Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

[Mr. Krinkle]

that's just a place to start...

the paragraph that should stand out to you and cause you to further research it, which im not going to do for you since you love vaccines no matter what anybody else says....

In 1905 Clemens von Pirquet, an Austrian pediatrician, noticed that patients vaccinated for smallpox using horse serum reacted quickly and severely to a second dose. Pirquet correctly deduced that the symptoms of what he called serum sickness were being caused by the immune system producing antibodies to fight antigens, or foreign substances contained in the serum. In 1906, he coined a new term for this antibody-antigen interaction: allergy.



i'll give you this too:


The term aphylaxis was coined by French physiologist Charles Richet in 1902 in the sense "lack of protection". Richet himself later changed the term to anaphylaxis on grounds of euphony.[17] The term is from the Greek ἀνά-, ana-, meaning "against", and φύλαξις, phylaxis, meaning "protection".[53] In his experiments, Richet injected a dog with sea anemone (Actinia) toxin in an attempt to protect it. Although the dog had previously tolerated the toxin, on re-exposure, three weeks later with the same dose, it developed fatal anaphylaxis. Thus instead of inducing tolerance (prophylaxis), when lethal responses resulted from previously tolerated doses, he coined the word a (without) phylaxis (protection). He was subsequently awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his work on anaphylaxis in 1913.[12] The phenomenon itself, however, has been described since ancient times.[36]



So....there you have it...bypassing the liver with an injection, which is un-natural to begin with, was the first time fatal anaphylaxis was observed

 

[Jabberwocky]

there's no doubt in my mind, that almost all allergies are from vaccines

colour me convinced!! what a stunning argument you put forward. the way you carefully laid out your assumptions and then went on to weave inferences together.

as someone with multiple at times debilitating allergies i have to say i prefer them than measles or most of the other vaccine preventable diseases. not that i've had those, because my parents got me vaccinated. i also prefer being autistic to those.

and nice try in your more recent post but apparently the first documented case of fatal anaphylaxis was in Egypt nearly 5000 years ago.

 

[Derschieber]

unfortunately not. my background is in theoretical physics/computer science. i design algorithms and write code to analyse biological data.



i like the sound of getting filthy rich but unfortunately probably lack the skills you would need. or the desire to run a business.

Well...it was a long-shot lol reg theoretical physics - why is the earth's core hot...you know...not just hot, but liquid lava hot. What's driving it? Energy source?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

colour me convinced!! what a stunning argument you put forward. the way you carefully laid out your assumptions and then went on to weave inferences together.

as someone with multiple at times debilitating allergies i have to say i prefer them than measles or most of the other vaccine preventable diseases. not that i've had those, because my parents got me vaccinated. i also prefer being autistic to those.

and nice try in your more recent post but apparently the first documented case of fatal anaphylaxis was in Egypt nearly 5000 years ago.

so you would rather be autistic and vaccinated than not autistic and with a remote chance of catching the measles...

ok then

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well...it was a long-shot lol reg theoretical physics - why is the earth's core hot...you know...not just hot, but liquid lava hot. What's driving it? Energy source?

pressure from all the stuff above i believe.

so you would rather be autistic and vaccinated than not autistic and with a remote chance of catching the measles...

ok then

i would be autistic if i was not vaccinated, because it is largely genetic. and i fucking love being autistic. i just hate the fact that ableist antivaxxers would prefer i'd die of preventable disease than exist.

i grew up around the impact of vaccine preventable diseases, as anyone in my age range did cos their parents generation bore the scars. a close friends dad died of a vaccine preventable disease when he was 11 (the friend, obviously the dad was older). so, its not a remote chance, cumulatively across diseases and time, its quite significantly higher than the incredibly remote chance of an adverse reaction to a vaccine.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

pressure from all the stuff above i believe.




i would be autistic if i was not vaccinated, because it is largely genetic. and i fucking love being autistic. i just hate the fact that ableist antivaxxers would prefer i'd die of preventable disease than exist.

