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the official 2010-11 college football thread! ver. Auburn VS Oregon?

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taken from another sports forum, but I thought it was funny:

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Miami Hurricanes, sometimes the hardest part of love is letting it go. I know we all thought Jacory Harris was the man, but... just let go... :(
 
axl blaze said:
taken from another sports forum, but I thought it was funny:

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Miami Hurricanes, sometimes the hardest part of love is letting it go. I know we all thought Jacory Harris was the man, but... just let go... :(
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I think we all let it go after we played you guys. It was a game where both teams were even on talent (besides QB) and our guys just didn't have the coaching to keep it competitive enough. That was us playing with everything we had under Shannon.

After losing to second rate FSU, there is a mass outcry to fire Shannon.

Miami fans cannot get beat down more than they have been beating themselves. Former players are calling into radio shows saying Shannon has to go, all of Shannon's friends have turned their backs on him.

If you think they took football seriously in the South, you have no idea how seriously us South Floridians take it.
 
axl blaze said:
@Shimmer.Fade hey man, I didn't mean to strip up any offense. you have a great program.

reasons like these are why college football gets on my nerves. I thought OSU would have a decent schedule, with Miami looking good as well as PSU and Iowa. things change, and now Wisconsin looks to be the most difficult of them all.

it's all so very confusing right now. which conference doesn't look mediocre? even the all-mighty SEC doesn't have a ranked team in the Top 5, and their OOC games are usually even worst than either of the Big Ten or Big XII.

it really sucks because Ohio State can become a victim of the BCS. I know most of you are sitting there in shock like "but the BCS is OSU's greatest ally.' well... not so much. case in point, when the Buckeyes backed into a National Championship game in 07 against LSU that they really didn't deserve to be in. but what can you do when everybody and their momma loses?

conversations like these, typically all season long, just make me think that we need a playoff even more
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No offense taken! I was just defending my team =). You said they have yet to prove they are #6 in the nation, and I feel the same way about a few teams above us. Based on *current* SOS and achievements I don't know that many of teams above us should be rated above us necessarily. OU's biggest weakness is letting a few big yard plays go and being stupid in the 4th quarter by thinking the game is done. OU has outscored opponents 126-53 through the first three quarters, and has been outscored 41-10 in the fourth quarter. I am not gonna dig up the stats for the big play yardage, but the vast majority of yards on us are from only a few plays. If we can lock down these situations we will be tough as nails.

Alabama was playing great football, and I fully supported them being number 1. The rest of the top 5 I just don't know about. Like I said OSU looks good, but who have they played? We will know much more after the Wisc. game.

Oregon looks to be explosive as diarrhea, but have they played an elite defense yet? Also, they are not without faults. *cough* Defense..the 2 decent teams they have played put up 31pts a piece. Impressive game against Stanford nonetheless.

BSU is...BSU...they need a real conference. Maybe a good team, but do they have what it takes to take on good programs week after week? Va. Tech and OreSU are good programs, but they are only 2, and neither is ranked. Yea they have won a lot of games in the last few years, but I think any of the traditional powers would shred that schedule with ease.

TCU is somewhat legitimate considering they played OreSU, and still must play AFA and Utah. Decent SOS..

Nebraska has impressive wins against UW and KSU, but neither team is particularly strong. Their real tests are coming up in the next few weeks. Should they be ranked #5..I don't think so.

All these teams still have 0 in the loss column, and who else from lower in the ranking should move up to take their spots? I can't think of too many teams. I guess it goes to show that this year even the best teams have some glaring faults.

Edit: +1000000 for playoffs!!!
 
it's just a cluster fuck of teams that are for sure better than the rest of the Nation, but yet I don't feel like they are all elite. well I thought Bama was elite, but they just played three games that put them through a sausage grinder.

there are some people that think the SEC is having a down year. if this is a down year for them, then I am shocked. they might not take up a spot in the rankings until 8 or 9, but then it seems like the rest of the Top 15 are SEC teams.

just imagine... Florida is their sixth best contender. who are the Big 10 or the Pac 10's number sixth team? Oregon State and Northwestern? although these teams are somewhat legit for bottom feeders, they would for sure lose a game against the Gaytors
 
ChickenScratch said:
in other unrelated news, i'm looking forward to the L5P parade this weekend. it's pretty much the most allsum parade ever. i'll probably post up on the hill by the bass lofts where all the gutter punks hang out. drop by and say wut up if ya'll are around.
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are you gonna be wearing Vols orange?
 
