The most spiritual psychedelic?

[BottleInABottle]

I am currently on the look for a psychedelic that has most potential for a spiritually enlightening, alternatively PTSD loosening experience. I've gone through quite a lot in my life, which has caused my mind to get trapped, and that, people, I'm getting veeery sick of. Having "tried" numerous methods for healing myself, although not properly even once as I can't believe in myself, it's getting hopeless. All I believe in is the negative things, like "this won't work". I don't know why I lack motivation to get myself fixed up, but I've been a chronic slacker ever since born, and the concerta Im getting is not making things any better sadly.

So.. I've pretty much lost all hope and am pretty desperate for a solution here. I have high belief in that some kind of hallucinogen will rescue me from this crap, but I need advice from knowledgeable people here on bluelight. I've only tried AMT, shrooms and 4-Ho-dipt, the latter being quite potent but nightmareish while the rest didn't give me a lot of visuals or mental effects, but I was on abilify at the time taking them.

And finally here comes the question. Which psychedelic would you recommend me if I want the most spiritually enlightening experience, besides that giving me a whole new perspective on life.

Many thanks in advance

 

[nAON]

Dear PD, love from BDD.

 

[BottleInABottle]

Dear PD, love from BDD.

Whoopies, sorry about the misplaced post. Should've thought more clearly.

Btw, I'm glad to see you again, Naon I used to roam your chat room @ MSN a long time ago. Had no idea you were modding this place, so it came as a surprise to me.

 

[biffhenderson]

The classics, LSD, magic mushrooms, sacred cactus, and the now very trendy Ayahuasca. If you are adventurous and a little brave, DMT and 5-Meo-DMT. But what you are trying to accomplish will depend more on you than the drug. I suggest reading up about Ayahuasca (which I have never done) and learning as much as you can about the traditional way the drug is administered in a group setting by a Shaman and the mindset that the participants bring to the experience. Search terms: ayahuasca, shamanic wisdom, entheogens and so on. There's a podcast called "Entheogenic Evolution" by one of these west coast neo-shaman guys that may give you some ideas.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

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[Condumbpope]

Mushrooms + DMT combination has been the most psychologically beneficial experience in my opinion, and the least likely to give you a bad experience compared to things like LSD and Mescaline.

Helped anxiety and depression.

 

[BottleInABottle]

Yeah I've heard MDMA is pretty good as a let-go-of drug for PTSD sufferers. Im just fearing that the antipsychos Im taking right now will block all the good effects of MDMA, as its pretty hardcore on serotonin receptors, right?

And regarding my hopes they may be too high, but at least I'm expecting some kind of change in my views; like the realization of what I am doing right now with life is quite a waste. That's at least what I think I'm doing right now, but I need some insight so I can experience that feeling in color. Once that is accomplished, maybe I will get my feet moving again so I can reach my goals. But you are right, psychedelics alone probably won't cleanse me totally from all the stains. Just thinking it may be the "big bang" that will set me in motion, so I may as well do DMT alone or with mushrooms.

I'm not sure if I can try DMT any soon though, as that's pretty hard to get a hold of in my country. By the way, what's so scary about it? If it's anything like 5-ho-mipt, then I'll probably... skip it... I truly had a nasty nasty experience with it once, worst being the thought of dying at any moment. Maybe I Just had too much, but what i went through made me develop a phobia for it.

 

[Incunabula]

Yeah I've heard MDMA is pretty good as a let-go-of drug for PTSD sufferers. I just dunno if the antipsychos Im taking right now will block out all the good effects of MDMA, as its pretty hardcore on serotonin receptors, right?

A lot of psychedelics have interactions with antidrepressants and anti psychotics. If you were going to take any psychedelic I'd first read up if there was known about any interactions with your meds.

 

[OZMANCOMETH]

Psilocybe cyanscens or 25-I NBOMe, 25-I did magic for me... happier than i have ever been.

