Heroin The nature of the IV heroin

[burn out]

I would like to begin a discussion on the rush when you inject heroin. One thing I have come to believe about the rush is that it is far less dose dependent than the actual high. For example, let's say I need to inject 120 mg of heroin to nice, euphoric high. If I inject only 30 mg I won't get much of a high at all. However, I will still get a rush when I inject it. Not as strong a rush as if I injected 120 mg but a rush none the less. I find that if I inject 60-70 mg I actually get a pretty intense rush even though I don't get particularly high afterward. If I inject a very large amount of heroin, then I tend to dislike the rush. It is overly intense and causing me to become extremely itchy and the skin on my face hurts.

So this is actually a good thing because it has helped me to curb my use of heroin. Back when I used to only sniff heroin, a small dose would never really satisfy me because it wouldn't get me high, not even for a second. However, when IV use, I can still look forward to taking a small dose because I will get a rush from it even if the high that follows is severely lacking. As long as I have something like a rush to look forward to, just one moment of intensely good feeling, that is enough to satisfy my addiction, at least in part. And so, by focusing on the rush instead of on getting high, I have successfully reduced my usage of heroin significantly. It even helps discourage me from taking very large doses because as I said, I find the rush to be unpleasant if I inject too much at once. This is the exact opposite of sniffing, where the more the merrier rule would generally apply.

So does anyone agree with me on this? Does anyone know why the dose response curve for the rush is different than it is for the other effects? Does anyone have any more knowledge/trivia about heroin rush's they would like to share with us? I am also curious how the heroin rush compares to a morphine rush, if there is anyone with experience who would like to chime in. Thanks.

edit: I meant for this thread to be titled "the nature of the IV heroin rush". I apologize, I suffer from cognitive impairment and memory problems resulting from protracted benzo withdrawal which causes me to sometimes omit words. If a mod could change it, that would be great.

 

[ms4104]

I would like to begin a discussion on the rush when you inject heroin. One thing I have come to believe about the rush is that it is far less dose dependent than the actual high. For example, let's say I need to inject 120 mg of heroin to nice, euphoric high. If I inject only 30 mg I won't get much of a high at all. However, I will still get a rush when I inject it. Not as strong a rush as if I injected 120 mg but a rush none the less. I find that if I inject 60-70 mg I actually get a pretty intense rush even though I don't get particularly high afterward. If I inject a very large amount of heroin, then I tend to dislike the rush. It is overly intense and causing me to become extremely itchy and the skin on my face hurts.

So this is actually a good thing because it has helped me to curb my use of heroin. Back when I used to only sniff heroin, a small dose would never really satisfy me because it wouldn't get me high, not even for a second. However, when IV use, I can still look forward to taking a small dose because I will get a rush from it even if the high that follows is severely lacking. As long as I have something like a rush to look forward to, just one moment of intensely good feeling, that is enough to satisfy my addiction, at least in part. And so, by focusing on the rush instead of on getting high, I have successfully reduced my usage of heroin significantly. It even helps discourage me from taking very large doses because as I said, I find the rush to be unpleasant if I inject too much at once. This is the exact opposite of sniffing, where the more the merrier rule would generally apply.

So does anyone agree with me on this? Does anyone know why the dose response curve for the rush is different than it is for the other effects? Does anyone have any more knowledge/trivia about heroin rush's they would like to share with us? I am also curious how the heroin rush compares to a morphine rush, if there is anyone with experience who would like to chime in. Thanks.

edit: I meant for this thread to be titled "the nature of the IV heroin rush". I apologize, I suffer from cognitive impairment and memory problems resulting from protracted benzo withdrawal which causes me to sometimes omit words. If a mod could change it, that would be great.

I agree 100%!!@ For real I know exactly what you mean. I get a rush no matter what but I TOTALLY know that uncomfortable rush. I'll get it and my like scalp, palms, and balls itch like so hard it hurts for a few seconds its really weird..almost unpleasant (still good though lol). I actually prefer less of a rush too.

Also, since I started shooting a few years back I use much less STILL. I used to sniff 4-5 bags at a time..now I shoot 1 at a time no more than 2 at a time at MOST. And this has been goin on for a while. Not only that but I get like 3x as high too as I used to sniffing that fuckin junk. And seriously.. if you use new pins evedry time and are smart about it shootings not that bad. Honestly I am better off now than I used to be.. I can control my money and shit

 

[phr]

IME, the rush has always been dependent on how much I dosed(it has to be enough to counteract tolerance and quality) and when my last rush was.

I don't think I've ever fet a "bad" rush. I've had experiences where I did too much, and got sick or OD'ed, but the rush was just as pleasurable, but stronger. The rush wasn't what fucked things up in those situations.

 

[ms4104]

Well let me be clear I never had a bad rush either . When it's real intense from dope I just get like a burst of itchyness which is uncomfortable but goes away in like 30-40 seconds.

IMO a coke rush is even better than a dope rush.. I am just a heroin user for a long time so thats usually what I am doing. But the rush from IV coke is fucking pure bliss it's like youve died and gone to orgasm heaven. And I love the auditory like bending and echoing you get.

Speedbnalls are the best of both worlds but its crazy...I have no coke connects it blows, but I have a lot of fire dope connects which is what really matters lol.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Most people are going to start comparing different IV drug rushes... anyways, IV heroin wasn't that great of a rush compared to snorting it for me, not enough to not go back to snorting it after a half dozen shots of IV heroin.

If I were to relapse (which I know I won't do since I don't want to, and powder heroin isn't easily accessible in California) I'd IV heroin... don't get me wrong... but I preferred snorting it when I was an addict to heroin.

