The OD or Panic attack checklist

[Madmike]

another thing to look out for is when somone "falls out" a friend did a "normal" shot he was totally comfotable with and bam hes laying in my lap ,plus he was talking to me for about 2 minutes after words and thats plenty of timefor it to have madeit to the brain

anyway he fell out i panicked,he was limp but also rather damn stiff when i tried to move him his eyes were open ,he was drooling and kinda moaning

i called th emts(well somone else did) ,basically he didnt OD case his heart was pounding and he woke up like 15 min later with a emt's cleavage(sP) in his face and s like "what?"


so the next time im with him the same thin happened i got rid of my spoon etc just in case i had to call somone and basically i just kept checking his pulse in is juggular and like before it was beating fast ,i set him up in the seat ,wiped his drool and kept watch on his pulse for about 8-10 min then e just started blinking his eyes and came too

what that was i hae no idea ,the dope wasnt cut with coke or amps cause i did the same dope ...anyway i dont know what this explains but just cause somone falls out they arent od'ing every time and th first time i called the emts and it really didnt hrt at all ,they searched didnt find anything cause i hid it and gave a story about he said he did a bag but i have no clue what that is and i said we had just met and just hanging out riding around i thik they thought we were gay maybe haha

but everything worked out

Is he using benzos to potentiate dope? Sounds a bit unusual or too much of heroin. Adrenaline release is body's last measure to make sure brains get oxygen. It causes person to lose consciounces to save energy and oxygen, muscle jerks come from adrenergic stimulation. Sounds like GHB overdose to me. Or maybe he should get his blood pressure checked. It maybe too low due to dehydration and malnutriotion. One diagnosis could be also sudden drop in blood sugar , bad hypoglycemia due to not eating while high. Drink sodas at least. Take care for yourself. PS. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia#Adrenergic_manifestations

 

[gregg]

Yeah, initially I intended to make all the content for this list, but then I got lazy. Heck I'm a junky AND it's a beautiful day out, it's too hard to concentrate. I figured ppl would just contribute, and they are. The focus is mainly to help paranoid users, i.e. your left arm hurting could be a heart attack, but did you know it is also a symptom of anxiety attack? Also useful tips like breating into a paper bag to regulate breathing for the hyperventilators etc...

 

[redpaint]

you're an idiot.

You're right. I'm an idiot because I did stay home telling myself that it's just another panic attack. I'm a very lucky idiot.

 

[LivingOnValium]

2. check pupils, if you can do this, -> Panic

8. vomiting/nausea -> may get Panic Worse if you can't vomit, drink or eat a bit and lay down
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I have zero tolerance to opioids. But on some occasions (if someone is willing to sell me, and the quality is supposed to be good) i will by a single dose of heroin that a friend of mine has measured out and prepped a shot for me.

I've always been told that the smack is good, when your pupils are pin point and you have to puke. Happens to me most of times. And vomiting on heroin doesn't even feel bad IMO. It only annoys when you're nodding hard in the dreamland and the nausea snaps you out of it because you need to puke.

 

[Pillthrill]

idk, are you screwed if you are alone and happen to OD? Do you have time to go "oh shit" and get to where there is help?

 

[gregg]

idk, are you screwed if you are alone and happen to OD? Do you have time to go "oh shit" and get to where there is help?

If you are IVing, probably not unfortuantely. So if you arent sure, have a predialed 911 in hand just to be safe.

Also, some phones will actually call 911 if you predial and dont press send, so be careful. I had this experience once when threatening to call 911 on my girlfriend when she was tweaking out on me.

if you arent injecting, then there should be time to get outside at least, it might not be the best time to drive though. Like I said before though, this list is really more geared towards people who are scared that they might be ODing but probably are just having a panic attack, it is intended to comfort them. I've been there, it isnt fun.

 

[LivingOnValium]

idk, are you screwed if you are alone and happen to OD? Do you have time to go "oh shit" and get to where there is help?

Not sure if this is for me?

That's why someone more experienced measures the dose for me. He is also present when i shoot it.

 

[brutus]

You're right. I'm an idiot because I did stay home telling myself that it's just another panic attack. I'm a very lucky idiot.

Wow, your stupidity amazes me. He was talking about your dumbass statement in which you said all drugs cause cardio damage.

Wait, maybe you aren't aware of the word cardio, it's another word for your heart. I just felt like I should clear that up for you. Perhaps you're just an 11 year old that is merely regurgitating information fed to you by your local D.A.R.E. officer.

 

[sixpartseven]

idk, are you screwed if you are alone and happen to OD? Do you have time to go "oh shit" and get to where there is help?

You dont have to "get" anywhere. Pick up a phone, dial 911 (or whatever it is in whatever country.)

The one thing you should NOT do when you think you are ODing is to try and drive somewhere on your own. It may seem silly to some, but I seriously suggest making sure you have a phone nearby IF you choose to not have an actual person nearby when you are doing any drug at a dose that could possibly cause you to OD. Once you start to seriously say to yourself "OK, I may be ODing here" pick up the phone and call EMS. You seriously have a very limited amount of time (when IVing) between dosing the drug and actually going unconscious. Do what you can to assess the situation in that time, and determine if you are going to need to go to the ER.