Here's an article just to piss off Buckeye fans. :)

Terrelle Pryor is vastly overrated

Buckeyes QB has elite numbers, but they tend to come against weaker foes

By KC Joyner

In looking over the Heisman candidacy of Ohio State Buckeyes quarterback Terrelle Pryor, I cannot help but think back to when Andre Dawson won the 1987 National League MVP award.

Dawson certainly had a good season in some respects. He belted 49 home runs and batted in 137 runs, both of which were league-leading totals. The majority of the voters figured power numbers of that caliber were enough to vault Dawson to the top of their ballot, but Bill James had a different viewpoint in his 1987 Baseball Abstract. He figured those statistics were the numerical equivalent of empty calories.

He started by pointing out that Dawson's overall statistics weren't really that impressive. His .287 batting average was just below the median mark among NL outfielders, as were most of his other offensive stats. James also showed how Dawson's numbers were inflated in large part because he played in Wrigley Field.

After poking a hole in the statistical balloon, James proceeded to rant against what he saw as the real reasons behind the nomination. Quoting the Abstract:

"So why did he win the MVP award? I know what some people will say. It wasn't Dawson's statistics, it was his leadership and throwing arm. People will say that, but you know it isn't. You don't give an MVP for 'leadership' on a last-place team. Half the time, the MVP award goes to the league leader in RBIs. That's not leadership; that's statistics. And if they really understood his statistics, they wouldn't have done it."

One could make an almost identical argument regarding the Heisman case for Pryor.

His numbers may look gaudy at first glance, but a closer look at them and the real reasons he is among the front-runners for the award show that Pryor may be the most overrated player in college football.

Let's start with the aforementioned gaudy numbers. Pryor is ranked sixth in FBS in passer rating, tied for seventh in touchdown passes, 14th in completion percentage and 13th in yards per pass attempt.

Those are all elite totals, yes -- but Pryor's performance is also skewed by favorable circumstances. Four of his games have come against the Marshall Thundering Herd (1-4 Conference USA team), Eastern Michigan Eagles (0-6 MAC team), Ohio Bobcats (3-3 MAC team with wins against Wofford and Eastern Michigan) and Indiana Hoosiers (possibly the worst team in the Big Ten).

Pryor completed 83 of 110 passes for 1,040 yards, 12 touchdowns and two interceptions in these contests. That equates to a phenomenal 187.24 passer rating when facing subpar opponents.

Now look at how Pryor did when the competition level was turned up. In the games against the Miami Hurricanes and Illinois Fighting Illini, he completed 21 of 43 passes for 309 yards, three touchdowns and one interception. Put those into the quarterback calculator and it comes up with a passer rating of 127.52, a total that would rank 63rd in FBS this year.

It might be easy to give Pryor a pass for these stats if they were a two-game anomaly, but his 2009 numbers provide a similar showing.

When facing strong foes last season (strong defined as the USC Trojans, Illinois, Wisconsin Badgers, Purdue Boilermakers, Minnesota Golden Gophers, Penn State Nittany Lions, Iowa Hawkeyes, Michigan Wolverines and Oregon Ducks), Pryor posted 108 completions in 195 attempts for 1,357 yards, 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Pryor's overall passer rating for those games was 123.58, or just about equal to his 2010 mark against tough opponents.

That shows Pryor doesn't have the statistical history to back up the idea that he is a great quarterback. But, as was the case with Dawson, his nomination may not really be based on his overall performance but rather on a much smaller set of metrics.

