the official 2010-11 college football thread! ver. Auburn VS Oregon?

[Pander Bear]

idk, im sure MSU thinks the shit is so cash

 

[axl blaze]

if I were TP I would be all like "fuck it, I'm just gonna go pro as a defensive end lol thx bai NCAA"

 

[smotpoker]

Like Coach said, they wouldn't exactly be great candidates for job interviews. 5 games is harsh though. And I guess it's worse to get tattoos and sell your own possessions then to take 180 grand for your church.

Man fuck Cam Newton.

As a buckeye fan, I have to try and find the positive in this. If any of the players decide to stay, I think the Bucks can get thru the first 5 games without any losses. It will be tough, but I don't think Miami is that good, MSU will be tough, but if they can get thru the first 5 games, they will be nice and fresh and uninjured for the last 7.

I'm not really very serious when I say all this, in fact I am pissed at the guys for breaking the rules, but I at least gotta try and find some positive in this.

I guess they should have just stolen lap tops instead...Or TP should just say he thought his mom paid for the tats.

So the lesson from all this...Take 180 k and nothing happens, sell your own stuff and exchange 'tats for 'graphs, and you get suspended for almost half a season. Right, that makes perfect sense.

 

[axl blaze]

kinda funny that the NCAA waits to suspend these tOSU players (4 out of 5 are top-tier contributors) after the Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. makes you wonder why? I will tell you, because a Buckeyes squad without their star-studded threats on offense (TP, Boom Herron, DeVier Posey) would be a lame duck against Arkansas, which would result in a boring game

a boring game results in a diminished viewer audience, which means the NCAA receives less money

the NCAA doesn't care about it's players. they only act like they care about their archaic rules

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

I think the NCAA will come down way harder on Newton and Auburn than they are indicating. Expect that team to be on probation for a long time. They will probably kick the shit out of Oregon, and their title will be called back, with no actual winner this year similar to what happened to USC.

As for OSU, I agree that it is bullshit. These kids can't sell their own items and use their celebrity to gain favors? It's not like OSU is going to win a championship because Pryor got a new tattoo. I'm all for the NCAA being all over these things when it comes to unfair competitive advantage, like how Auburn is going to win the title this year because they actually cheated, but this is just bullshit.

The only upside is that it is going to make things a lot easier for my Canes when they go against the Buckeyes. We should have improved coaching this year. And remember, with as bad a coach as Randy Shannon was we almost beat you guys last year.

 

[axl blaze]

meh, I do think you were up at one point, but honestly I was watching the game rather comfortably. Miami just didn't look like they had it in them, and I knew tOSU would wear them out in the second half

however, congrats on your future victory

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

meh, I do think you were up at one point, but honestly I was watching the game rather comfortably. Miami just didn't look like they had it in them, and I knew tOSU would wear them out in the second half

Let the bitchfest begin.

 

[axl blaze]

hahaha. Merry X-mas my good, good friend

 

[Pander Bear]

I don't think auburn gets slapped down-- i think they'll get the enhanced scrutiny that most SEC teams got after the rumors first surfaced and AJ green got caught selling his jersey. I'm really very torn about boosters and selling your stuff for money-- about what's enforceable and what is ethical, so I'm kinda content to watch it all unfold over the coming months and years and see what come of it all.

 

[axl blaze]

again, as a fan I'm disheartened that a player of my beloved Buckeyes would sell their Gold Pants, such a coveted award in my mind. but, half of these guys aren't even from Central Ohio, and therefore aren't used to the type of passion that I'm sure you all know well and true (being fans of other teams that take college football srs). Pryor is from Pittsburgh ffs

however, this is America, god dammit. one can do with their personal property as they please. I'm in a band, and I've likened it to this. my guitarist won a limited edition Les Paul for us entering this contest to be on the soundtrack of Scott Pilgrim VS The World (true story, got 3rd place - a guitar). my brother won the guitar, so I say he is allowed to sell it. I know ethics here are a little different than college football - but I think the end result is the same

then again, what these players did was inexcusable. they of course have used the common "know-nothing" defense, as in "hey, we didn't know the rules." I don't buy this one bit, obviously. college athletes have to be self-aware enough to realize that what they do is under a microscope

and then Cam Newton essentially gets off scot-free? it is such a double standard going on here

I am a realist, all the NCAA is doing is sending these three offensive powers (Herron, Posey, and Pryor) off to the NFL before they are ready. Boom Herron is a great stereotypical Big Ten RB (Rashard Mendenhall and Shaun Green etc), yet he needs a year or two to develop or he will be injured more times than you can say "Beanie Wells" in 2 minutes flat. Devier Posey, a talented WR, also isn't quite there yet

Terelle Pryor will be the most screwed out of them all, as he will be forced to enter the NFL draft as an athlete - and no doubt be stuck as a defensive end instead of backing up Michael Vick's Eagles

 

[Pander Bear]

or maybe they ride it out, maybe there's an nfl lockout after all. Being benched for 4 games on a team that was adrift and finished barely qualifying for a bowl game probably isn't going to hurt AJ Green's draft prospects too much.

