashish is roughly 68.6% then your dog could consume up to 4.37 grams of hash and most likely still survive.
    most pot heads probably wouldn't let their pets get near their stash of hashish, so let's re-calculate this in grams of high grade chronic. the medical cannabis potency testing project estimates the potency of high quality weed in the states to be roughly 19.4% on average. that means a 5 pound chihuahua can eat up to 15.5 grams of chronic without risk of death.

and these are conservative estimates based on the LD50 of rats on 5 pound chihuahuas.

so if you ask me, there's not much risk involved if you're not completely reckless in ALLOWING your pet to consume marijuana
 
thursday said:
that means a 5 pound chihuahua can eat up to 15.5 grams of chronic without risk of death.
Errr..... "without risk of death"? To be perfectly certain there's no risk of death you would have to be at the "LD 0" dose, which is zero grams. Anything above that gives a risk of death. I'd imagine 15.5g of chronic would still have a sizable risk of health complications or death, it just might not be 50%.

Although I don't have a pet, if I did I would keep all drugs away in safe places (though I hardly keep drugs in the house anyway) and never let the pet get near them. Just seems a mixture of irresponsible and cruel IMO.
 
Originally posted by Tranced
and I've seen people out clubbing with huge pupils who don't do any drug. What's you're point?


QED.

my point is that, based on the evidence, you have no way of knowing the cat was stoned.

alasdair
 
Originally posted by thursday
so if you ask me, there's not much risk involved if you're not completely reckless in ALLOWING your pet to consume marijuana


i understand what your saying but i can't help feeling you're simply trying to justify your actions. perhaps the risk of death is low - there's no solid information in the links you gave (and your dog is not a rat so the LD50 figures have to be treated with some respect).

given that communication with animals is not as exact a science as it would be if they could talk, my point stands: a lot of people who give their animals drugs do not consider the well-being of the animal but focus more on some idealised concept of something cool or fun to do. i'm generalisin obviously.

given that we do know what happens for sure when we don't give pets drugs and we don't know for sure when we do, i suggest that responsible pet owners feel better safe than sorry.

it seems pretty clear i'm not going to convince you so i hope, sincerely, that your pet does not have a bad episode.

alasdair
 
well seeing as i dont have a pet, i'm really not trying to justify anything. i'm just trying to present my opinion on this issue. because i'm an ardent proponent of responsible drug use, and i believe there is nothing inherently wrong with recreational drug use, i think this applies to all species, not just humans. you might find some of the things discussed in this book to be somewhat supportive of my position:

http://www.innertraditions.com/isbn/0-89281-986-3

exerpt from the site:

An Italian ethnobotanist explores the remarkable propensity of wild animals to seek out and use psychoactive substances.
* Throws out behaviorist theories that claim animals have no consciousness.
* Offers a completely new understanding of the role psychedelics play in the development of consciousness in all species.
* Reveals drug use to be a natural instinct.

From caffeine-dependent goats to nectar addicted ants, the animal kingdom offers amazing examples of wild animals and insects seeking out and consuming the psychoactive substances in their environments. Author Giorgio Samorini explores this little-known phenomenon and suggests that, far from being confined to humans, the desire to experience altered states of consciousness is a natural drive shared by all living beings and that animals engage in these behaviors deliberately. Rejecting the Western cultural assumption that using drugs is a negative action or the result of an illness, Samorini opens our eyes to the possibility that beings who consume psychedelics--whether humans or animals--contribute to the evolution of their species by creating entirely new patterns of behavior that eventually will be adopted by other members of that species. The author's fascinating accounts of mushroom-loving reindeer, intoxicated birds, and drunken elephants ensure that readers will never view the animal world in quite the same way again.

maybe people and animals aren't that radically different?
 
hmm, interesting debate....

i don't have any pets at the moment

but i figure if the pet looks like it wants it
it's okay
i try to treat animals with as much respect as people
i don't try to protect them from the outside world...

but forcing drugs on animals is just as bad as forcing drugs on people!
 