The Heisman Predictor, a fantastic tool developed by Ryan McCrystal of the ESPN Stats and Information department, uses a combination of historical voting patterns and statistics to predict who the voters are going to select as the winner of this prestigious award. It currently has Pryor ranked second with 111 points, but 70 of his points come from non-performance related areas (20 for being a Big Ten player, 25 for being an offensive player, 25 for being a quarterback). He also gets nine points for team victories, so 79 of his points could be said to come from being the quarterback of a successful Big Ten team.

This shows that, if history is any indicator, voters are likely to ignore Pryor's passing numbers as long as the Buckeyes keep winning. If that happens and Pryor plays as poorly in big games as he has the past season and a half, it would mean the Heisman didn't go to the best player in college football. It would instead be going to the highest profile player on the best team.

And it would be just as much of a misguided nomination as Dawson's MVP award was.
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ok... this one should be fun... first off

article by KC Joyner
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have you ever read an article by this guy? he writes for an NY Times blog titled "the 5th Down" or something like that. I have serious doubts that Joyner even watches the game of football. he is known to be a pretentious, stat-ignoring type of journalist who makes deluded claims like "Peyton Manning is not a good QB, why does he have so many fans?"

he once wrote a post that had his Top 10 reasons why Peyton Manning sucks. here is a small segment from his banal article "Peyton Manning is not an intelligent QB. I make my living by reviewing stats and other metrics, so I’m all for this approach, but even I don’t want to make the game quite as intellectual as Manning seems to want to at times." what does his supporting argument even mean? how can a sports writer conclude that Manning, perhaps one of the most cerebral QBs to play the game, is not smart??

also in his ludicrous "article" (if you can even call this senseless dribble an article): "His pre-snap histrionics. All that gesturing and leg-lifting and waving and dummy audibles drive fans up a wall. I know Manning thinks this gives him an edge, but compare his pre-snap moves with Brett Favre’s..." really? I'm not going to even get into this comparison of pre-snap calls of Manning VS Favre...

the rest of his article simply take personal shots at Manning, like citing his "clean off field image" his "football royalty lineage" his "PR approach to everything" and his "being in too many commercials." I'm no huge Manning supporter, like LOVELIFE, but I am a semi-intelligent sports fan, and you have to give him some respect as a player.

you decide if KC Joyner, the self-anointed "Football Scientist," is a sports journalist to whom you want to source.

(read the article here)

In looking over the Heisman candidacy of Ohio State Buckeyes quarterback Terrelle Pryor, I cannot help but think back to when Andre Dawson won the 1987 National League MVP award.
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I don't know how you can compare a collegiate Heisman contender to a professional baseball great in Andre Dawson. it is like comparing apples to oranges.

anyways, I am more than anything grateful that TP's young football career can be compared to Andre Dawson, who is a Hall of Famer. not to mention Dawson is also one of only three members of the 400 home runs-300 stolen bases club, along with Barry Bonds and Willie Mays. just to be mentioned in that aforementioned class of world-class athletes is an honor.

Dawson's MVP is more remarkable because it was with 1987 Chicago Cubs, who were a last place ball-club. putting that stat into the contest of this conversation, imagine the Heisman trophy winner coming from a MAC school. not fucking likely at all, man. also, Andre Dawson did all of this in the pre-steroid era.

I'm about halfway done with my argument here... believe it or not I have some IRL obligations that I must attend to... be back later tonight
 
You could make the same argument about Tim Tebow's Heisman, most of his statistics were the product of him staying in 4th quarter blowouts late. Meyer should have taken him out, but he wanted his kid to get the stats. Every Heisman winner ever has inflated stats from playing weak competition.

That said, if Pryor wins the Heisman this year it will speak to the low level of competition. Nothing he has done besides the 6 touchdown game has stuck out at me enough to say Heisman candidate, like Tebow or Bradford did.
 