Thats still being risky. You should always try to be with somebody, or at least be in a house where your parents or someone else is in another part of the house, that way if you do have to get up and try to move yourself, you dont actually have to leave the house. You can go downstairs or upstairs or wherever it is the other person is at and let them know whats up. Its definitely a better idea to have a friend with you so they can respond to the situation immediately.

if you arent injecting, then there should be time to get outside at least, it might not be the best time to drive though. Like I said before though, this list is really more geared towards people who are scared that they might be ODing but probably are just having a panic attack, it is intended to comfort them. I've been there, it isnt fun.

I dont agree with "gearing" it that way. What if someone comes here who is actually ODing, they read this and convince themselves they are not, but instead just having a panic attack? I think that is a very dangerous and very real possibility. I think it should focus more on determining IF you are actually ODing, and not determining that you ARE just having a panic attack, you know what I mean?

In other words, make this a check list that someone can use to see if they are actually ODing. It shouldnt be a "so you think you are ODing? Use this to show you how you are actually just having a panic attack."

It should be "So you think you are ODing? Use this to see if you really are or not."

 

[Pillthrill]

^ it was just a general question of interest. I was just guessing that other than calling 911...

 

[Madmike]

You should get your door open for paramedics in case of 911 call.

 

[ifonly]

for IV users i am also aware that it is not always as easy as checking pulse/breathing/etc.

my only major overdose was via IV, and i can remember prepping the shot, but i cant remember actually doing it or anything for the next 48 hours really.

i am all for this thread (even tho some of the info is a bit misleading) but just thought i'd throw in that people should always be cautious when IVing opiates, because sometimes there simply isnt time.

p.s. incase you were wondering, i turned out fine, apart from a severe anger at having missed the feeling of a big shot. Unfortunately it did nothing to make me realise my situation, and i continued using drugs for some time afterwards.

it's amazing the holds that simple groups of tiny atoms can put us in.

 

[johanneschimpo]

I invented an ingenious device for dealing with overdoses, even for IV when you have that 10 second window before turning blue; it still works.

I'd go into more detail (I think I have before in another thread) but I don't want to give away all the details, as I'm in the process of applying for a patent.

I don't know how it will go over though, its not really a mainstream thing to sell something geared towards IV heroin/coke users, so I suppose it would have to be marketed as being for any emergency... but its really directed towards and intended for drug overdoses. Also, getting junkies to actually buy it might be difficult: Lets say it sells for $20 - a junkie would go out and buy 2 bags of dope before buying a device that would save their life if they overdose. Its quite the conundrum, but its the sad (realistic) truth.

I'll keep everybody posted on how the patent comes along; and whenever its done I'll let you guys know about it. Also, if I decide to sell it online I'll put a link up, as its a brilliant and very important device.

 

[brutus]

^ That would be fucking bad ass if it all worked out. You could quit college and just bank the money from the device. Plus it would save lives. But you would have to put some kind of disclaimer about you are not liable if said product does not save a person's life.

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ Right. Or just don't explicitly state that it will do so. Kind of like how non-FDA approved products (herbal remedies and whatnot) get away with making ridiculous claims.

I don't think it will sell enough to make it my entire living, and even if it did, I wouldn't drop out of college. I'm close enough to my degree to just keep on. I don't think I'd quit for anything, actually.

Thanks for the encouragement wiggi; I'm really hoping it does work out. Make some money AND save lives. Its a win-win situation.

 

[brutus]

Yea, I wouldn't drop out of college for anything either. I got a long ass way to go though. But anyways, I would definitely buy one even though I don't IV, let alone none of my friends do either.

 

[Lysis]

This thread could have potential as an aftermath from "riding out" an overdose or strange feeling. A couple of days ago I think I had a seizure. I'm not sure (never had one before). I had just woken up in the middle of the night. I was feeling fine and suddenly I started to sweat really badly and my eyes felt like I lost control and they were moving. I had the flashy lights in front of me and blurry vision and weakness in muscles and my heart suddenly started beating really fast and I was afraid I was going into cardiac arrest. It was a horrible feeling that I hadn't felt before. I had taken a lot of soma and was drinking over the weekend.

Well, the next morning I decided to research a little. Came to bluelight and google. I thought of this thread to see if anyone had had a similar experience. I thought maybe it was a panic attack, but I don't think so.

Anyway, it's an idea for the direction of the thread. It might not be a preventative but something for people to research if they have a strange, negative experience.

 

[ifonly]

schimpo, i have thought briefly of something like that befor, and how much good it could do. the actual implementation however is another thing; my creative mind isnt as great as id like it to be.

i was originally thinking some sort of delayed reaction narcan or something that would go off in 20 seconds if you did not remove it yourself. however that would depend on narcan's legal status, plus the fact that many users wud not be fucked to fiddle with shit, and there is a difference between super fucked and at risk of ODing.

anyway my basolute best wishes for your patent thingy, your position within bluelight also would be of great help to launch any future products, so i hope i all goes well.

 

[electric blues]

im fuckin sorry but this thread is retarded. If you even for a second think you are close to OD'ing, CALL SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! it no NO TINE to be worried about being caught, when you might not worry about anything at all soon. Just because you hear all of these stories of people surviving an OD, never forget that it doesn't take but a few minutes alone to die in your sleep

for fucks sake this is a HARM REDUCTION website and you are telling people to lie on their back and basically ask to be drown in their own vomit. Brilliant. Im tired of seeing perfectly healthy people die for a high....