i grew up around the impact of vaccine preventable diseases, as anyone in my age range did cos their parents generation bore the scars. a close friends dad died of a vaccine preventable disease when he was 11 (the friend, obviously the dad was older). so, its not a remote chance, cumulatively across diseases and time, its quite significantly higher than the incredibly remote chance of an adverse reaction to a vaccine.

cool

my mother had rubella and the measles as a kid in the 1950s and lived to tell about it - no scars

and i have anaphylaxis

so maybe that's why i feel the way i do and that's why you feel the way you do

 

[acklac7]

 

[Yourbaker]

did you actually read my post?


i told you to stop blaming scientists for decisions made by politicians and narratives controlled by the media.


nope, i specifically mentioned cooking as an example. you can teach children that, but they will not be as good a baker as you. that is exactly my point. baking is no different to science or any other skill in this case, no amount of explanation by a practitioner makes up for practise.

no amount of laymans explanations will make a lay man capable of understanding a field of science to the level a researcher can.

@chinup I have read all your posts, I don't follow you because a lot of your writing isn't in areas of my interest. You believe me to be obtuse regarding the obvious difference between scientific learning and religious but I am not being.

There is no difference. If I follow the religious practices they lead to a place where the base principle is obviously flawed, few actually find this, most accept this as true with a word from others. The issue is if you look more closely you will see the truth in many religions has simply been covered with misinformation.

I will give you an example, pagan beliefs include things like surrounding yourself with a circle of salt to keep evil out or using silver knives, swords and bullets to slay were beasts. During the Spanish flu pandemic people filled their pockets with salt to kill the demons.

Turns out salt and silver kill microbials, ancient people knew this. Salt I can see how they figured it out but silver needs a society to understand as an antimicrobial agent not cave people. Where did the religion learn these truths? And take note how they were practically lost from common understanding for the right reason but a fable had overtaken it. These old religions began as science. Then some nutters added shit that made them rich and the others didn't stop it because it was greedy gold mine.

I am not blaming science, I am warning science. Not threatening, pointing out. Take charge of the scientific community, stop allowing the media or politicians to use your data for nefarious reasons. Don't let the peer reviewed word of God be perverted by these mouth pieces, it happened in religions, not a single early religion began as a control tool. Only second generation religions were built on lies the first ones were science. Our society has walked this path before.

The people I teach to bake will end up much better than I am. I am on year 35, with my training when they reach year 35 their skill and understanding will eclipse me. They will remember me mythically if I have done my job right and will surpass me by leaps.

Most important, the world will be in a different time and instead of gluten being evil someone will demonize cornstarch or baking soda and they will have a whole new set of media event challenges.

Proper training results always in better students. Please consider your own instructors, were they really as smart as you in your mind? Because you gained their hard sought knowledge with ease and were able to leap forward off of their wisdom and understanding.

In every field if we protect the truth we know and are sure to pass that truth to the others in our society that are doing jobs we just put faith in and they do the same for us we will thrive.

Our goal, as humanity, should be to tailor our society to achieve huge things.

The last piece where you decry us lay people as unlearned. I understand quantum physics, I disagree with string theory in several aspects. I can't fix my car. Humans can understand very complex issues. If you reduce your religious jargon and use simple English (a job the media should be doing), laypeople can follow insane complexity.

You seem to have ascribed to the same belief old religious leaders had, how people just couldn't possibly understand the intricacies of God.

You keep saying science is different, but here you are again literally repeating their words about exactly the same thing.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You believe me to be obtuse regarding the obvious difference between scientific learning and religious but I am not being.

yes i do. because i have repeated myself over and over, pointing out that scientific learning can be accessed in a way that religious truths cannot. and can be applied for practical reasons, yielding technology, which religion does not. and you keep defaulting back to your position without addressing the fact that this is a fundamental difference that you need to account for for your assertion to be correct.

