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Alasdairm: it may have to wait till Amsterdam '09 :(. I'm leaving here in March but I'm going the other way, up through Asia.

Yippee Skippy said:
Classic fish reasoning "I put you on AK"

I think you played it correctly, btw.
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Yeah, he was like "I was sure you didn't have the Q". :D

WTF was I raising with PF then? Pretty bold read if he thinks I must have had AK, AJ, AT or worse.

That was just one of those tourneys, every good hand I had got cracked (AKs v A7o, KK v A5 - both of those they raised me all-in PF). No big deal.
 
i play in the same big on-line to tourney every day (over 600 people) i now have gone out in the top 30 three days in a row with aces :X first had aces bb called my 4 times the blind bet flop comes Q,8,8 rainbow he leads out with a pot size bet... i have the 2 aces which suites aren't on the board blocking the donkey a/8 suited play. the only hand that i think he might have is queens which i'd slow play so i figure my ace's are good push all-in to take down the pot there he called me with j-8 suited. yesterday i'm all-in pre-flop ace's vs 10's he spikes a 10 on the flop. today ace's vs j's all-in pre-flop runner, runner flush beats me.
 
anyone got any tips for avoiding thoughtless play? i find myself asking myself if ill ever learn to stop becoming a hopeless calling station, it has got to be the drugs..but i could be wrong.
 
Well, if you're a "hopeless calling station" - use it to your advantage. If people are getting the impression that you're calling light, you should be able to let them bet your monsters for you.

Really, the best advice I can give you is vary your play. Play stupid-tight for a time and then switch it up right when people think you're the biggest nit in the universe. As soon as they think they can steal your blind every time, get all aggro and resteal like a motherfucker.
 
my apologies if this has came up, which im guessing it probably has, but i havent taken the time to reread this thread.

i just started playing w/ people ive never played w/ before and they all seem like they know how to play the game somewhat, but i dont think any of them have read any books or anything like that. they arent breaking the bank playing, just once a weekend maybe. my question is how to deal w/ people that call pretty much everything and bet w/ anything? ive tried reraising, and im playing my position as well, but it seems that the fuckers that call Q2 off hit on the flop or some shit. i think the only thing i can really do is reraise like a motherfucker on decent hands and hope to get lucky at the beginning of the game so i dont get blinded out, like last time. 2nd place for the lose.
 
my question is how to deal w/ people that call pretty much everything and bet w/ anything?
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Tighten up. The rule of thumb is, play the opposite of how the table is. If they call everything then raise premium hands ONLY. Never/rarely limp.
it seems that the fuckers that call Q2 off hit on the flop or some shit.
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You are going to have to embrace the concept that you LOVE them calling with Q2. If you are a nearly 90% favorite...
Hand 0: 88.072% 87.87% 00.20% 1504646 3413.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 11.928% 11.73% 00.20% 200832 3413.00 { Qs2h }
guess what - you'll win nearly 90% of the time!
i think the only thing i can really do is reraise like a motherfucker on decent hands and hope to get lucky at the beginning of the game so i dont get blinded out, like last time. 2nd place for the lose.
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Just play solid ABC poker, raise for value, not to steal blinds as much early.

Also, you have to be willing to shove your stack in pre-flop w/less-than-stellar holdings if you start getting short-stacked towards the end. You need to do that while you still have enough chips to actually make a dent in your opponents' stacks so they think twice about whether they want to risk half of their chips with that same Q2. And remember - even if they call your push and you have J3, you'll have 2 live cards!

Short-stack tournament play is something I find most people suck at, so when you start playing fairly strict push/fold poker with 10bb's or less you'll definitely have the advantage over them. There's some more to it, but that is the basic concept.

Here's how I went out of a tournament the other day when I was in pretty solid position:
http://www.ckpnetwork.com/WebServices/HandHistory.aspx?Hand=xcfNwcXCssWywcTExczAwojAxc3AwsM=

Shitty result, but god bless "her" (had a female avatar - but so do I) for putting her tournament on the line with such a shitty hand!
Hand 0: 67.678% 67.43% 00.25% 1154567 4282.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 32.322% 32.07% 00.25% 549173 4282.00 { Ad3d }
I was a (slightly) better than 2:1 favorite, and that my friend, is a bet you should take pretty much EVERY time in poker!
 