My dogs and cats like to get high. They'll try to get in the path of hits when people blow them out.

My dog also really likes coke, but we try to avoid letting her get into any.
 
My 2c. I haven't read the 8 pages in this thread cuz i don't have the time so please excuse if I repeat what has been said.



Would you give a person drugs without their knowledge?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

Altered states on unsuspecting participants can (with a high probability) have severe adverse psychological effects.



Would you put your dog on a rollercoaster?
 
julinka said:
My dogs and cats like to get high. They'll try to get in the path of hits when people blow them out.

This is a twisted stoner mentality. For the life of me I can't understand this phenomenon, but chronic smokers everywhere seem to genuinely believe that every living thing on Earth wants to be high or is high. My friends once took some bong rips and blew the smoke on a spider that was chilling on the wall. When they looked back five minutes later, the spider was still just chillin there and they started yelling, "We got that spider soo high!" with the kind of enthusiam usually reserved for winning a Nobel Prize. Then they blew some more smoke on it and it fell off the wall, which was actually pretty funny.

But look, your fucking cat or dog does not want to get high, because unlike you, your pet's idea of fun is not sitting around playing video games, eating hot cheetos and laughing at really stupid shit while their shirt accumulates a variety of stains. What's more likely is that your dog actually comes toward you when you're smoking because it WANTS TO BE PETTED or engage in some other normal dog activity, like eating.
 
Originally posted by julinka
My dog also really likes coke...

how do you know for sure?

dogs eat shit you know. they'll eat virtually anything once. that doesn't mean they like it or it's good for them...

sigh.

alasdair
 
Benefit said:
This is a twisted stoner mentality. For the life of me I can't understand this phenomenon, but chronic smokers everywhere seem to genuinely believe that every living thing on Earth wants to be high or is high. My friends once took some bong rips and blew the smoke on a spider that was chilling on the wall. When they looked back five minutes later, the spider was still just chillin there and they started yelling, "We got that spider soo high!" with the kind of enthusiam usually reserved for winning a Nobel Prize. Then they blew some more smoke on it and it fell off the wall, which was actually pretty funny.

But look, your fucking cat or dog does not want to get high, because unlike you, your pet's idea of fun is not sitting around playing video games, eating hot cheetos and laughing at really stupid shit while their shirt accumulates a variety of stains. What's more likely is that your dog actually comes toward you when you're smoking because it WANTS TO BE PETTED or engage in some other normal dog activity, like eating.

i think you're generalizing the attitudes of a very large population of people a little too much. yea, i'm sure some stoners do get their pets high against there wills like tossing a cat into a pillow case and shotgunning it, but there are also stoners who really do care for the well being of their pets, and those are the ones that only "allow" their pets to get high because they've observed behavior in their pets that suggested that their pets enjoy getting high with them.

not all stoners are clueless and delusional like your friends.
 
Benefit said:
This is a twisted stoner mentality. For the life of me I can't understand this phenomenon, but chronic smokers everywhere seem to genuinely believe that every living thing on Earth wants to be high or is high. My friends once took some bong rips and blew the smoke on a spider that was chilling on the wall. When they looked back five minutes later, the spider was still just chillin there and they started yelling, "We got that spider soo high!" with the kind of enthusiam usually reserved for winning a Nobel Prize. Then they blew some more smoke on it and it fell off the wall, which was actually pretty funny.

But look, your fucking cat or dog does not want to get high, because unlike you, your pet's idea of fun is not sitting around playing video games, eating hot cheetos and laughing at really stupid shit while their shirt accumulates a variety of stains. What's more likely is that your dog actually comes toward you when you're smoking because it WANTS TO BE PETTED or engage in some other normal dog activity, like eating.

this man knows that he's talking about
so true about the twisted stoner mentality!
 
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