Turns out salt and silver kill microbials, ancient people knew this. Salt I can see how they figured it out but silver needs a society to understand as an antimicrobial agent not cave people. Where did the religion learn these truths? And take note how they were practically lost from common understanding for the right reason but a fable had overtaken it. These old religions began as science. Then some nutters added shit that made them rich and the others didn't stop it because it was greedy gold mine.

maybe they did. i know they began as a way of understanding the world, and until the enlightenment religion and science were barely distinguishable because we didn't have the scientific method. so i guess you could call it science. but their knowledge was not hit upon using the scientific method, or likely anything that can be considered a precursor to it. i suspect there is some confirmation bias. you didn't mention about consulting the ancestors or administering laxatives for literally anything (because they obviously did something) or weird bits of animals or whatever.

Take charge of the scientific community, stop allowing the media or politicians to use your data for nefarious reasons.

that's literally not possible. you can only control what you do. not what others do. scientists have attempted to influence politicians and the media and continue to do so. it doesn't seem to help.

take charge of the baking community. stop allowing the media or politicians to use your recipes for nefarious reasons.

The last piece where you decry us lay people as unlearned.

i don't. i literally point out that lay people, by definition, don't know as much as experts.

I understand quantum physics

no, you don't. you may have a rudimentary understanding of the harmonics in a potential well and other such simplistic systems but i strongly doubt that you could debate me now about popescu-rohlich boxes and other non-classical communication protocols or enthuse with me about how fucking cool it is that certain systems of quantum chaos exhibit formal undecidability

i barely understand one tiny aspect of quantum physics and i have a fucking phd in it.

, I disagree with string theory in several aspects.

i don't understand it but from what i gather its mostly meaningless.

You seem to have ascribed to the same belief old religious leaders had, how people just couldn't possibly understand the intricacies of God.
You keep saying science is different, but here you are again literally repeating their words about exactly the same thing.

no, i am saying that you need to put in effort. not that its not possible. thats the difference. you could probably learn. but i can't explain most of the stuff i know to you in laymans terms without losing its meaning.

 

[Yourbaker]

yes i do. because i have repeated myself over and over, pointing out that scientific learning can be accessed in a way that religious truths cannot. and can be applied for practical reasons, yielding technology, which religion does not. and you keep defaulting back to your position without addressing the fact that this is a fundamental difference that you need to account for for your assertion to be correct.



maybe they did. i know they began as a way of understanding the world, and until the enlightenment religion and science were barely distinguishable because we didn't have the scientific method. so i guess you could call it science. but their knowledge was not hit upon using the scientific method, or likely anything that can be considered a precursor to it. i suspect there is some confirmation bias. you didn't mention about consulting the ancestors or administering laxatives for literally anything (because they obviously did something) or weird bits of animals or whatever.



that's literally not possible. you can only control what you do. not what others do. scientists have attempted to influence politicians and the media and continue to do so. it doesn't seem to help.

take charge of the baking community. stop allowing the media or politicians to use your recipes for nefarious reasons.



i don't. i literally point out that lay people, by definition, don't know as much as experts.


no, you don't. you may have a rudimentary understanding of the harmonics in a potential well and other such simplistic systems but i strongly doubt that you could debate me now about popescu-rohlich boxes and other non-classical communication protocols or enthuse with me about how fucking cool it is that certain systems of quantum chaos exhibit formal undecidability

i barely understand one tiny aspect of quantum physics and i have a fucking phd in it.



i don't understand it but from what i gather its mostly meaningless.



no, i am saying that you need to put in effort. not that its not possible. thats the difference. you could probably learn. but i can't explain most of the stuff i know to you in laymans terms without losing its meaning.

I feel we are getting somewhere.

If you ever feel like looking up my posts here I have decried the lie of the role of gluten forever. I have even worked for the largest gluten free independent plant in western Canada running their cookie and pie shell production. So I take the money and tell the truth about very bad for you gluten free products.

I agree 100% the public have been lied to and my job isn't to take their money and kill them with diabetes but also to educate. If you are celiac gluten free is fantastic, just remember it is all starch so basically 90% convertible to sugar. If you eat this product read the labels and, if you must, find plain rice flour bread vs gluten free 80 calorie a slice tiny bread.

