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The most spiritual psychedelic?

I doubt anyone would agree but dxm sure enlightened me. the way i see it is my brains like a file cabinet and when i use it, it makes me organize. I feel like it makes one almost like tofu. You can leave your realm and look at your fears etc. without care.
 
so far lsd and mushrooms have been the most spiritual/ complex for me, mushrooms can be very rewarding in the right setting atleast ime can also find some really potent ones which i prefer. i need to try more dmt i know i just have 1 25mg vaped session.

mushrooms with a maoi from what i have gathered can be very spiritual like aswel but you have to be really carful it can be alot more intense than anticipated.

also have heard 4 aco dmt is good in that area this is on my to do list, within the next month hopefully.
 
I am not sure about DXM. I have done quite a lot of methoxetamine during the last year and the sessions did nothing to me constructively, just recreationally. Was a daaaymn fun substance to play around with, though. I miss it, but really, drugs do me more harm than good now than it used to, and therefor I want to restrict my drug usage to the truly useful ones. I'm afriad I might end up just having fun on DXM, so it's not an option.

Thinking about this subject after all the info I gathered thanks to you guys, I may as well stick to either 4-ACO-DMT or 5-MEO-DMT. If I get my hands on some more mushies, I might do it at the same time. Will sure as hell remember to be prepared this time, too.
 
So it seems like I don't have courage enough to quit the antipsychotic for the psychedelics. I noticed today after submitting my previous post, that things started to get odd. Hard to explain, but it was as if the world was focused on me in a bad way. Really bad. Even a good friend of mine started acting spooky and talked about stuff I didn't like constantly, even if I told him to stop acting so out of it.

Just... weird. I had no idea psychosis was this real. Its as if were all living in an illusion.
 
I'm probably going to catch some flak for this, but: dextromethorphan. Just because it's available everywhere in the form of a cough suppressant doesn't mean it's a bad drug. You might want to start with small doses (90-120mg) before delving too deep.

I'm going to have to second that. DXM can be an amazing spiritual and introspective experience. Some of my most meaningful trips and ones that have had a lasting impression on me were with DXM. Mushrooms can also be insanely spiritual. I have yet to have a good dose of LSD and have never done Mescaline, DMT, or 5-MeO-DMT but they all sound like good candidates.
 
Although mushies barely had any mental, visual or tactile effects while on Abilify, I might give 5-MEO-DMT a go anyways. I'm thinking maybe it will be able to penetrate that 5-HT "barrier" better than psilocybin, because its a stronger psychedelic. I'm not sure if this is how it works, though. Anyone that can give me some input regarding that?
 
5x Salvia (nothing more) will get you where you need to go. I have had some of the most amazing and spiritual experiences of my life on Salvia. I think it is very underrated.
 
So it seems like I don't have courage enough to quit the antipsychotic for the psychedelics. I noticed today after submitting my previous post, that things started to get odd. Hard to explain, but it was as if the world was focused on me in a bad way. Really bad. Even a good friend of mine started acting spooky and talked about stuff I didn't like constantly, even if I told him to stop acting so out of it.

Just... weird. I had no idea psychosis was this real. Its as if were all living in an illusion.

Oh no! That's a setback :( I've been in that state myself, numerous times. Taking a psychedelic (cannabis in particular) was never a good idea whilst in that state. Maybe you should get some gabapentin or pregabalin, and see how that goes toward making you feel better. After you're feeling well enough, maybe you can try again :)
 
mushrooms with a maoi from what i have gathered can be very spiritual like aswel but you have to be really carful it can be alot more intense than anticipated.
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What an MAOI does to mushrooms is change the trip from a psilocybin trip to an oral DMT trip.
 
Oh no! That's a setback :( I've been in that state myself, numerous times. Taking a psychedelic (cannabis in particular) was never a good idea whilst in that state. Maybe you should get some gabapentin or pregabalin, and see how that goes toward making you feel better. After you're feeling well enough, maybe you can try again :)

Well, the odd thing is that if I take drugs that have recreational value, it makes my "psychosis" worse. Same thing if I slack around, treat people badly or do bad deeds... I think something is telling me "No, don't quit the antipsychotic. You are supposed to take it. If you don't take it, then you will be punished." Really, I am not sure if the cause had anything to do with my brain chemistry. More like some higher entity speaking to me. Now if you believe in that kind of stuff I have no idea, but I do at least...