Droppersneck said:
I dont think anyone aside from maybe a homer could possibly believe tOSU, TCU, or BSU is a better team then Bama. Sure I understand why they technically lead in rankings but lets face the facts on SOS

SEC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all other conferences
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I'm not really a believer in conference dominance in college football. Some really good teams emerge to make the SEC look like a power conference, but in reality they just have more good teams than anybody else. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are still garbage. Every conference has its strong and weak teams, and it is only since Ohio State shat the bed a few years ago that this whole "the entire SEC is better than everyone else" mentality got around. Oklahoma and OSU could compete with anybody in the SEC. Florida is still overrated by some people. Texas could have won the NC last year had McCoy not been injured early. Teams emerge from anywhere. Look what Utah did to Alabama a couple years ago.
 
hahaha. the SEC has reverted a couple steps back in their collegiate football dominance. although they have some good teams all-around (until after Florida it drops off big), they are not the conference they used to be. and this is because they don't have a top dog anymore, and they shouldn't for a couple years.

I swear, it's going to be Round 2 of "the South will rise again!" type of rednecks who still sport a Confederate flag on the rear window of their Ford Ranger, right in front of their gun rack.

Bama is a great program, but the game against South Carolina showed what I have said all year long - if you rush more yards than Bama, and successfully render their rushing attack impotent, then they will more than likely lose.

sorry SEC apologists, it looks like your reign of terror is over
 
I don't think you did a very good job of representing Joyner's article about Manning Axl...you left out a lot of stuff I actually found amusing and pretty accurate about Manning's antics. With that said, how can you compare the two articles? One was more tongue-in-cheek designed to rile up Peyton fanboys, which he stated was his intention in re-running it. The other was a statistical breakdown of why Pryor is overrated, and I tend to agree in the sense that he isn't that great against stronger competition. Now, there's plenty of season left for him to show his stuff, but I certainly don't think at this point he's a Heisman frontrunner unless other guys ahead of him fall off the perch.
 
Oh, and LOL to SEC fan trying to pound their chest right now. Please.

I tend to agree with you 3,4 on the conference dominance argument. Unlike many SEC fans, I believe things always are in transition, and that no conference can continually claim year in, year out that they are the best. Yes, the SEC has been on its strongest run to make a case these past several seasons, but as a Pac-10 fan I know even during this supposed height of supremacy, it's not like other conferences can't compete with them. And as I like to point out all the time to my SEC brethren here, the Pac-10 still holds a winning record head-to-head against the so-called best conference in college football.
 
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you're a Pac-10 fan, amirite? and TP entirely smoked your crown jewel (Oregon) in the Rose Bowl. although the score was a little close the yardage gap was insanely favorable to OSU.

I will get back to the latter half of the article tomorrow. I don't think Peyton Manning is the best football player ever, but one could say he is the most talented of all QBs playing right now, with little argument. just imagine if he had an all-around GOOD team (like Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc... ). there would be no stopping him having 3 rings right now
 
LapDawg said:
I don't think you did a very good job of representing Joyner's article about Manning Axl...you left out a lot of stuff I actually found amusing and pretty accurate about Manning's antics.
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... and how did I misrepresent the Joyner article? I essentially copy pasta'd almost the entirety of his ten bullet point. of course, I left out a couple of the more foolish points, but it's not like I changed the meaning of the article?
 
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You could make the same argument about Tim Tebow's Heisman, most of his statistics were the product of him staying in 4th quarter blowouts late. Meyer should have taken him out, but he wanted his kid to get the stats. Every Heisman winner ever has inflated stats from playing weak competition.
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Agreed, to a point. Tebow *was* in through to the (near) end of a lot of games, regardless of score. Those of us who follow the program would put it on reasons other than the coach wanting him to get the stats....and those outside will claim that is indeed the case. This is similar to the ribbing I gave tOSU earlier about Tressel and TP. But motivations aside, it is reflective of the player being in long past when he could/should have been pulled, and with a decent mix of lesser talented opponents.

axl blaze said:
hahaha. the SEC has reverted a couple steps back in their collegiate football dominance. although they have some good teams all-around (until after Florida it drops off big), they are not the conference they used to be. and this is because they don't have a top dog anymore, and they shouldn't for a couple years.

