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the official 2011-12 college football thread! part 1 ver. WHERE IS SMOTPOKER??

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Alabama #16 in the BCS final standings? Oh man... They are my team and all, but damn, they belong in the top 5 for sure.

Re: SEC vs. Big Ten, SEC certainly has an advantage, especially in the west. The Big Ten has amazing potential with these new teams and if teams like Michigan and Penn State start playing up to their program's potential (which seems to have been lost to a degree)...
 
If it's any consolation, the AP and USAToday has them 10 and 11 respectively, it's just the final BCS poll where they drop to 16 - mostly due to having 3 losses (each one hurts quite a bit, even it they were all to top 20 teams).

I don't see Penn State ever being more than it has been for the last few years as long as JoePa is there. It's been essentially the same program for the past 10 yrs, with one great year and some bad ones, but it just can't rise to being a national power. Maybe a top tier Little10+2 team, pulling upsets once in awhile and finishing with 9-10 win seasons, but not a top 10 team nationally other than the occasional blip in rankings just before a loss.

Michigan? Maybe. A lot depends on what the new new coach does with the talent he's got. For now I see tOSU sitting atop again, pretty much alone. IOWA remains a close second, and MSU will flare up now and then. There's a lot of hope pinned to bringing in NEB and the conference championship game, but I think it will take awhile of having top 10 teams in that championship game before the league starts wearing off the tarnish it currently has. But that's just my opinion.

It'll be interesting to see how the PAC10 goes for the coming years, with USC struggling to come back (I give Kiffin maybe 2 more years), and Oregon standing on top for awhile. UCLA lost Chow, so I'm not sure they can continue the climb some fans (lapdawg) claim will occur each year...and doesn't actually materialize. The question will be who else in the PAC10 will step up and help the conference?

Likewise, the Big12-2 is sinking on the Titanic Texas Ship. OU will remain as they are, the other team in conference, and while TX is down OU will be THE team in the conference. I just don't see the TX staying down for long, and none of the remaining teams able to mount a sustainable challenge within the conference.

Big Easy? No future. Take away their BCS bid.

ACC? I'm begging for FSU and MIA to step up and make it no longer the VT show :\ I've got more faith in FSU than MIA at this point, based primarily on commitments, talent, and coaching.

SEC? Right now I'd bet the east will be a run between some B-level teams like USCe and TN, possible UGA gets their shit together. But none of the east teams will be top 10. It'll be the West again next year. Probably LSU, maybe AL. AU will make some noise but won't sustain losing Cam and Fairly. MSU will continue to climb well above their previous accomplishments, but they are a good 5 yrs from challenging for the West (case in point, see Spurrier's Gamecocks).

I see a down year coming next year. Maybe it's a good shot for tOSU to get back into the NC (if they get thru the first 5 games). Maybe ORE will see them there, maybe Oklahoma. Smaller chance, IMO, to see a return of an SEC team.
 
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You shouldn't give a kid a scholarship only to take it away because you, the coach, (lookin at u saban) misjudged what kind of player he was going to be. That's completely fucked.
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Should it matter if that is made explicit to the kid when he signs? It changes things, IMO.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html

Give Saban credit. At least he tells recruits they might get cut to clear space for newer signees. When the Myrtle Beach (S.C.) Sun-News interviewed seven participants in the Offense-Defense Bowl about the topic of the one-year, renewable scholarship, only one, Alabama commitment Christion Jones, knew his scholarship had to be renewed annually. "Coach Saban told me it's a one-year scholarship you have to work for," Jones told the paper. "Some coaches don't tell some kids. Some kids have to find out the hard way."
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Honestly, and this is coming from someone who roots for a team that, I'm told by you, doesn't oversign (right?), Saban's deal seems like a fair one. Academic scholarships come with strings attached, why shouldn't athletic ones?
 
^^That was a pretty good article. I was unaware of the self regulation the Little10+2 had instituted so long ago, but it makes sense with the sense of fairness they tend to exude, and cry about others not having. I suppose others would call it 'class'.

It's funny, too, that of the seven asked, only the ALA recruit knew - and he was informed by Saban. Interesting.
 
what do you SEC hand-jobbers think will be the team to beat this year?

I also think that the SEC East was such a joke this year. that had to be the worst showing the SEC East ever had in CFB history; seriously some borderline hilarity

do you think the SEC East will get its act together - or the SEC West will continue to be the only SEC sub-division that matters?

