The occult?

[undergrounddlz]

Anyone here study the occult?

When I say occult I'm not necessarily talking about satanism or strictly dark practices most people have known to associate with the term.

Within the past oh IDK year I've been getting more and more into reading Crowley works. As cryptic as it is, a lot of it seems to make sense. I have somewhat of a masochistic personality (avoidant) so that may be attributed to this fascination I have to keep delving more into it.

Diary of a Drug Fiend, The Book of The Law, The Book of Lies...

The next one I've been trying to get is Magick: Book 4, Liber Aba.

I've read bits and pieces around the web. Not very many people fuck with this stuff, however, the elites. Former presidents surrounding a huge owl performing rituals.. Priests molesting little kids so they can suck the life force out of them. Children randomly dissapearing, why; for rituals which (supposedly) are for the purpose of sucking the pure life force from them. (see David Icke)

In Magick: Book 4, Liber Aba Crowley goes pretty in depth into meditation, methods of keeping the mind from wondering. Mentions memory strengthening practices in Liber III.

The correct interpretation of the bible is read the "gods" created the heavens and the earth. Not one, but plural. This is the way the biblical script is correctly translated. (see Jordan Maxwell)

I believe the bible is a metaphor for a lot of important points, I agree with Jordan on this. I am becoming more and more to believe that Christianity and all these religions have malformed the correct interpretation. If you go back and do the research about how all this stuff really came to be.

Maybe the occult is the "left hand path" to spiritual evolution within yourself. Then again too many people fucking with the knowledge might not be a good thing.


David Icke - The Lion Sleeps no More
Jordan Maxwell - The Bible, End Times, Prehistory

 

[swilow]

I'm a sometimes member of a thelemic group, though the main philosphies are borrowed from chaos magick. The thelemic aspects revolve mainly around sex, but I tend to feel its missing the point or overshooting the mark, getting bogged down in what I see as a very un-magickal practise. I tend to not participate in these aspects.

I think the actual word "occult" does a lot for hiding (occluding ) the truth of some spiritual/magickal practises. I don't know why it gets associated with ridiculous things such as the illumnati, satanism- not to mention the things mentioned in the OP (spiritual vampirism...?)

Something such as the goetia, or demon summoning, sounds sinister and evil, but its no more then used guided imaginings to access areas of the mind that we generally assume are locked or hidden. The results are very strange and decidedly real but not supernatural; a manifestation of an other may be apprarent but this other vanishes when the subjects mind retreats.

I'm not sure why you mentioned the bible though.

 

[panic in paradise]

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St Theodotus(Archodise Orthodox-Egyptian) is a big influence on Thelemic Law - he was a Christian "Martyr", who was imprisoned by Pagans, and kept in a "well" type dungeon/cell - he told them something along the lines of 'the more you attempt to have me deny my faith, the stronger it becomes' - until his head was eventually cut off; St Augustine has a similar story as well.


i like to see the Occult as maybe Babylonia Egypt etc.- or, the other-side of the "void", which St Theodotus according to some, attempted to do with Mary.
or maybe just non-mainstream religions - Sects, particular God/Goddess, deity, idol worship, or maybe a life philosophy and way of living.


the Bible also mentions 666, as simply a body of light: not good or evil, but this i believe would be the body of light that is the conjoining of the void.

 

[swilow]

^I was more querying the supposed misinterpretation of the bible (ie. gods/god). I find kabbalah to be very interesting and its almost wholly derived from judaiism/study of torah.

 

[panic in paradise]

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right, the Qabbalah is the focal point, the Key it seems with Occult practices and theory. Qabbalah: Hebrew Mysticism is essentially the study of "space", the universe, metaphysics and Stella creation - where as Paganism is an umbrella term, for the study of "Earthly mysticism" or religious practice.

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studying Saturn and Kundalini, you will learn or better appreciate more of the Occult, or Void.

Gilgamesh is worth mentioning, as he is claimed to be the finder of the lost Occults, and platelets from the other side;-)of the Dead Sea, discussing "religion" and Gods/Goddess', many thousands of years ago !

 

[panic in paradise]

a summery of the 32 in 31.2/3 minutes - essential -
this is a silent film, also, so if you watch allow your mind to create some theatrics. there is a lot of very well done 'shifting of atmosphere' in the silence that is way a-head of its time,,, really.
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La Coquille et le Clergyman (1926, Germaine Dulac)
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The Seashell and the Clergyman (French: La Coquille et le clergyman) is considered by many to be the first surrealist film. It was directed by Germaine Dulac, from an original scenario by Antonin Artaud, and premiered in Paris on 9 February 1928. The film follows the erotic hallucinations of a priest lusting after the wife of a general.

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[undergrounddlz]

Wow all very interesting. And yes the word 'occult' means hidden. Took me a while to get back on this as I've been busy in and out of other things, but still on the topic. I've read about some chaos magick, but nothing of real interest caught me. I didn't think the bible actually had the number '666' anywhere in it, I was under the impression this wasn't biblical symbolism. As a body of light now that is something else. Wonder what started the interpretation of evil.