Because I work everywhere I spread this truth constantly, you are being subtly misguided if you feel gluten free is in any way a healthy choice. It is a new way to get your money but great for the .9% of us born celiac.

Surprisingly over the last 7 years I have made a lot of headway and I think today most people are beginning to see this. A lot of people are now dismissing the Gluten fables, perhaps because of persistent effort on the part of the baking community to spread truth while still making money off gluten free.

Who will you burn at the stake when you find out your fad diet is killing you? As I have said repeatedly the vaccine industry is not trying to kill you anymore than bakers selling gluten free products are trying to give you diabetes. They are just making money of a world wide belief that is being literally forced on the population.

If your government legislated all children under 12 must eat gluten free I would be at the head of the anti-movement to stop it.

Edit: Krinkle probably would make better pizza dough. I would give him a run for his money because I understand exactly what I am looking for but lack his experience. I have a lot of pizza dough experience though because a lot of Canadian pizza places really don't use pizza dough and they buy it off bakeries all the time.

I designed a pizza dough using Caputo 00 flour that we sheeted round par-proofed and flash froze for a Woodfire portable oven company that made pizza for film sets in Vancouver on demand. Less than 5 minutes from order to plate often doing 600 plus a day per location so I have some experience but once I established a system I passed it to my lead baker and he improved it. Then he taught the table hands. I think the double zero flour is overkill when you import it from Italy.

 

[thujone]

I think he really is. I want to ask him how to make salted pretzels with that shiny glazed outer skin...apparently they use drain cleaner lol

that shiny glaze is created by brushing the dough with egg whites.

A Biologist ? Impressive.
You probably know about certain flagellate protozoa which produce enzymes such as glycoside hydrolases, endo-acting cellulases and exo-acting glucosidases which are able to cleave the glycosidic linkage in cellulose. If we collaborate...and figure out a way to mimic this action large-scale, we'll become filthy rich together...and all the plebs here will have to grovel at our feet

does the process consume (kill) the protozoa? i am actually quite interested in getting my hands on yeast that can convert inulin into ethanol but this protozoa thing sounds interesting as well, depending on potential yields of the process...

 

[Fire&Water]

I think he really is. I want to ask him how to make salted pretzels with that shiny glazed outer skin...apparently they use drain cleaner lol

Egg whites + H20

Edit: oops thujone already piped in

 

[thujone]

This week, Quebec announced it is expanding its mandatory vaccination passport system so people in the province will eventually need three doses of a vaccine to get certain services.

The province also announced that it was extending its passport system to people who wanted to enter liquor and pot stores.

I'm still waiting on everyone to be ready to finally acknowledge this has fuck-all to do with public health and it's just petty tyrants trying to punish anyone who doesn't obey them.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I feel we are getting somewhere.

If you ever feel like looking up my posts here I have decried the lie of the role of gluten forever. I have even worked for the largest gluten free independent plant in western Canada running their cookie and pie shell production. So I take the money and tell the truth about very bad for you gluten free products.

I agree 100% the public have been lied to and my job isn't to take their money and kill them with diabetes but also to educate. If you are celiac gluten free is fantastic, just remember it is all starch so basically 90% convertible to sugar. If you eat this product read the labels and, if you must, find plain rice flour bread vs gluten free 80 calorie a slice tiny bread.

Because I work everywhere I spread this truth constantly, you are being subtly misguided if you feel gluten free is in any way a healthy choice. It is a new way to get your money but great for the .9% of us born celiac.

Surprisingly over the last 7 years I have made a lot of headway and I think today most people are beginning to see this. A lot of people are now dismissing the Gluten fables, perhaps because of persistent effort on the part of the baking community to spread truth while still making money off gluten free.

Who will you burn at the stake when you find out your fad diet is killing you? As I have said repeatedly the vaccine industry is not trying to kill you anymore than bakers selling gluten free products are trying to give you diabetes. They are just making money of a world wide belief that is being literally forced on the population.

If your government legislated all children under 12 must eat gluten free I would be at the head of the anti-movement to stop it.