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sorry SEC apologists, it looks like your reign of terror is over
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It would be very hard for any SEC team to be in the NC at this point. Even with the expected faux paus the other teams above them typically commit. I just don't know if a West team will step up and dominate enough, get wins over their mid-range ranked bretheren to move up into NC contention...and beating whomever from the East in the SECCG will not help their cause all that much. I think our reign of terror is indeed over, but rather than throwing one or two horses into the race, we've got a posse capable of staying in the rankings throughout the year (wait to see the effect of SEC-West teams being ranked and knocking eachother off - how many fall out?). The question I really want to know is will the programs hit serious down cycles, and how many can stay 'top tier' programs while others cycle down :\




Last thing, funny play calling sheet for the FLA offense, many of you may see how true it really is (and sad):

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this is all very droll coming from supporters of Miami and UCLA.

axl said:
just imagine... Florida is their sixth best contender. who are the Big 10 or the Pac 10's number sixth team? Oregon State and Northwestern? although these teams are somewhat legit for bottom feeders, they would for sure lose a game against the Gaytors
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sing it, brother.
 
Is it Week 7 yet? Thursday yet? (Time for another FLA loss yet 8) ?)

(EDIT to add score predictions)
THU
7:30 PM ET South Florida at No. 25 West Virginia (-10) - Does USF still have WVU's number? I hope so, but don't think so. USF 17 - WVU 24.

FRI
8:00 PM ET Cincinnati at Louisville (+3) - Meh...Friday fodder. CIN 17 - LOU 10 (C'mon Charlie Strong!!).

SAT
12:00 PM ET Illinois at No. 13 Michigan State (-7) on Big10 network... but yeah, next in line for kicking the Zooker's ass? MSU. Go Spartans. ILL 6 - MSU 28.
1:00 PM ET Miami (FL) at Duke (+19.5) - And will the 'U' fans clamor again about being back after winning this one? Yes. Unquestionably ;) MIA 34 - DUKE 10
3:30 PM ET Texas at No. 5 Nebraska (-9.5) - How often have we seen unranked TX upset NEB? When's the last time we say TX unranked and NEB a top 5 team? Meh, NEB by a lot more than just 9.5, IMO. TX 13 - NEB 27
3:30 PM ET No. 12 Arkansas at No. 7 Auburn (-3.5) - Perhaps the SEC game of the week, and I honestly don't know which to go with. I'll take AUB at home, but could see this coming down to the last possession and either team could walk away with a hard fought win. ARK 27 - AUB 28.
3:30 PM ET No. 15 Iowa at Michigan (-3) - Interesting...unranked MICH at home is favored? As much as I like the retard, I like IA's defense a bit more. On the other side of the ball, I don't know what offense IA has, but I know MICH has *no* defense. I'll take the road team for the win. IA 35 - MICH 17
3:30 PM ET California at USC (-2.5) - Go Bears! CAL 100 - USCw 3 CAL 17 - USCw 10.
7:00 PM ET No. 1 Ohio State at No. 18 Wisconsin (+3.5) - Another close line, and I understand WISC having a strong home field advantage, but c'mon....against #1 it is only a 3.5 spread? Part of me thinks if tOSU is so top tier, they'll not lose to a lowly #18. But most of me thinks WISC comes away with the upset by 3-7 pts. Then again, I haven't watched WISC and am speaking more from my wishful heart than any real appreciation of how TP matches up with the WISC defense, or how WISC offense lines up at all. tOSU 20 - WISC 23.
11:30 PM ET No. 19 Nevada at Hawaii (+7) Ah, the Wolfpack. #19 and climbing.....or does the time zone issue rear it's ugly head and finally trip up NEV? I am still waiting to see if HI has anything to their team, so I don't know if 7 pts is being generous to them or if it is legit. If NEV can overcome the distance, they win big IMO. If they are jet lagged, they'll stumble through the game and maybe win, maybe just be an 'almost, but not this year' team. If I had to bet, I'd bet on NEV to win (and probably cover). NEV 42 - HI 28 in a game nobody watches except die hard left coasters.
 
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