^ i thought for a second that this:

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was the flop, turn and river and that and she flopped quad aces :)

alasdair
 
i'd say that flopping a set is one of life's finest joys. agreed?
 
it's not as great as flopping a royal flush (which i did once in a casino tournament)

:)

yep - i agree. especially if you have a small pocket pair and you get the set and one of your opponents hits something like top pair, top kicker on the same flop.

alasdair
 
if anyone can help me out with some opinions/advice on this situation i'd appreciate it, this situation was a recent one that i happened to save and analyze..
$3-6 NL HE
youre holding 10 10, stack of $150 , call a raise of $20. flop 10 J 4 2 clubs, sb checks, i check, player 3 bets $40, sb calls, think for a few and push all in for $130, they both fold. was this the right move..? was i supposed to slow play with the few draws on board?? not really right , i got alot of equity by pushing in my opinion anyways but i'm wondering if it was worth letting them chase for whatever it may have been..or to take the pot down right there.
 
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So you're in the BB right?

$60 in the pot, then a bet of $40 - so $129 after the bet and call. You've got $130 behind - so yeah - shove 'em in. I don't think there's any other choice.

edit - my math was bad.
 
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I would have bet the flop. there are way to many draws, to big of a pot, and to many players to give up a free card. 2/3 the pot seems about right
 
Mehm said:
I would have bet the flop. there are way to many draws, to big of a pot, and to many players to give up a free card. 2/3 the pot seems about right
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So you say bet ~ $45 into the $60 pot? That leaves you w/$85. Say you get 1 call - that makes the pot $150 on turn. I guess if it's a total scare card, such as another club you could check/fold, but I think that's pretty awful. But open shoving the turn won't really scare anyone w/a draw off either because you're betting a little more than 1/2 the pot. And you'd probably get 2 callers on the flop based on the action OP described, so you'd be even worse off, betting $85 into a $195 pot.

I think the check/shove on the flop was the only way to get value out of this hand w/o taking a VERY high variance route.

Get your money in good. With that short-stack, there's not much room to get fancy.
 
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I'd bet around 45 on the flop because it sets up a 2:1 call for the other players. Even if one calls it's only 3:1. You don't mind a call because they probably aren't getting the correct drawing odds (it's most likely that they'll miss their draw....and at this level, no one is chasing a pure flush or straight draw with those kind of odds, implied and otherwise). On the other hand, A-Q J, AT, JT suited, and all the overpairs might call, which is fantastic. I feel like 45 is enough to fold the draws and keep the second best hands betting. If you run into a set of jacks, it was meant to be, and a combo flush/straight draw is possible but somewhat unlikely.

Cold checking is very bad because it allows a free card, and an open shove only folds second best hands along with the draws. imo :)
 
So you're saying you want them to fold to your bet on the flop? Where's the value in that? Check-raising gets you those 2 bets in AND probably shuts it down too.

My point is, if you bet and get called you don't have much left on turn to protect against any draws and if something comes out that's scary you may end up check/folding - and you might be folding to a bluff.

If it was Heads Up, I might lead for a solid bet, but not in a 3-way pot.
 
there is value because it does get called, by J or T with good kick, or two pair. by checking, you allow for a free card if the third person checks, which is the worst thing that can happen. I suppose how that person has been playing is a large factor in deciding how to play the hand.

If they do have a draw, betting an amount that gives improper calling odds, but will still be called is the best. This same amount will more than likely be called by a second best hand. If no one has a hand, it might be best to check and hope for a bluff, but the way the hand was played pre-flop, I'd say that draws and top pairs are likely candidates. Again, how your opponent plays these hands is a big decider.
 
Mehm said:
by checking, you allow for a free card if the third person checks, which is the worst thing that can happen.
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Oh yeah, I fucking HATE when you plan to check-raise and no one bets!!!!

Good points, sir. I just hate not having much behind on later streets, but I might float a flop bet in position with a reasonable hand - overs, combo draws, etc. Then when the turn comes I might have no choice BUT to call!
 
get holdem manager if you value your money.

i can't believe i played for so long without this software!
 
"And Jest - do you have (or know by heart) good pushbot charts? If not I'd be happy to send you mine."

yippee: would you please send me that pushbot chart as well? it would be much appreciated! :D
 
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