Edit: Krinkle probably would make better pizza dough. I would give him a run for his money because I understand exactly what I am looking for but lack his experience. I have a lot of pizza dough experience though because a lot of Canadian pizza places really don't use pizza dough and they buy it off bakeries all the time.

I designed a pizza dough using Caputo 00 flour that we sheeted round par-proofed and flash froze for a Woodfire portable oven company that made pizza for film sets in Vancouver on demand. Less than 5 minutes from order to plate often doing 600 plus a day per location so I have some experience but once I established a system I passed it to my lead baker and he improved it. Then he taught the table hands. I think the double zero flour is overkill when you import it from Italy.

ya know what i think? most people who think they have a gluten intolerance actually have a yeast sensitivity

do you know how you become sensitized to bakers yeast?

the Hep B vaccine


I buy Caputo 00 by the case on Amazon for $32

 

[Fire&Water]

unfortunately not. my background is in theoretical physics/computer science. i design algorithms and write code to analyse biological data

HolyShit does that sound boring!

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i think it should be everybody's goal to avoid vaccines and antibiotics as much as possible

i can see if you're taking a trip to the Congo, you might wanna get some shots....or if you're really sick and you really need antibiotics to recover, then take them...BUT i think it's wise to avoid both of those as much as you can

 

[Yourbaker]

that shiny glaze is created by brushing the dough with egg whites.



does the process consume (kill) the protozoa? i am actually quite interested in getting my hands on yeast that can convert inulin into ethanol but this protozoa thing sounds interesting as well, depending on potential yields of the process...

I forgot to respond to @Derschieber

Totally correct on how the shine is put on. We use Sodium Hydroxide diluted 30:1 also known as Lye. I've tried baking soda and water but not the same. I have used it and made pretzels everywhere in my career. I had an issue transporting it when it was moved to the dangerous goods list. I used to buy it as safeway grocery stores off the shelf.

You should see how paniced some people got at a gold mine, when they realized those pretzels they were eating were authentic, and somehow the baker was able to bring dangerous good through near strip search security. It was fully labeled security was just clueless, gold mines only have intense security on the way out.

Yeasts, the stuff you buy is kinda crappy. Yeast is really free floating in the air everywhere and beginning a sour starter is by far superior. I work only with yeast as a baker, my favorites come from starters in orchard areas, I currently have one 20 year old one from Germany that I like. Not a strong flavor but a strong yeast, I can avoid any commercial yeasts and get soft dinner buns with a hint of sour.

For all the people that are certain they feel better eating gluten free it isn't the gluten that has ever been your problem it is the yeast. Commercial yeast is bred for speed and does not eat all of the complex carbs. Some people can not digest some of these and suffer from wheat while not being celiac.

If you switch to natural fermentation and slow bread you won't have that problem.

More effort better bread.

 

[Derschieber]

does the process consume (kill) the protozoa?

I don't think so. Find them in a Termite's digestive tract, where they secrete the enzymes that effectively break down woody fiber into sugars... but do ask someone more qualified.

@Yourbaker Thanks. I tried using baking soda on my supermarket-yeast-pretzels last winter. The results were totally lame.

 

[JGrimez]

ftfy.

alasdair

That's not what I said. You're lying about what I said. Please refrain from lying.

 

[thujone]

Yeasts, the stuff you buy is kinda crappy. Yeast is really free floating in the air everywhere and beginning a sour starter is by far superior. I work only with yeast as a baker, my favorites come from starters in orchard areas, I currently have one 20 year old one from Germany that I like. Not a strong flavor but a strong yeast, I can avoid any commercial yeasts and get soft dinner buns with a hint of sour.

For all the people that are certain they feel better eating gluten free it isn't the gluten that has ever been your problem it is the yeast. Commercial yeast is bred for speed and does not eat all of the complex carbs. Some people can not digest some of these and suffer from wheat while not being celiac.

If you switch to natural fermentation and slow bread you won't have that problem.

More effort better bread.

I'd be interested in a writeup on this sometime, commercial food quality has gotten so bad and probably now with the inflation they will even start shaving corners that were already cut once