(man it really sucks that the only thing I can talk about in my CFB forum is the SEC. it's like the only thing you Southern thickies wan't to talk about, even if the team you support is bad. but oh well, I will take SEC discussion over not talking about CFB any day. just wish you would peak your heads over the Mason-Dixon for once)

I think that is tOSU was in the SEC this next year, they would easily win the conference (Buckeyes suspensions included, because we all know what cupcakes the SEC schedules for OOC games ;))
 
here axl: I think that tOSU has the easiest walk to the NC this coming season, and the best shot to win it all of any team I can think of. You might see the Sooners there, or Bama.

As for the SEC East-- I think its Tennessee's to lose. USCe can't be relied upon to win more than one big game.
 
I agree with tOSU sentiments, PB, but I am wary

first off, it's easy for me to think this every year (and it sucks coming one game short in the regular season)

however, the biggest fear of mine is going to be how the Buckeyes fair against Miami and Michigan State. I don't think Miami will be as much as a challenge as I am making them out to be in my head, but you never know (it hurts even more that the game is in Florida)

Sparty isn't going to be as good as they were last year; but they scare me because they upset perhaps the Greatest tOSU team of all time in 1998 - where the Buckeyes should have won and should have been destined to raep in the National Championship; but couldn't due to Sparty

these two games are the challenge. I think that if tOSU can overcome the adversity of their star athletes selling their unwanted gear (something PB and I have teh blues over ;)) - then they should be in the BCS Title Game

I hope they would be against Chokelahoma lol
 
axl blaze said:
I think that is tOSU was in the SEC this next year, they would easily win the conference (Buckeyes suspensions included, because we all know what cupcakes the SEC schedules for OOC games ;))
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Follow up:

Top SEC Out-Of-Conference Matchups For 2011
LSU vs Oregon – Sep 3, 2011 – Arlington, TX
Georga vs Boise State – Sep 3, 2011 – Atlanta, GA
Alabama at Penn State – Sep 10, 2011
Arkansas vs Texas A&M – Oct 1, 2011 – Arlington, TX
Auburn at Clemson – Sep 17, 2011
Florida vs Florida State – Nov 26, 2011

Honorable Mentions
LSU at West Virginia – Sep 24, 2011
Tennessee vs Cincinnati – Sep 10, 2011
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Big 12 Football: Top 10 Non-Conference Games for 2011
1. Oklahoma at Florida State
2. Texas A&M vs. Arkansas
3. Oklahoma State vs. Arizona
4. Texas Vs. BYU
5. Kansas State at Miami (FL)
6. Baylor vs. TCU
7. Missouri at Arizona State
8. Iowa State at Connecticut
9. Kansas at Georgia Tech
10. Texas Tech vs. Nevada
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Couldn't find for other conferences (I understand Little10+2 is and a few PAC12 teams are still filling them in?)

Related reading:
College Football Predictions: The 25 Most Exciting Games of 2011 (bolded listing ooc games)
1. Oregon Vs. LSU*
2. Oregon at Stanford
3. Nevada at Oregon
4. TCU at Boise State
5. Alabama at Auburn
6. Oklahoma Vs. Texas*
7. Nevada at Boise State
8. Oklahoma at Florida State
9. LSU at Alabama
10. Wisconsin at Ohio State
11. Ohio State at Nebraska
12. Michigan State at Ohio State
13. Texas at Texas A&M
14. Oklahoma State at Texas A&M
15. Boise State Vs Georgia*
16. Ohio State at Miami
17. Arizona at Oklahoma State
18. Kansas State at Missouri
19. Alabama at Penn State
20. Arkansas Vs. Texas A&M*
21. Stanford at USC
22. Mississippi State at Auburn
23. Connecticut at West Virginia
24. San Diego State at Michigan
25. USC at Notre Dame
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Why is tOSU @ MIA the only Little10+2 game listed here? Oops, correction - I see MICH hosts SDSU 8) ORE and BSU have as many, or more, on the list as the Little10+2. 3 SEC ooc games listed?

We'll just skip past the 'in conference' games of note, since there are 4 SEC listings, and only 3 for the Little10+2 (all of which focus on tOSU....wait, so tOSU is carrying the Little 10+2 for both OOC and in-conference strength? :|)
 
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i like when the MAC pW3nz the Big 10.

http://www.scoresreport.com/2011/01/25/the-mac-will-be-well-represented-at-this-year’s-super-bowl/

The MAC will be well represented at this year’s Super Bowl

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Quick, name the conference that will have the second most representatives at this year’s Super Bowl.