Magick: Book 4, Liber Aba is arriving today.

The bible reference was more of just a related thought. Seeing as how all these religions preach only worshiping one god and not trying to be your own god ect taking things into your own hands and attempting to find other sources of salvation, spirits or other entities. Since the 'Gods' created the heavens and the earth, this interpretation greatly omits that.

a summery of the 32 in 31.2/3 minutes - essential -
this is a silent film, also, so if you watch allow your mind to create some theatrics. there is a lot of very well done 'shifting of atmosphere' in the silence that is way a-head of its time,,, really.
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La Coquille et le Clergyman (1926, Germaine Dulac)
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I can't say I've ever watched a silent film before. Maybe ill try looking for this.

 

[panic in paradise]

^the link is there...;-)

puns all the way home....

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the Bible is not a joke

 

[EndlessSummer]

I have studied the occult and am interested in chaos and ceremonial magick, though anything occult-related is fair game to me.

So much great information and sources out there. I've been downloading massive packs of of occult-related books from digimob and I must have over a hundred gigs worth. So much information and fascinating really.

 

[panic in paradise]

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what has most you interested so far?


lately i have been bothered by the term 'Indo-paganism', or 'Neo-Paganism' - whos business is it to throw a blanket term over a study of the ancient practices...?
i feel groups or orders such as the Golden Dawn, or Ordo Templi Orientis should have their place, as they are an entity created to teach esoteric study, theosophy, spirituality what-have-you initially.

to create a name, a generalization for generalizations sake is absolutely un-called for, if i was attempted to be pegged down as that, i would feel sorry for whom ever was attempting to do so.


sorry, thats more a border-line tangent - i hope you see what i mean.

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i love you avatar BTW, EndlessSummer, that really is the fore-ground of a or the SkyBlue.

 

[echo off]

for some reason, whenever i think of the occult, i think of two things. dark rooms, and internal spirituality. when i say internal, i refer mainly to the difference between what i imagine is 'occult' and the standard religions. christianity and islam are external, seeking to glorify god or outside influences and effects. for me, occult refers to the practices of glorifying (or perhaps just studying) internal influences and effects. is that a fair description?

Something such as the goetia, or demon summoning, sounds sinister and evil, but its no more then used guided imaginings to access areas of the mind that we generally assume are locked or hidden. The results are very strange and decidedly real but not supernatural; a manifestation of an other may be apprarent but this other vanishes when the subjects mind retreats.

See and that's why I say what I said. I can't imagine people actually attempting to summon a demon and believing they will succeed, unless they are 15, and most likely female (sorry, i know i know) but the idea of channeling mental stimulus (the idea of a demon) through cognitive exercises (rituals) to access a part of your own mind that is generally blocked by your conscious... that makes a shit ton of sense! it's similar to a meditative trance, which we have proof assists hypnotherapy to obtain behavioral change, or non-drug induced altered states of consciousness. it's even similar to the concept of lucid dreaming (although i'll always argue that you're just dreaming that you're in control of your dream interception! XD )

then i get to potential alchemical occult theologies and wonder exactly what can the brain achieve under certain states of drug altered consciousness. i've heard some pretty amazing dmt trip reports... you never know, maybe you can summon your ancestors through the dna left in their bones, and channel their consciousness through your mind, or someone else. would be pretty cool, wouldn't it

 

[panic in paradise]

^Alchemy covers a broad spectrum - we practice "alchemy" often, daily, hourly sometimes constantly psychologically; personally seeing and experiencing how we do, i do not see why the theory is not implemented to practical extents in psychology...

 

[gaktattack]

I read alot of icke and got too deep into the ultraconpiratorial stuff.

I dont think the actions people take in harming others and the world requires any more motives than greed. Tools song stinkfist being about desensitization and requiring ever more extreme stimuli to feel could relate to why the powerful fall to child molestation and other taboo practices.

Im a pragmatist, the simplest explanation is greed begets asshole behavior. I dont think mistreatment of people requires a race of lizard aliens to impregnate primates with advanced DNA.

 

[Raymonde]

I'm very interested in the occult and I think I can explain a lot of "magic" in terms that make logical sense. I don't want this to look too much like I'm spamming but I've written blog posts on the subject and it seems silly to rehash it. Primarily what the OP said about Bohemian Grove (the elite owl worship), but also some stuff about Silvio Berlusconi and Jay-Z.

Stuff about Bohemian Grove, Moloch and related things.

Things that pop music artists get up to that has no "rational" explanation.

Please do have a read through the other posts if any of that is of interest.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

This stuff interests me greatly. I've been involved in a Kabbalah circle at my wife's temple, Freemasonry, and have spoken to people involved in various smaller Hermetic groups.

Occult spirituality, a.k.a. magick, is very simple in principle. As willow pointed out, it's simply affecting a deliberate change in your inner world -- the thoughts you entertain and the attitudes and schemata with which you process the world -- in order to affect a change in how you engage physically with the world around you. It's something that ought to be approached with caution, and is not for the young and impressionable, nor for the gullible or easily led, or those not of sound mind. There are good reasons why many mystical orders have historically been open only to adults with much life experience, who are finished raising children and being providers.

