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the official 2010-11 college football thread! ver. Auburn VS Oregon?

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Pander Bear, if you pick up any college football magazine, read any online college football sites, check pretty much any college football news source, they ALL say Pryor is a Heisman Candidate, many picking him as the frontrunner. So I think Axl is just saying what every credible source is saying. How is that homerism?

Terrelle Pryor doesn't have to put up Case Keenum (sp?) numbers to win the Heisman. Look up Troy Smith's stats from 2006, he got it for being the best player on the best team. Now in hindsight maybe he wasn't the best player on the best team, but he lead his BCS conference team to an undefeated regular season and had decent stats, that is all Pryor will have to do, as it was what Ingram did last year (Ingrim did have great stats, but not the best of any player-see Kellen Moore from Boise).

If you want to go by pure stats Kellen Moore should have one it last year, but stats aren't always what wins the Heisman.
 
^ couldn't have said it any better myself.

while I don't think TP will win the Heisman, it is pretty ignorant in the scope of college football to say that his name shouldn't even be mentioned with the word "Heisman." the reason I mentioned it is because he is on Heisman watch lists.

and lets look at it the other way, who ELSE could win the Heisman this year?

Mark Ingram did tear it up last year, however, his season is already going off on a rocky start. moronically, his coaches are already imploring the idea that he will split carries (which I will not even touch on how stupid of an idea this is).

TP will have the stats, is an offensive leaders, and is on a team that will at the very least play in a BCS game.

to say that one is being a homer because one mentioned TP with the word Heisman is a pretty ignorant statement
 
I did not know...
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In re-visiting some of the weaker sisters SEC teams will be playing this opening weekend, it's fair to note that some of these games were scheduled several years ago.

Florida's matchup with Miami (Ohio) is one example.

The two schools agreed to play the 2010 opener in August 2004, according to Florida officials.

Back then, Miami looked a little different than the team coming off a 1-11 season a year ago. The RedHawks were coming off a 13-1 season in 2003, winning the first of three consecutive MAC divisional championships.

What's more, the 2003 team was led by quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Fast-forward to the present. Miami's only win last season was over Toledo, and the RedHawks gave up 30 or more points in seven of their 12 games in Michael Haywood's first season as coach.
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Yeah, games are booked in advance, but I didn't know we tried to set this up right when Miami of Ohio was doing well, and we were pre-championships. :\ Can we get any slack for this cupcake on our schedule now?
 
Well, Ingram is out of the Heisman race :|

I'd keep TP in the discussion, and not just because I want to say he can put up numbers against weak competition. I say 'want', because I don't believe that's true. I think he'll have decent competition, and decent numbers. But my gut tells me he'll end up about 4-6th in voting, just outside the list of invites to the ceremony.

Who else would I put in there? Tim Tebo.....wait. Nevermind ;)

Who else would I put in there? (Referencing BleacherReports, HeismanPundit)
  • Ryan Mallet (QB, ARK): Will put up good numbers against good competition, but be on a losing team (lack of defense)

  • Kellen Moore (QB, BSU): Will put up good numbers (against weak teams) AND get invited to the ceremony. Will he win it? I can't say. Maybe as a consolation for NOT being in the NC, or he does get it and play in the NC and loses the game there (curse and what not 8) )

  • Case Keenum (QB, HOU): Will put up great number (against bad teams) and not be invited....maybe invited, but definitely won't win.

  • Julio Jones (WR, AL): Maybe....maybe...

  • AJ Green (WR, UGA): Maybe....less likely than Jones, IMO, but still possible. Depending on how the team does for the season, he might remain in the discussion.

  • Michael Floyd (WR, ND): Maybe. I think ND will have a ripping offense, provided the QB can get protection and throw - so maybe. But ultimately, I think team failure will hurt his run at the trophy.

  • John Brantly (QB, FLA): Um, no. I want to think he'll put up great numbers; but I think he's not going to be enough of a commodity to stay in the discussion. It's not even a matter of being compared to Tebow, I think if he was uberawesome he'd still remain a fringe mention...and he's not going to be uberawesome...at least not this year ;)

  • Jacory Harris (QB, MIA): No. Actually, I only put him on here and said no to yank some chains :p Truthfully, I wouldn't even have listed him. Still, if MIA has the offense some of our members suggest, then yeah, he could tear up the ACC and make a name, help put MIA back on the map.

  • Dion Lewis (RB, PITT): I don't know how well he'll do in the Big Easy this year....maybe a mention early on, then fades from radar by the 4-5th week.