 

[TwistedReality]

Also, since I started shooting a few years back I use much less STILL. I used to sniff 4-5 bags at a time..now I shoot 1 at a time no more than 2 at a time at MOST. And this has been goin on for a while. Not only that but I get like 3x as high too as I used to sniffing that fuckin junk. And seriously.. if you use new pins evedry time and are smart about it shootings not that bad. Honestly I am better off now than I used to be.. I can control my money and shit

No offense, but most addicts have started out having it "under control" and it gets out of hand pretty quickly..almost nobody can keep IV heroin under control forever.

 

[ms4104]

I am only comparing how your tolerance increases snorting vs shooting and the money aspect.. beleive me I know better than anyone that things get outta hand quickly. i was outta hand LONG before i ever picked up a needle. LONG LONG LONG before. the needle hasnt effected that. i was outta hand sniffing and id still be outta hand wether i sniff or shoot. its all or nothin fo rme

but my point was that the needle didnt really change things. I think most people are already long gone before pickin up the needle.. for some people it makes things worse like if they start iving coke..it totally changes the drug. but snorting vs iv heroin aint that different,..,

 

[SUB SHOOTER 2010]

I totally beg to differ with that last statement. Ive met countless people that in your definition "have it under control" while they are just snorting, myself for example. When most people pick up that needle its spins out of control rapidly. If you go to any drug counselor(or most people on here for that matter) and ask him if there's any difference in people that snort heroin and people that shoot heroin I guarantee you his answer would be hell yes. Both are bad and very addicting don't get me wrong but when you start poking its a whole new ball game. Statistics would beg to differ also. The rates of relapse for IV heroin users is higher than other ROAs.

Not to mention a comment like that would have some people that are just snorters on here think that they might be able to "control it" the same way if they start shooting.

 

[Tommyboy]

I have heard people say that they don't feel much of a difference in the rush of say 4 or 8mgs of hydromorphone. I know that it is different than heroin, but I just wanted to point out that the rush is said to feel pretty identical when taking various doses of the same drug, making it a waste for some people to take a higher dose, in hopes of experiencing a significantly better rush.

I am only comparing how your tolerance increases snorting vs shooting and the money aspect.. beleive me I know better than anyone that things get outta hand quickly. i was outta hand LONG before i ever picked up a needle. LONG LONG LONG before. the needle hasnt effected that. i was outta hand sniffing and id still be outta hand wether i sniff or shoot. its all or nothin fo rme

but my point was that the needle didnt really change things. I think most people are already long gone before pickin up the needle.. for some people it makes things worse like if they start iving coke..it totally changes the drug. but snorting vs iv heroin aint that different,..,

I totally beg to differ with that last statement. Ive met countless people that in your definition "have it under control" while they are just snorting, myself for example. When most people pick up that needle its spins out of control rapidly. If you go to any drug counselor(or most people on here for that matter) and ask him if there's any difference in people that snort heroin and people that shoot heroin I guarantee you his answer would be hell yes. Both are bad and very addicting don't get me wrong but when you start poking its a whole new ball game. Statistics would beg to differ also. The rates of relapse for IV heroin users is higher than other ROAs.

Not to mention a comment like that would have some people that are just snorters on here think that they might be able to "control it" the same if they start shooting.

There are going to be people at both ends of the spectrum, some of which had already reached their "rock bottom" before switching to the needle, and others that were brought to their "rock bottom" due to making that switch.

I don't think that ms4104 was trying to minimize the severity of IV use by saying that he hasn't been much worse off after making the switch, but I also think that you have a legitimate concern in thinking that others may read his post as meaning that IV use won't make things spiral out of control, which is rarely the case.

On the other hand, it's important that people don't minimize the severity of sniffing heroin, by thinking "at least I'm not shooting it." Both are dangerous in their own right, and people need to respect heroin for what it is.

 

[burn out]

^ exactly what I was trying to say. I dont find that increasing the dose increases the rush in a linear fashion. You can get a good rush without taking a high dose and taking more won't increase the rush proportionately. This is a good thing because (for me anyway) it discourages injecting larger doses, which is obviously a lot less risky in terms of overdose.

 

[XTCAKE]

Also, since I started shooting a few years back I use much less STILL. I used to sniff 4-5 bags at a time..now I shoot 1 at a time no more than 2 at a time at MOST. And this has been goin on for a while. Not only that but I get like 3x as high too as I used to sniffing that fuckin junk. And seriously.. if you use new pins evedry time and are smart about it shootings not that bad. Honestly I am better off now than I used to be.. I can control my money and shit

That last line. You" can" control your "money and shit" NOW.
I used to be able to do that, too.

 

[ms4104]

Well I take that back.. I can't really control my money. But I do keep a steady habit week to week.. I just end up spending either very close to a majority of my paycheck on dope, or I neglect stuff like bills and let them pile up then have to like pay back bills one month.

I;ve been addicted to dope for a long time.. and for the past years i've been doing the same thing..chipping using 1-3 days a week. I do 1 or 2 bag shots.. generally like a bundle a day when I use. I used to be on a downward spiral.. like the amount I was using just kep tincreasing and increasing until I was doing astronomical amounts of oxy. I don't get in near as much trouble as I used to money/dose wise.. Maybe it's because I am getting older..but everything is slowing down. Actually for the past for months Ive been using more like a 3 day block every 2 weeks. But it goes in cycles.. and given moment something coudl go wrong in ym life and I am sure i'd revert back to wahtever.

And I can't deny dope still makes a huge dent in my finances.. I can't help but think what life woudl be like if I put those thousands a year toward a different peice of the pie. For me it's all or nothing.. I really need to quit dope 100% all together to be successful with it and ultimately with life. Chipping doesn't do shit.. the addiction is sstill there hard core.