I think you could draw a lot of parallels between occult practice (especially as practiced communally), and life improvement seminars like Landmark™. Both tend to be run by highly charismatic individuals with jarring methods of getting participants to reframe their entire views of who they are and what they're capable of. In fact, I think you could definitely classify life improvement or human potential seminars as a type of magick, though I'm sure there's nary such a seminar that wants any of the cultural baggage associated with terms like 'occult', 'esoteric', or 'magick'. Their image and imagery is entirely secular for marketing and legal purposes. But their methods and aims are not unlike groups that have traditionally used imagery from popular religious scripture to illustrate the same lessons of personal empowerment.

 

[StratMan172]

thank you for mentioning digimob, i will be looking over this site for a long time to come

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

Would it be fair to say that the occult can be found in every level of society? From what I can see,, practises that would be described as occultic such as yogic exercise and TM as well as visualisation etc have become commonplace. Even the Christian holidays are pagan holidays with an unconvincing biblical veneer. Add horoscopes palmistry etc and it looks like we are virtually a new age society. Im not making accusation of conspiracy, but wondering whether this is just a matter of personal perspective.

 

[-=SS=-]

I haven't personally studied the occult, but from what I gather from reading on the subject and from others who have studied more of it.. it's best not to get involved in that route of inquiry. Look at Crowley for instance, he died a confused lunatic who was no closer to understanding the Truth than when he started. When you mess with entities and try to use magic without a full understanding of the laws you ARE going to end up in trouble; and no one in the Occult knows all the laws, don't be swayed by their ego's and pretense of power. We have barely mapped Earth.. to think anyone has even mapped 1% of the other dimensions or laws of existence.. remember common sense in all this.

Males are greatly attracted to the lure of power, and many get used up by forces they didn't envision ever existing in the first place.

If you're going to investigate it my only advice would be: Don't summon entities.. humans are malicious enough as it is, and you can actually see them/defend against them! And don't get involved in sex magic.. that road leads to nowhere.

 

[Sepher]

thank you for mentioning digimob, i will be looking over this site for a long time to come

And thank you for bumping the thread Stratman, cos I wouldn't have come across the digimob thing otherwise. Just signed up. Did have an account on theoccult.bz a while back but probably pulled too much too fast and have since been canned. Excellent resource it was too, but invite only now.

Recently come into contact with my local O.T.O. lodge, met them a couple of times socially but still pretty obviously at the feeling each other out stage at the minute, unsure quite where it might lead. Been interested in the Golden Dawn system / Kabbalah a long while, moreso than Crowley / Thelema but the O.T.O. is the nearest I've come to a magical order of any description in the real world to date so gonna see how things develop.

There's a lot of bullshit talked about the occult, a lot of it quite deliberate misrepresentation from both its detractors and those seemingly seeking to profit from the gullible. Talk of Illuminati-like secret societies or the acquisition of magical powers over supernatural forces is just horse shit, plain and simple. Everything I've read so far on the Golden Dawn / Kabbalah / Thelema points to them being supremely rational systems of self-discovery. Some of the best introductions I've read to Thelema at least if anyone's interested would be:

http://iao131.com/

http://www.erwinhessle.com/

Doesn't suffer fools gladly Erwin Hessle, likes a good row, but cuts through a lot of the mystic mumbo-jumbo.

 

[Termino]

Look at Crowley for instance, he died a confused lunatic who was no closer to understanding the Truth than when he started.

That's far from true. Magick Without Tears, one of Crowleys clearest and most lucid books, was written near the end of his life. Unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation and outright lies floating around that make Crowley look far worse than he was. He may have been a bit messed up in his personal life, but his synthesis of diverse magickal systems was nothing short of brilliant. I'm confident that he was indeed far closer to 'understanding the Truth' than you may suspect, especially since you stated that you haven't personally studied the occult.

I've been involved in 'the occult' in general and ceremonial magick in particular. My focus isn't 'power': it's on developing myself to be the best person that I can be. It's about breaking down internal barriers and recreating myself as I wish to be instead of as circumstances have made me. It's about opening up to new experiences and expanding my consciousness.

After years of solo work I finally hooked up with the local O.T.O. body. I found there a group of highly intelligent individuals involved in a wide variety of magicikal practices, whose unifying theme is the spiritual philosophy of Thelema. Association with these fine folks has made a world of difference to me and I've been much more focused in my practices.

I've read bits and pieces around the web. Not very many people fuck with this stuff, however, the elites. Former presidents surrounding a huge owl performing rituals.. Priests molesting little kids so they can suck the life force out of them. Children randomly dissapearing, why; for rituals which (supposedly) are for the purpose of sucking the pure life force from them.

Aside from the Bohemian Grove reference, the rest is bullshit. An awful lot of real occult practices have been sensationalized and blown way out of proportion for money or by people with their own agenda. Theres a lot of crappy books by crappy authors who either try to make things light and fluffy, or who try to make them look deep dark & evil. The truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. And the truth must be discovered by each individual for him/herself, not handed out on a platter for mass consumption.