  • Christian Ponder (QB, FSU): I keep hearing people mention him, but I didn't see him on these two 'expert' lists....I'm going to go with 'NO'. That's not hating on FSU, but knowing Dumbo Fisher has been running the show there for years, and it's not going to help now that he's the official head coach. It'll still be bad play calling and poor player performance.

I see actual invites going to (in no order) Ingram (if he's healthy after the first game, if not then Richardson as the other AL RB), Moore, and Keenum.
 
yes, it's true, out-of-conference games are scheduled far in advance. when OSU got ripped for a weak schedule, it was mostly because Washington was their highest touted non-conference game, and Wash was good but quite horrible that year.

Miami of Ohio is nowhere near considered a "football school." it is an academic school, and the only reason they were above-average that year is because QB Ben Roethlisberger had a year that almost won him the Heisman. sorry, no slack :D anyone could have seen that Miami was going to revert back to its mediocre ways
 
I would say that Julio Jones, Kellen Moore, Tyrelle Pryor, and Jacory Harris are going to be in the forefront of the Heisman race. who will win? I have no idea, this is one of the most wide open Heisman races I have ever witnessed, from the pre-season
 
smotpoker said:
Anyone else think it's some BS to see Alabama playing an expansion team this year in Georgia State? I mean WTF? The NCAA shouldn't count that game. They might as well schedule a high school team, it'd be about the same competition.

Georgia State- 1st year of football, ever. And the defending NC's are actually counting it as a regular season game.

I find that laughable. I mean cmon guys, you are the defending National champs, in what ESPN repeatedly tells us is the toughest conference, and you schedule a game like this???
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Umm, games againsts schools of this caliber are scheduled all of the time. I don't think it would have mattered if it was Georgia State or Alabama State, neither are good teams and this game is obviously scheduled as an introduction for Georgia State and an easy OOC for Bama since the tough conference schedule allows for it. Bama isn't like Boise State; they don't have to use their OOC games to give their schedule strength.

Basically, this happens all the time, and it doesn't matter which team it is that Bama plays... The concept for the game is to promote/ market the teams, fulfill conference standards, etc.
 
What's wrong with Mark Ingram? I expect to see him tear it up this year with Trent Richardson... A one-two punch. Add Julio and a Bama defense which is also solid and has lots of young potential, and I'm looking for Alabama to be a powerhouse in the SEC this year again, with a decent possibility of winning it.
 
axl blaze said:
I would say that Julio Jones, Kellen Moore, Tyrelle Pryor, and Jacory Harris are going to be in the forefront of the Heisman race. who will win? I have no idea, this is one of the most wide open Heisman races I have ever witnessed, from the pre-season
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I tend to agree with that, except I would replace Pryor with Christian Ponder. Ponder is crazy good as a college quarterback. If he had half the weapons to throw to that Miami had, he would have won it last year barring injury.

Yes, I am saying with great pain - and a little bit of nausea - that FSU's QB is better than Jacory Harris. It could change by the end of the year, but similar to our Ken Dorsey era where we dominated college football with the greatest team of all time (2001), all Harris has to do is get the ball to the tremendous weapons he has all around him.

Brantley has no shot. I expect him to be OK, but not as spectacular as ESPN has hyped him up to be. If Florida wins this year, they do it on defense.
 
Pegasus said:
Umm, games againsts schools of this caliber are scheduled all of the time. I don't think it would have mattered if it was Georgia State or Alabama State, neither are good teams and this game is obviously scheduled as an introduction for Georgia State and an easy OOC for Bama since the tough conference schedule allows for it. Bama isn't like Boise State; they don't have to use their OOC games to give their schedule strength.

Basically, this happens all the time, and it doesn't matter which team it is that Bama plays... The concept for the game is to promote/ market the teams, fulfill conference standards, etc.
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Sorry dude, but the difference playing against a football team with years of experience in college football and a team that has never played college football ever is worlds apart.

I don't think BCS caliber teams schedule games against expansion cf teams ever, certainly not all the time like you claim.

But I guess in the longrun it doesn't matter. What's the difference between beating Prairie View A&M by 70 or Georgia State by 100?
 
With 120 Div 1-A (FBS) teams, we (collectively, anyone) ought not have to schedule Div 1-AA (FCS) schools. Playing anyone ranked past 60 is a wash, same as playing a JV squad. Playing someone ranked 30-60 will be like playing a varsity squad, with the rare opportunity for an upset of the top teams, but mostly a slight step up in competition. Then there are those who play teams ranked in the top 40 on a consistent (conference) basis. Competition wise, it's nice to play a lesser team at times to give yourself a breather, or build confidence early in the season while you work out kinks, but I'm glad the BCS limits teams to only counting a single FCS win in a season. Any more than that is a farce.