It is really a shame I'm not allowed to quit the abilify, because I am certain that the DMT or the analogues are super good to me. It'd be a major shortcut to enlightenment, but I guess I'll rely on meditating now. Wish I could meditate in a relaxed state, though, but that seems so impossible.
 
What an MAOI does to mushrooms is change the trip from a psilocybin trip to an oral DMT trip.

hello ismene, psilohuasca is what i thank its called but i was curious have you got to try this out at all? if so i would love to hear about what you thought about it? from what i have gathered your pretty knowledgble so i would like to get your take on it if youve had some experiences with psilohuasca
 
I guarantee you that 4-HO-MET combined with JWH-250 is what you are searching for.
 
Well, the odd thing is that if I take drugs that have recreational value, it makes my "psychosis" worse. Same thing if I slack around, treat people badly or do bad deeds...

Those last two are sure to make your psychosis worse, probably because you have a conscience ;)

I think something is telling me "No, don't quit the antipsychotic. You are supposed to take it. If you don't take it, then you will be punished." Really, I am not sure if the cause had anything to do with my brain chemistry. More like some higher entity speaking to me. Now if you believe in that kind of stuff I have no idea, but I do at least...

Oh yes, I do believe. I'm just very careful about which sources I believe in. It could be a higher power, or just my own mind for all I know. Generally, I try to use the Golden Rule to judge my behavior. If what I'm doing isn't out of love for my fellow human, then the issue becomes a great conflict within myself that needs to be corrected. I don't always succeed in doing what is right, but eventually do, because otherwise that division will tear me apart until I choose a side. And I prefer the light side :)
 
Although mushies barely had any mental, visual or tactile effects while on Abilify, I might give 5-MEO-DMT a go anyways. I'm thinking maybe it will be able to penetrate that 5-HT "barrier" better than psilocybin, because its a stronger psychedelic. I'm not sure if this is how it works, though. Anyone that can give me some input regarding that?

No, it doesn't work like that. Even if you find a psychedelic with greater affinity for the 5-HT2a receptor than aripiprazole, it doesn't mean that the psychedelic makes the presence of the aripiprazole irrelevant. All it means is that the psychedelic gets greater chance and time at those receptors, but the ariprazole is still exerting effects and modulating the neurons to a degree. Not to mention the effects at the dopamine receptors, which also modulate the whole experience.

This will completely distort the effect of the psychedelic (if you manage to take a high enough dose to break through the aripiprazole). If you have only ever taken psychedelics whilst on aripiprazole, then I'm afraid you have no idea what the psychedelic experience is all about. Yet.

Well, the odd thing is that if I take drugs that have recreational value, it makes my "psychosis" worse. Same thing if I slack around, treat people badly or do bad deeds... I think something is telling me "No, don't quit the antipsychotic. You are supposed to take it. If you don't take it, then you will be punished." Really, I am not sure if the cause had anything to do with my brain chemistry. More like some higher entity speaking to me. Now if you believe in that kind of stuff I have no idea, but I do at least...

No, this is just your thoughts and your ego. It really is. Your subconscious is using such rationalizations in order to stay in the comfort zone of the aripiprazole. Think about it rationally: aripiprazole - and all synthetic antipsychotics - are very recent inventions of man. There was never any packets of abilify hanging off trees in the jungle for tribespeople to use millenia ago when they got scared.

I know it can be terrifying coming off of psychiatric medications. I was a 10 year benzo addict, taking up to 100mg of diazepam every day. I quit cold-turkey and went through utter hell. Complete delerium tremens. Pain and suffering beyond description was experienced. But it had to be done. I also quit an 8 year dependence on venlafaxine later on, which my brain is still healing from (although the worst is over).

I'm sorry, but the only way out is through. You just need to batten down the hatches, stay centered, and get though it, without getting tossed back in to the revolving door of psychiatric care by meddling do-gooders. You won't get better as long as you are relying upon these things, unfortunate as it may be. The despair you feel is largely as a result of a deep knowing that it is not sustainable to stay on such medications and in the so-called "care" of the psychiatric institution, because it will never bring you close to happiness.

Luckily, I could still trip whilst on benzos, and I was able to see a way out of it. But on antipsychotics, you can't even trip properly in order to get those insights that would give you the kick up the arse to quit depending on meds. It will require an act of faith. I would suggest going to a 'natural hygeine' doctor to find out the best course of action, or maybe start with a naturopath or a chinese or ayurvedic medicine practitioner. These folks seem to know a whole lot more than western medicine about re-discovering your centre through wellness. Once you have come off the abilify and reached a reasonable level of homeostasis through more healthy living, then you can think about tripping.

