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with the disclaimer that im aware this is a dumb question, that everyone is different, and that you can't really accurately predict it
at what point in an opiate binge could one who has been using oxy/heroin on occasion for a while expect to start experiencing physical withdrawals?

Yeah sorry man, but there's really no way to answer that without at least a general layout of your history with opiates. It can be anything from 3 - 4 weeks to 3 - 4 days, depending on how long you've been using, how frequently, how high your tolerance is, how many times you've gone through w/d before, etc etc.
 
Just an update for those who have been following my blog of sorts... my doctor has said there is no way he is going to prescribe tramadol given i am already on 225mg effexor p/day, and that endone is my only hope (not even an increase). apparently my pain does not show up on any scans they have done, and from the doctor's point of view, which i get - his hands are tied. but i am in pain, and i'm scared about what is going to help me in the future.

i am lucky that i don't seem to be experiencing any wd's from endone (i lost a box in a taxi, and the likelihood of recovering that was zero, so i didn't even try). So i am relying on cwe's and some tram from the medicine cabinet, but to be honest, my pain is off the charts, my mood is the flattest it's been in months, and yet, i feel the need to share this with you. why? i don't know. why in this particular thread... i honestly don't know. I'm sorry if I bore you, or am posting in the wrong spot, but if either is true; would someone please PM me, I don't want to do wrong by a community that has helped me so much.
 
A box of Endone would make me mildly less depressed. I certainly wouldn't jizz over it - figuratively speaking of course!
 
Yeah, hence not worrying about calling to track it down. And I know what you mean opi8, but when it's the only thing that gives me relief, i am now faced with just under a week of pain, except for when i can find a pharmacy i haven't been to in a while, to get some pan xtra. there is no more tramadol in the cabinet. can anyone recommend anything to help me through by any chance? i've got under a week, and about 50 valiums.
 
Yeah, hence not worrying about calling to track it down. And I know what you mean opi8, but when it's the only thing that gives me relief, i am now faced with just under a week of pain, except for when i can find a pharmacy i haven't been to in a while, to get some pan xtra. there is no more tramadol in the cabinet. can anyone recommend anything to help me through by any chance? i've got under a week, and about 50 valiums.

This might seem hypocritical given that I've just kicked the habit - but have you tried poppy seed tea? I've heard of people using it for pain relief because it is readily available and lasts longer than most extended release pharmaceuticals.

Obviously you should do your own independent research - but it is just a thought.
 
If you're only taking endone, then CWE codeine should be able to replace it, especially if you potentiate with DXM.
 
This might seem hypocritical given that I've just kicked the habit - but have you tried poppy seed tea? I've heard of people using it for pain relief because it is readily available and lasts longer than most extended release pharmaceuticals.

Obviously you should do your own independent research - but it is just a thought.

cheers CF. I appreciate the thought, but after even 15 minutes of research about experiences; i don't think i'm prepared to take the risk of the nausea etc. And after what i've seen in less than fifteen minutes, even if the positive side won out, i don't think i could handle the 1-2 hour wait for relief.

If you're only taking endone, then CWE codeine should be able to replace it, especially if you potentiate with DXM.

I think this is the one i'm going to have to look into a bit more, CI. thanks again for all your help folks. very much appreciated.
 
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heroin would have to be 1000x better than codeine or oxy no? And i dont have an addictive personality i've been able to use many drugs very infrequently
 
^ I don't reckon. Smack's just good because it's strong and at a certain tolerance level adding that on top of everything else is the only thing that gets you where you want to be. I'm sure after awhile even smack can't get you there. I prefer the effects of opium, smack fucks my head but nothing gives me the body euphoria like opium.
 
heroin would have to be 1000x better than codeine or oxy no? And i dont have an addictive personality i've been able to use many drugs very infrequently

IV mg for mg heroin is something like 2x stronger than morphine (10 times stronger than codeine I think) and 1.5 times stronger than oxycodone. Not 1000 times.