 

[OZMANCOMETH]

oh and i take seroquel 50 mg. clonazepam, diazepam, i usually avoid benzodiazipines the day of, no reaction here other than it takes me 1.5 mg.s 25-i nbome..... slight tolerance

 

[Incunabula]

oh and i take seroquel 50 mg. clonazepam, diazepam, i usually avoid benzodiazipines the day of, no reaction here other than it takes me 1.5 mg.s 25-i nbome..... slight tolerance

Yeah, I'd say that IS a pretty serious interaction to know about. To avoid dissappoining trips (underdosing) or overdoses when you quit your meds.

 

[Foreigner]

Using the word "enlightenment" might apply too much of an expectation to something. I think it's good to go into a trip with an intention, but it's equally as important to be in an open state of mind to receive the teaching.

LSD has been powerful for me. If you go that route, I highly recommend setting up the proper environment. Use candles instead of room lighting. Use colourful blankets and tapestries instead of having drab walls. Have plants in the room, and even mineral stones if you have them. Play beautiful, varied music instead of having dead silence or music that will suck you in. Eat well before, make sure you're rested, and that you're in a decent state of mind (i.e. no stress from that day). I also recommend that you do this on a full moon, at night time. It will add immense energy to your trip. If you can even walk out and look at the full moon, it will reveal things to you.

I say all this because the kind of experience you're seeking requires some preparation, and because I recommend you take a higher dose of LSD, around 150-200ug or more. (You should know your own threshold and be willing to approach it or even slightly exceed it.) Make sure you have somewhere to lie down because in the beginning you won't be able to stand up. Have water nearby. Have food and snacks already made in your kitchen that you can just grab and eat without needing to think too much. Lighter snacks that are packed with electrolytes (like salty things) tend to help more than high calorie things, in my experience. Anything heavy or greasy will make you feel like shit.

The dose is high because it will need to be in order to experience not being you anymore. It will deconstruct you, and whatever issues come up. It will show you all of their components, down to the molecule. You'll see that underneath it all, there is only the universe, and oneness.

Have a trusted friend with you if possible. It's going to be a journey, and a good one. I would call this LSD as medicine, not recreation. I've tripped about 12 times at this dosing level, spread out over several years. The more rarely you do it this way, the better. Often will just fry you.

I realize my advice may seem unconventional, but I've done entheogens for many years now and doing it this way will ensure a top notch experience.

 

[iROLL22]

to answer your question: DMT!!!!! but MDMA really is showing great promise with helping the veterans coming back from the middle east, they are doing studies on MDMA as treatment for PTSD. but seriously nothing beats DMT when it comes to spirituality. DMT will launch into the afterlife, alternate universes, whatever you wanna call it.

 

[mecaib]

And regarding my hopes they may be too high, but at least I'm expecting some kind of change in my views; like the realization of what I am doing right now with life is quite a waste.

I'm probably going to catch some flak for this, but: dextromethorphan. Just because it's available everywhere in the form of a cough suppressant doesn't mean it's a bad drug. You might want to start with small doses (90-120mg) before delving too deep.

DXM can allow you to view your life objectively, if used in a quiet setting and without distractions. Aspects of yourself that you might normally ignore can be approached without excessive apprehension. Subconscious thoughts and beliefs are brought into the light. DXM dissolves and crystallizes mental constructs (not memories, but the machine you use to interact with reality), allowing you to choose just what is destroyed or built, all while looking at the whole thing logically. It's not always the most fun drug, but when taken with a euphoriant, can be the best experience you've have with any drug to date. DXM can also instill within you a positive drive to pursue greater things, though I must caution against frequent use, as such can be counterproductive.

You should, of course, make sure there are no interactions with any of the drugs you are currently taking

 

[TangerinO]

Mushrooms + DMT combination has been the most psychologically beneficial experience in my opinion, and the least likely to give you a bad experience compared to things like LSD and Mescaline.