 

[axl blaze]

yeah but I don't want to offend other Buckeyes in saying this - but AJ Green is insta-ready for NFL action. I think he will have an immediate impact, despite being on a shitty team like Cleveland or Denver, a la Calvin Johnson (and not to offend UGA fans via the GT metaphor). srsly, for AJ Green in the pros, just add water

TP has only his pure athleticism to land him a spot. the WR needs a little better hands, and Boom Herron might be the most ready but whoever knows with RBs in the League

shit man, I do hope you're right. here in Columbus we've never looked at the next season and didn't instantly assume we weren't going to at least contend for the BCS Title. I know that sounds arrogant, but it is very true and I am lucky due to this

them staying would be a testament to themselves and their university. usually when tOSU players get a whiff of any kind of NFL money, they jump. it is a possibility and here's to hoping

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

I tend to agree with pretty much everything you have said so far, Axl. But Pryor needs that extra year to have any chance of playing QB in the pros (it is doubtful anyways). He will be a lower round draft pick and a major project for whatever team picks him, considering they will need to teach him an entirely new position from scratch. If I were an NFL GM, which I am not, I would go the Randle-El route and move him to wide receiver, his familiarity with what the QB wants his wide outs to do will help him immensely once he begins to come along (if he has the tools).

But I fucking hate the NCAA. The Ohio State penalty was so hypocritical. Although by letting these guys play in the bowl game I think they are setting a precedent. They are saying that our major punishments will come next season, hence why I think the hammer will go down on Auburn football this offseason.

Hopefully, one day, they get all of those schools that are actually cheating, like Auburn and LSU, and put them on Miami style probation, while leaving all of these small violations alone.

It is funny to look at the 30 for 30 series on both SMU and Miami. The NCAA doesn't want new kids coming to the party and messing things up. In the case of SMU, Texas, Texas A&M, and even Baylor were breaking the same rules. And yet, they get probation-lite and SMU gets the Death Penalty.

Miami never broke any rules that are truly shocking. I suppose it deserved some punishment, but there were people out there doing much worse than Miami ever was. Miami's biggest crime was expressing themselves on the field, that is what got everybody pissed off. Nobody liked seeing their good old Notre Dame or Texas boys get knocked the fuck out by some inner-city Miami kid, only to look up and see that he is doing the dirty dick dance over your boys concussed face.

 

[Pander Bear]

Miami never broke any rules that are truly shocking.

cash payouts for big plays by a third party is just about as shocking to me as booster payouts to get you to play there, to me, anyway. Maybe I should say they're both equally underwhelming, but you don't suppose the drug charges, weapons charges (iirc) and the cash was enough?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

apparently, these and a couple other tOSU football players sold some Big Ten Championship rings and Gold Pants Decals (a coveted tiny decal of gold pants awarded for whenever tOSU trumps Michigan). these athletes either sold and/or got discounts on tattoos at a local tattoo shop located around my vicinity

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a dark day for a Buckeyes fan. this last year was TP's year to perhaps win a National Title, and all looks now lost

I heard they were suspended for getting the tattoos, and said "Damn, Tressel is a hard ass." I didn't learn they traded/sold goods to get the ink. I couldn't find any timing of the offense, so I don't know if they did it after AJ Greene got his 4 game suspension announced. If so, they are f'n idiots. If it happened before AJ was suspended, then they probably didn't have a feel for how big a hammer might come down.

Man fuck Cam Newton.

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I guess they should have just stolen lap tops instead...Or TP should just say he thought his mom paid for the tats.

So the lesson from all this...Take 180 k and nothing happens, sell your own stuff and exchange 'tats for 'graphs, and you get suspended for almost half a season. Right, that makes perfect sense.

As far as I know, Cam never got the 180k - and I'm not sure it's a fact his dad got it either (yet? ). I do know it's fact that Cam didn't steal the laptop, he bought it 'cheap' so there is a level of willful ignorance with that crime, but not the actual crime, just possession of stolen property and the dumb way he handled it - not theft. It's arguable, given Cam pretty much 'knew' the laptop was stolen goods, that he committed his offense with intent; and guys like AJ and the Buckeyes were simply trying to make money for what they cannot afford by selling what they had (common to any person, anytime, anywhere) but getting by NCAA rules rather than legal ones. But I think Cam vs AJ & The Buckeyes is more of an Oranges vs Lemons argument and not quite valid.