As an IV user of all three, I find that nothing beats the heroin rush, however with the low purity levels that I get, at least less than 50% and probably much lower, I find I need to spend more on smack to get the same high from morphine or oxy, even with their bullshit prices over here. That said, if I had a choice between the three, I'd always choose heroin. If I can afford enough to really get a taste, then it trumps all over opiods I've had. If I'm really broke and sick, Oxy is more value for money, but that's only to make me feel 'well'. Another caveat is that I'm on methadone and my tolerance is fucked for a variety of reasons and I need to spend a lot of money no matter what opiod I choose to use if I ever want to feel "good", and not just "not sick".
 
heroin would have to be 1000x better than codeine or oxy no? And i dont have an addictive personality i've been able to use many drugs very infrequently
I don't use needles so can't help in that sence but regularly use oc oxys and find I hang for them more often than not, I've used H when I struggle finding oc's but I find oc's are way better. This is probably due to the fact I smoke them and most H in aus is cut too hard.
I've just recently started snorting and eating oc's for a harder hit but I still try and smoke one or two. I think this is because I'm more addicted to smoking the oc rather than it's full effect
 
yeah i've only ever eaten oxys, but compared to street gear (snorted) i find oxys more euphoric and make me a lot less nauseous. more itchy but i like itching haha
 
Smack's just good because it's strong and at a certain tolerance level adding that on top of everything else is the only thing that gets you where you want to be. I'm sure after awhile even smack can't get you there. I prefer the effects of opium

Absolutely agree with you there, Footsy.

All things considered, I don't think anything beats a nice oral dose of quality opium. No rush, but a slow building and insanely long lasting high which works on every level imaginable. The best opium I've had had a totally unique, very subtle but sublimely beautiful psychedelic quality about it. And nothing else can simultaneously be so strong yet so subtle.

It's the ultimate negation. That's what it feels like to me compared to other substances which add something on top of your existing state. Rather, opium removes everything that weighs you down so that you feel like this is exactly they way you're really meant to feel. A taste of enlightenment perhaps?

I find with H or Oxy (as nice as those can be) there's always a fleeting, exaggerated euphoria, but in the back of my mind a doubt is there - the knowledge that this is short lived and I'll be chasing this feeling very soon. That's enough in itself to reduce the enjoyment. With oral dosing of opium, it's the slow build up - the multi-tiered ascension that keeps rising and rising and then gives way to a lengthy peak that gives you time to settle into that world of comfort and serenity long enough to truly forget your troubles and/or pain.

Bit of a tangent here, but: How much better off would society be if nature wasn't prohibited? I mean, if people were allowed to cultivate any plant or fungus for their own use, and didn't feel so tempted to chase over-powered, refined hard drugs. Chewing coca leaf instead of cocaine. Home grown cannabis instead of those bloody synthetics or genetically engineered super hydro strains. Opium instead of heroin. Cacti and/or shrooms instead of NBOMes.

Ahhhh.... <sighs with wary cynicism>
 
@halif

just lately i was thinking of growing opium because the cost of a full time heroin addiction (i've spent in 2 months twice the annual average wage) was driving me bankrupt but then when I heard how insanely addictive it is it got me wondering whether i should just continue with my bupe taper (i'm down to 0.5 of a milligram at the moment).

so is opium anymore addictive then heroin?
 
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Oh, opium is addictive as all get out. It's a deep substance that can haunt you long after you've got over any physical withdrawals.

The withdrawals from a moderate to heavy opium habit are severe and very long lasting. The post acute phase is much longer still. But there's something more than that. There's the memory of how nice it is, and that temptation calls to you.

Chugs, opium (be it actual opium, or even pod tea, and to a much lesser extent, poppy seed tea) will give you an addiction which goes your very core.

Continue with your taper. Sometimes I think I shouldn't wax lyrical in my posts about how great a certain substance is, because while every word I said is truth (for me), I would never recommend someone try an opiate. I wouldn't want to be linked to a person going down a road which could be a path they spend the rest of their life on.
 
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All things considered, I don't think anything beats a nice oral dose of quality opium. No rush, but a slow building and insanely long lasting high which works on every level imaginable. The best opium I've had had a totally unique, very subtle but sublimely beautiful psychedelic quality about it. And nothing else can simultaneously be so strong yet so subtle.