But should that one be allowed? Competition wise, I'd say no. As far as collegiate sports goes, I'll say yes. The paycheck argument. These 'expansion' teams or lower division teams simply don't have the revenues to support much in the way of athletics (and perhaps even academic) scholarships and facilities (both academic and athletic). These paycheck games give kids a chance on the big stage they'd never have otherwise (Hey mom, I'm playing at Alabama this weekend!!), and the school gets money to support Title IX squads which gets more kids into college and as a country we get more educated people growing up (arguable, I know, but still - the same kids could have NOT gone to ANY college, and where would they end up?).

I think for the cupcake programs, these games are a much needed income and opportunity - for the institutions and kids alike. For the major programs it is forgivable, given the toughness of their regular schedule, provided it is kept to a minimum. BUT, there are teams who's regular schedule (Boise State, TCU) who have to have stronger OOC games because the 'toughness' of their regular schedule is constantly criticized - something they can't control.....so they don't fill OOC with chumps, they have some baked in the league, and they have to play big names. AND there are the BCS teams that are simply hanging on in a tough conference, knowing they won't survive the season but are trying to run the program as a business and get to a big paycheck with a bowl game (ie, VANDY, MD, AZ, IND, etc)....so knowing they'll struggle with the real season, they pad up with more of these cupcakes to try and get 6 wins and a bowl invite :\ (See TN).

Gah, I don't think I'm saying anything you guys don't already know. I'm just frothing at the mouth for the damn games to start.

Bonus pain - my Anniversary is this weekend, and while the wife is a huge NCAAF fan as well (Gator fan, to boot)....we'll be out in NYC for the weekend. I won't even get to watch if we cover the 36 point spread over Miami of OH. :\ Hell, I'll be struggling with Anniversary Sex versus watching some football on Saturday night :\ Wonder if she'll want to have sex with the games on?
 
smotpoker said:
Sorry dude, but the difference playing against a football team with years of experience in college football and a team that has never played college football ever is worlds apart.

I don't think BCS caliber teams schedule games against expansion cf teams ever, certainly not all the time like you claim.

But I guess in the longrun it doesn't matter. What's the difference between beating Prairie View A&M by 70 or Georgia State by 100?
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Not that im an alabama booster, but look at their sched...

arkansas (ranked, and after a bye week for them)
florida
South Carolina (not ranked but maybe good, away, and after a USC bye week)
Ole Miss (ranked, after an Ole Miss bye, at a neutral site)
Tennessee (after a UT bye week, at tennessee)
LSU (in death valley, LSU is ranked)
MSU (after an MSU bye week)

Plus one of their OOCs is against Penn State. That's pretty brutal.
 
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you forgot Auburn(home game) and Duke who we play away. David Cutcliff has reserected that program they may well compete for an acc division title this year. Bit im pumped for the south carolina southern miss and utah pitt game tonight. thank god college football is back
 
crimsonjunk said:
thank god college football is back
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First weekend of September is here! Thank fuck!

Re: Bama... Yeah, I think they're number 1 with good reason. They are not going to fall out of the top 5, I would bet everything I own on that... (Maybe if they lose one game, they drop past 5 for a week, at the worst)...
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I did not know...
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Yeah, games are booked in advance, but I didn't know we tried to set this up right when Miami of Ohio was doing well, and we were pre-championships. :\ Can we get any slack for this cupcake on our schedule now?
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why would u get any slack for that

do you think anyone in thier right mind thought that Miami of Ohio was gonna have a 13-1 season and be able to maintain that caliber of play for 6 years until thier meeting with Florida

i mean i see what you're tryin to say but who knows where any team will be in 6 years, particularly schools like Miami of Ohio

and i dont think it was too much of a gamble to assume the wouldnt be able to maintain that type of play/record
 
Looking forward even more to Miami - Ohio State next weekend. Both teams did what they were supposed to do - crush the inferior teams - and looked really good doing it. Although Pryor won't be able to get away with that throwing the ball at the receivers feet shit when he plays Miami. On the other hand, he will probably run a lot more.
 
fuck you lane kiffin you awful faggot.

you gave up 36 to hawaii, you suck. i fucking hate you.

VOLS BITCH!
 
Well after going to the Buckeyes season opener last night, I must say OSU looked real sharp. Pryor picked up where he left off in the Rose Bowl, the Defense was dominant, and the two minor concerns I have are:
The offensive line. It seemed like Pryor had guys around him quite a bit, but the O-Line is always a question so I'll let that slide.
And the special teams gave up a blocked FG for a TD, but I don't really think that will be a repeating problem.

I feel good about the Buckeyes this year, bring on Miami!
 
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