One other thing I can't find is if the Buckeye players sold their items in one go, or if any of them committed repeat offenses (sell something, get a tat....sell something else later...etc) which would speak to a trend or pattern as opposed to a one time uh-oh like AJ green and his 4 games. I think their lucky getting only 5 games, following AJ's precedent.

kinda funny that the NCAA waits to suspend these tOSU players (4 out of 5 are top-tier contributors) after the Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. makes you wonder why?

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the NCAA doesn't care about it's players. they only act like they care about their archaic rules

Again, the timing of when they committed the offense(s) escapes me, but it really reeks that they aren't suspended for the bowl game. That's not a Buckeye hater speaking....and I'll admit I'd want to see them lose again to an SEC team, but it seems most anybody is suspending people immediately - AJ at the beginning of the season, all the waves of players being left at home for their bowl games, hell our own Chris Rainey at FLA was suspended several weeks upon finding he screwed up. Why they are allowing these guys to play the bowl game is beyond me other than trying, as Axl points out, to preserve the view ability and marketability of the game (Hell, it'll give the players something more valuable to sell off later ).

I tend to agree with pretty much everything you have said so far, Axl. But Pryor needs that extra year to have any chance of playing QB in the pros (it is doubtful anyways).

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But I fucking hate the NCAA. The Ohio State penalty was so hypocritical. Although by letting these guys play in the bowl game I think they are setting a precedent. They are saying that our major punishments will come next season, hence why I think the hammer will go down on Auburn football this offseason.

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Miami never broke any rules that are truly shocking. I suppose it deserved some punishment, but there were people out there doing much worse than Miami ever was. Miami's biggest crime was expressing themselves on the field, that is what got everybody pissed off.

*IF* Tebow has any success as a NFL QB, then TP ought to be picked up and used for such. I still don't think Tebow will stay at QB, and with a new coach, he'll be an 'athlete' of the fullback type come next season, IMO. TP can easily slide into a few other positions (TE?), but you are right it won't be natural and they won't be wanting to invest a lot to retrain him. The Randle-El path? I thought he also brought kick-return speed to the game, something TP doesn't have to my knowledge. So, he's left trying to distinguish himself some other way....blocking? No. Running the ball? Probably not. Catching and running? Maybe, as a tight end or a big slot receiver. On the defense? I have no idea.

I'm not sure on the precedent the NCAA is playing with here. I do think they are much more concerned with the schools and programs than with players who are gone and untouchable after a few years (that year if the hammer is coming down). So, the message I've always seen them try to do is stress to the programs to keep tight reins on players at all times (which, we all acknowledge is damn near impossible, but it is what the NCAA asks for). As such, I can see bringing very heavy hammers down on schools after players are done - ie, USCw and Bush, AUB after Cam is gone, tOSU heading into next season. NCAA needs to get more swift in it's response, to impact the offending players a bit more (ie, immediate suspensions), but I do expect bigger penalties to be against schools going forward to avoid such embarrassments in the future. I do not, however foresee any schools getting penalties to the level of SMU - the NCAA realized just how completely demolishing such sanctions are, and it hurts a lot more than the program effected - it hurts the school with it's income, the community with major revenues and activity, it hurts a lot of things....but what they probably got the most concerned with is it hurts NCAA football overall to have such ugliness in the news.

"Miami never broke any rules that are truly shocking"? I think your assessment may be biased from having been in that environment. Yes, lots of schools have (and still do) pay players, and fake grades or at least guide the players to easy grades, so there is no shock in that. And your probably right that the public attitude displayed by the squads probably made the 'old guard' more angry at them that was warranted, but I'll pick an easy one for you to consider 'shocking'. Paying for hits. A good hit is worth what? And if you knock him out? Out for the game? Out for the season? Really, that kind of bounty hunting would be shocking to most schools, let alone the fans, because people then ask "What if it was me on the end of that hit? Or my son? And it ended a career? What if it resulted in death?" The thresh hold for despicable is somewhat personal and varies person to person, but there is an area on the darker side of grey that most people feel is wrong, and MIA in their heyday didn't have a problem walking proudly thru it. Hell, the NFL has had problems with that at times.

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

The perception was always way worse than the reality.

Money was given to players because they were otherwise selling crack on the corners. Uncle Luke and the administration stepped in to make sure that these kids didn't get arrested. I have to look up past arrests, but I can assure you that what I will find will pale in comparison to the crimes committed by Urban Meyer's players at UF. Nobody fired AK-47's into the air. Miami's players were bad boys, but in the fun kind of way. They weren't hardcore gangbanging killers. They were just wild, go in to the club and cause some trouble, get into a few fights and make that paper kind of bad boys.

The whole issue was with the way Miami played football. As I said, the establishment didn't like to see these kids express themselves in the way that was natural to them. Knocking a player from Notre Dame out and then rubbing your dick all over his face is going to earn your school some extra scrutiny. We will never know what other programs were doing at that point in time, but Miami was far from the dirtiest (anything Miami did pales in comparison to the SMU scandal. My philosophy is that if it doesn't create any unfair competitive advantage than there is no harm no foul).