It's romantic - and I only had three or so real opium experiences in my life.

I'm not sure if you've read much by Samuel Taylor Coleridge but he spent most of his life using opium and it translates a lot into his work. Chances are you've read Kubla Khan which is one of his better known poems - apparently written after a particular magical opium experience.

He is one of my favourites.
 
well to all the kids out there dont do what i did. Dont mix dxm with an maoi. I know this but i have a fucked up thing about pushing my body to its limits. So what you ppl are saying is try opium instead? Or stick to something light like codeine? Thing is its not strong anymore built tolerance. I need something to chill out with later tonight why do our bodies develop tolerance? Its crap oh well i guess another drive to the old drug store is in order
 
So what you ppl are saying is try opium instead?

Definitely not saying that. I expressed my fondness of it, but also said I would never suggest anybody try it to replace something else.

Additionally, real opium is not easy to come across. By 'real', I mean raw latex ONLY which has been collected from the pods of a poppy plant and then filtered and thoroughly dehydrated to remove excess vegetable materials and moisture. The result is a very light weight, brown (sometimes very dark, sometimes more amber-like) substance which is stupidly powerful by weight.

Poppy pod "putty" does not count as "real" opium as I am describing it. It's still good and plenty strong, but far less potent by weight and tends to carry more side-effects due to the presence of alkaloids and vegetable fats which are reduced/removed during proper filtering of the real stuff.

A few years back, I was lucky to get hold of some top notch stuff. I was curious as to its subjective strength, so I put it on a milligram scale - then swallowed it.

It clocked in at under 200mg, and was probably a tad smaller than a pea - and I got so high that I couldn't believe it was possible for what could be called a herbal extract to be that potent. The material was made entirely from home grown Tasmanian poppies. Those things are incredibly potent. After swallowing the little speck of opium I went about my business keeping an eye on the clock. After 40 minutes I was feeling something pretty good, but was a tiny bit disappointed because I was hoping for something really special. Boy, did I jump the gun on that one!!

At 90 minutes I was about as stoned from opiates as I've ever been in my life, and to my amazement the effects continued to increase in intensity until the three hour mark after ingestion. I then enjoyed a peak which was really a plateau - it reached this incredible state of wellbeing and what I would call true euphoria, and just sat at that level of intensity for around five hours before slowly, slowly winding down into a peaceful sleepiness that lasted another eight hours, had an amazing sleep, and then was very lethargic but in a good mood for the entire next day.

I love pod tea as well, but it doesn't touch pure opium. That stuff's in another league. Trying to reach that kind of zen level with pod tea, I get nauseous and have uncomfortable physical side-effects, well before I can get up to the clouds. Pod tea just has a lot of plant material in it which doesn't agree with the stomach, and unless you've got a MEGA tolerance specifically to pod tea, then you can get very sick and spoil any enjoyment by drinking too much.

Again, I can't help but reminisce and rave about opium, and I feel ambivalent about writing this way. On the one hand, I honestly think that the natural product is an incredible gift to humanity which has been repressed. However, I do NOT advocate that everyone goes out and tries to find opium, because you're opening yourself up to getting ripped off if you try to buy it from a dealer, and you're taking a substantial risk if you try growing enough to make the kind of gear I was describing above. And, of course, it has an unrivalled depth of addiction, IMO.

Years ago I was a weekend user of codeine. I tried poppy seed tea and didn't like it - made me feel sick. I was happy enough with codine to be honest. After the blessing/curse of getting that opium on a number of occasions back to back, I went from having a light recreational habit to having a full blown opiate addiction which is still with me to this day.

Opium is one of those things were people are tempted and say "I'll just try it once, so I know what it's like". Heroin, also. You won't get addicted to either of those if you use them ONCE. But the thing is, if you enjoy it... really, really enjoy it. Do you think you'd be also to say "well, never gonna do that again. I've had my fun. Now I'll just settle down to the rest of my life".
 
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