Helped anxiety and depression.

It's so different for everyone. I think that's a dangerous assumption to say combining Mushies and DMT is less likely to give you a bad experience than LSD or Mesc, unless you're referring to using them as DMT combos and even then, combining DMT with nothing is shockingly intense. There's no guarantee that's going to be fun just that it's going to be very intense and hopefully enlightening.

Bottom line: Different for everyone. I think LSD has helped me the most personally and I seem to have somewhat similar issues to you, as well as a concerta prescription that doesn't work all that well for me.
Although DMT made me realise LSD was no longer working for me because I was over doing it, that one has a way to just shoot answers in to your brain. It's crazy.

 

[IamMe90]

OP, you will not be able to utilize any 5ht2a psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, DMT, mescaline, 2c-x, etc, while on antipsychotics - the effects will be completely diminished by the interaction.

 

[p0ly]

DMT, 4-AcO-DMT.

IMO

LSD can be pretty spiritual but i find it quite long lasting which can get really annoying sometimes.

 

[Dr3wb34r]

Actually, MAPS is conducting a study right now on the advantages of psychotherapy utilizing MDMA.
Seems right up your alley, check it out. If you're in that area, you should see if you can participate, it would help you and the community: http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/
Now personally, I find that the combination of MDMA and Psilocybin mushrooms is unparallelled in positive introspection and emotional healing, but as with any medicine, it is not permanent. It's within YOU that the changes will take place that make you into the person you want to be. Tripping will show you what you're doing wrong, why you're doing it, how it's holding your life back, they will help motivate you to make the changes you need to make, but it is up to you to take the advice of the plant teachers.

 

[Jakeperson]

Using the word "enlightenment" might apply too much of an expectation to something. I think it's good to go into a trip with an intention, but it's equally as important to be in an open state of mind to receive the teaching.

LSD has been powerful for me. If you go that route, I highly recommend setting up the proper environment. Use candles instead of room lighting. Use colourful blankets and tapestries instead of having drab walls. Have plants in the room, and even mineral stones if you have them. Play beautiful, varied music instead of having dead silence or music that will suck you in. Eat well before, make sure you're rested, and that you're in a decent state of mind (i.e. no stress from that day). I also recommend that you do this on a full moon, at night time. It will add immense energy to your trip. If you can even walk out and look at the full moon, it will reveal things to you.

I say all this because the kind of experience you're seeking requires some preparation, and because I recommend you take a higher dose of LSD, around 150-200ug or more. (You should know your own threshold and be willing to approach it or even slightly exceed it.) Make sure you have somewhere to lie down because in the beginning you won't be able to stand up. Have water nearby. Have food and snacks already made in your kitchen that you can just grab and eat without needing to think too much. Lighter snacks that are packed with electrolytes (like salty things) tend to help more than high calorie things, in my experience. Anything heavy or greasy will make you feel like shit.

The dose is high because it will need to be in order to experience not being you anymore. It will deconstruct you, and whatever issues come up. It will show you all of their components, down to the molecule. You'll see that underneath it all, there is only the universe, and oneness.

Have a trusted friend with you if possible. It's going to be a journey, and a good one. I would call this LSD as medicine, not recreation. I've tripped about 12 times at this dosing level, spread out over several years. The more rarely you do it this way, the better. Often will just fry you.

I realize my advice may seem unconventional, but I've done entheogens for many years now and doing it this way will ensure a top notch experience.

Don't just rely on high doses either and know your body and mind well. I know that for me 500ug doesn't even bring about the kind of de-construction Foreigner talks about.

 

[BottleInABottle]

I appreciate your input guys, and it seems pretty clear to me now what the choices are: LSD, DMT or any of the DMT anaologues, taken under the right circumstances. I'll make LSD and DMT exceptions because they are way too hard to come around over here in my place.

Sooo ya, I'll take a look at the analogues, thanks again.