What I always found funny about all the scandals and all of the Notre Dame is holier than though shit, with "Catholics vs. Convicts" and what not, is that our Convicts had higher graduation rates then their Catholics. Miami was a legit school with a focus on educating it's student athletes, and those that didn't go on to the NFL often found success elsewhere. Randal "Thrill" Hill is in the Secret Service for fucksake.

I remember watching an Alabama game this year, and they were saluting this former player who got paralyzed at Alabama and then learned to walk again, and they said he was a bank teller like it was something to be proud of. I felt so bad for the kid, that they would even announce that. This kid has a valid college education, a 4 year degree, and he works for minimum wage. It is disgusting to see that Alabama didn't teach this kid a thing. Canes tend to go on to great success at whatever they do, like Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) and several others. Very few of them end up working at McDonalds.

 

[Pegasus]

TP needs to play another year to have any chance in the NFL, IMO...

Also, I don't think it's fair to say "it's disgusting that Bama didn't teach the kid a thing"... This is one isolated kid and he was paralyzed. I'm sure we can dig up someone working as a bank teller (or, god forbid, worse) from Miami. Considering how high tuition is at Miami, you might expect everyone to go on to some prestigious position in life, but that isn't the case.

 

[axl blaze]

I do know it's fact that Cam didn't steal the laptop, he bought it 'cheap' so there is a level of willful ignorance with that crime, but not the actual crime, just possession of stolen property and the dumb way he handled it - not theft. It's arguable, given Cam pretty much 'knew' the laptop was stolen goods, that he committed his offense with intent

well I don't know how one could know that it is a fact that Camburglar didn't steal the laptop himself (did I miss the publication of this source?)

however, let me say something that may come as a shock to all of my good S&G brethren. your friendly neighborhood axl has been deemed to be forced into a good number of correctional facilities all across the Eastern Seaboard, and across these depressing "travels," I have noted that about half of the felony offenders were in there for RSP - or receiving stolen property

in the eyes of the long arm of the law, possessing or receiving the stolen property is essentially the same offense as stealing it. of course, if one would talk to these offenders in question - they never did steal it, and usually there isn't solid proof to go against their proclamation

however, in all reality, these people more than likely did steal the property and were caught in possession. Camburglar might not have stolen the laptop, but when you buy a laptop out of the back of LeThomas and RaMichael's pick em up truck - what do you really think is happening? that these fellers bought it from Best Buy?

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

well I don't know how one could know that it is a fact that Camburglar didn't steal the laptop himself (did I miss the publication of this source?)

however, let me say something that may come as a shock to all of my good S&G brethren. your friendly neighborhood axl has been deemed to be forced into a good number of correctional facilities all across the Eastern Seaboard, and across these depressing "travels," I have noted that about half of the felony offenders were in there for RSP - or receiving stolen property

in the eyes of the long arm of the law, possessing or receiving the stolen property is essentially the same offense as stealing it. of course, if one would talk to these offenders in question - they never did steal it, and usually there isn't solid proof to go against their proclamation

however, in all reality, these people more than likely did steal the property and were caught in possession. Camburglar might not have stolen the laptop, but when you buy a laptop out of the back of LeThomas and RaMichael's pick em up truck - what do you really think is happening? that these fellers bought it from Best Buy?

Yeah, I've seen it go down on a large scale and it usually works like this.

The buyer of stolen property buys some "hot" beer, or a laptop, or some meat, like he usually does. And it comes with no problems. But every once in a while, the people they are buying from are connected with some major armed robbery (think Goodfellas) of a truck, and the guy on the lowest rung, just some guy trying to make a living running a legit business, has the FBI bust in on them, pointing their fancy submachine guns at these harmless folks, pushing them against the wall and scaring them half to death, taking all computers because they can (hopefully nobody was looking at any weird porn at the time), and arresting the people in the hope that they will flip over on somebody. I think. I don't even know if they care about the flip. They just want an excuse to come in, guns blazing, and terrify mostly innocent citizens. It's bullshit.

 

[axl blaze]

TAMPA, Fla. -- Florida will be without cornerback Janoris Jenkins and three other starters against Penn State in the Outback Bowl.

Jenkins had surgery on his right shoulder recently and will miss the New Year's Day game. Right tackle Maurice Hurt and defensive tackles Lawrence Marsh and Terron Sanders also will miss coach Urban Meyer's finale. None of them traveled with the team to Tampa.

first, I thought these Gaytors got arrested again, but it looks like an injury plagued FLA team might get beat by a second-tier Penn State team. here's to another Big Ten led Florida ass-whoopin' a la Michigan a couple years back