The MAC? Damn. You read the title didn’t you? You little title reader, you…

That’s right, the MAC, with its 15 players, is second only to the SEC (18) in terms of representatives at Super Bowl XLV. According to Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun writer and fellow TSR contributor Drew Ellis, the Packers have nine former MAC players on their roster, including Central Michigan’s Cullen Jenkins, Frank Zombo and Josh Gordy, Western Michigan’s Greg Jennings, Buffalo running back James Starks, Miami of Ohio’s Tom Crabtree, offensive lineman T.J. Lang of Eastern Michigan, safety Atari Bigby of Central Florida and linebacker Diyral Briggs of Bowling Green.

Of course, the most recognizable name to come out of the MAC is Steelers’ quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who played at Miami. Pittsburgh also rosters former MAC players Antonio Brown (CMU), linebacker James Harrison (Kent State), quarterbacks Charlie Batch (Eastern Michigan) and Byron Leftwich (Marshall), as well kicker Shaun Suisham (BGSU).

According to a former MAC player, it is the constant disrespect the conference gets on a national stage that could lead to the players succeeding in the NFL.

“It really speaks volumes about the conference,” former CMU quarterback and teammate of Zombo, Brown, and Gordy, Brian Brunner, said. “This conference used to be know for being a quarterback-conference, but it has really become much more. National pundits may dog the MAC but when you see numbers like these you realize that a lot of MAC players that get a chance to play in the NFL, they come into the league with a chip on their shoulder and they are going work hard and push themselves and prove they belong.”

Obviously the number of players that represent a conference in the Super Bowl doesn’t reflect its status in college football. I hardly doubt we’ll hear anyone campaign for Northern Illinois to play in next year’s BCS title game if the Huskies go 11-0 and the MAC won’t suddenly be viewed as an elite conference.

But it’s nevertheless interesting to see that the little ol’ MAC – not the Big 12, Big Ten or ACC – has only three fewer players at this year’s title game than the SEC. It just goes to show you that talent is talent.
 
LSU vs Oregon – Sep 3, 2011 – Arlington, TX
Georgia vs Boise State – Sep 3, 2011 – Atlanta, GA
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here's to hoping that LSU wins and we go see the Boise one.

christ where the fuck is the warm weather? i'm dying here.
 
CS, I think you are stretching the truth a little bit on that MAC VS Big 10/ACC/Big East point, there

but, you do bring up a good point in that the MAC players are heavily represented in this wonderful Steelers team and in the SB

take in account most of the MAC teams are in Ohio as well. Big Ben is from Miami (Oh) and James "Silverback" Harrison is from Akron (as is Josh Cribbs)

the MAC might not bring it like our conferences do every year, but they still have two-three gifted athletes that can bring it to the NFL every year
 
axl blaze said:
CS, I think you are stretching the truth a little bit on that MAC VS Big 10/ACC/Big East point, there

but, you do bring up a good point in that the MAC players are heavily represented in this wonderful Steelers team and in the SB

take in account most of the MAC teams are in Ohio as well. Big Ben is from Miami (Oh) and James "Silverback" Harrison is from Akron (as is Josh Cribbs)

the MAC might not bring it like our conferences do every year, but they still have two-three gifted athletes that can bring it to the NFL every year
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in other words MAC>Big 10
 
I'm excited about next year.. my Sooners have a hell of a class coming in, and 17 returning starters. This year had a good if somewhat boring end for us. I like where we are headed going in to next year. Here is to hoping the injury bug stays far away, and that FSU can't get its shit together in order to attempt revenge for the walloping we gave them last season. I tried out that ESPN-U thing, and got to loan out a projector during some great bowl games. While not perfect of perfect quality, the 15 euro for a month thing during a key stretch of games isn't a bad deal. Wish I could contribute more discussion during the season, but I am fucking swamped with my study. Anyways, I already can't wait until kick off!! BOOMER SOONER!

Oh and axl..here is to seeing your Buckeyes in the NC. We have had a rotten stretch of bowl games, but our mentality, preparation, and most importantly defense have all gotten better. Our defense is mentally more tough than it has been in years, where I felt in the past that our D did not come to play, and simply gave up. I would advise caution about what you wish for ;).
 
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