Of course, you're probably going to get paranoid and think that posts like mine are trying to deceive you or something. But you must hold on to your centre and realize that these are just thoughts, no matter how real they all seem. There is no "higher power" telling you what to do. Please remember this.

Psychedelics will show you that there is no such thing as wasting your life, because there are no true values or standards, and time is eternal. But how long do you want to spend numb to the awesome beauty around you. If there was a global natural disaster and the psychiatric institution (and it's tools of choice) completely crumbled tomorrw, you would be forced to deal with existence without aripiprazole. So why wait? It takes a lot of inner strength and willpower, but you absolutely can be free of the shackles of that institution, and you can turn your life around to the point where you can't even believe you ended up in that situation in the first place.

BottleInABottle said:
It is really a shame I'm not allowed to quit the abilify

Yes you are. No one can tell you what you are or are not allowed to do. You may think that the doctors know what is best for you, but they don't. On the contrary, you (and others taking this and similar so-called "medicines") are just their guinea pigs which they can test their new money-making creations on.

Just a couple more points related to a few things you said in your post:

BottleInABottle said:
It'd be a major shortcut to enlightenment

There is no permanent enlightenment. That is a fool's pursuit, whther you are trying to do it via mediation or psychedelics. You can achieve a temporary state of transcendence, sure. And you can defnitely bring back something each time to increase your understanding and thus happiness. But achieving permanent nirvana or buddhahood whilst you are a living and breathing human being is simply a fantasy. These two things (survival as a living human biological organism, and pure permanent nirvana) are utterly incompatible.

BottleInABottle said:
but I guess I'll rely on meditating now. Wish I could meditate in a relaxed state, though, but that seems so impossible.

Trying to meditate whilst you are on aripiprazole is going to be like trying to learn how to balance properly on a bicycle by riding a tricycle. It's a good thing to start meditating indeed, but you won't properly understand the process of biofeedback until you come off the "medication".
 
Those last two are sure to make your psychosis worse, probably because you have a conscience ;)



Oh yes, I do believe. I'm just very careful about which sources I believe in. It could be a higher power, or just my own mind for all I know. Generally, I try to use the Golden Rule to judge my behavior. If what I'm doing isn't out of love for my fellow human, then the issue becomes a great conflict within myself that needs to be corrected. I don't always succeed in doing what is right, but eventually do, because otherwise that division will tear me apart until I choose a side. And I prefer the light side :)

I wish I could hold my stance, but it shifts rapidly. Sometimes I act like a total asshole and sometimes I am just overflowing with love that leaks out to the people. I'm not sure if borderline has anything to do with it, but it may be related.

Massive input!

Whoa, thanks for such a well written reply. I can't really say I agree with you about everything you said, but a lot of it pretty much makes sense.

But I've thought about the matter quite deeply today, and my preliminary conclusion is that I'll simply stick with the Abilify. Partly because I'm a bit scared, and partly because my previous doc who prescribed me it was an extremely good one. He's really not the kind who lets himself be a slave of our corrupted government, rather fights it, and is well informed about medication that really does good to peoples mental health.
 
hello ismene, psilohuasca is what i thank its called but i was curious have you got to try this out at all?

Does a dog lick it's own balls? ;)

Yeah, I was a big fan of oral DMT but found the nausea a little hard to handle so I gave mushrooms and moclobemide a try. I couldn't tell the difference between oral DMT and mushrooms and moclobemide - same visuals, same "presence" unique to DMT and a few added bonus features like zero nausea and the trip lasts an hour or two longer. It's a once in a lifetime experience - pretty much the king of psychedelic experiences. Highly recomended.
 
LSD is what made me decide that I need to get over my opioid/heroin addiction. I was in withdrawals, but at the same time the epiphany was beautiful and visuals filled my sight.

Mushrooms can also be very spirit and some life-changing realizations can come to mind, depending on the trip. As others have said, it has a much more "organic" feel to it.

Empathogens can be very, very spiritual.
 
1. 5-meo-dmt
2. salvia
3. Extremely high dose of DOC
4. DMT
6. aMT
7. 2c-e + mxe
8. DPT
9. 2c+t+2 + 2c-i + DPT (smaller amount)
 
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