The Misinformation Behind FDA’s Proposed Regulation Of E-Cigarettes

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Smoke Signals: The Misinformation Behind FDA’s Proposed Regulation Of E-Cigarettes

Tamara Tabo | 5/1/14 said:
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently proposed
new rules targeting electronic cigarettes. By its authority under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, FDA now regulates “tobacco products” — cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco. The proposed regulation would “deem” additional products within the scope of the statutory definition of “tobacco product.” FDA would deem electronic cigarettes to be tobacco products, even though e-cigs don’t contain tobacco leaves. The deeming regulation would give FDA the power to govern e-cigs’ manufacture, sale, and use, implementing age restrictions, mandating additional scientific review of products, and scrutinizing claims made by the makers of e-cigs.

The new regulations would prevent e-cigarette manufacturers from telling consumers that their products are a safer alternative than tobacco cigarettes. The deeming regulations would prohibit claiming that vaporized nicotine “presents a lower risk of tobacco-related disease or is less harmful than one or more commercially marketed tobacco products.” In fact, the new rules would prevent them from even advertising to the public that their “product or its smoke does not contain or is free of a substance,” even though e-cigs do not produce smoke and do not contain tobacco in any common-sense meaning of the word.

Banning this sort of claims is absurd: e-cigs lack the more than 4,000 chemicals, many of them carcinogenic, of combustible tobacco cigarettes. Electronic nicotine vaporizers need not be particularly healthy in order to be less unhealthy than traditional cigarettes.

This regulatory push is poisoned by a bevy of bad arguments. Most of the rhetoric consists of pure emotion on the part of anti-tobacco activists. Certain anti-tobacco and anti-smoking factions grow hysterical at the mere specter of smoking. Unfortunately, a more powerful lobby is also trying to squelch e-cigs . . . .

First, consider the common-sense reaction to the idea of deeming e-cigarettes a tobacco product even though they don’t contain obvious tobacco. If anything, e-cigs are essentially nicotine vaporizers. They consist of a small battery that warms a chamber filled with water, liquid nicotine, a vapor-producing agent, and flavoring.

Propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin produces the vapor. PG is “generally recognized as safe” by the Center for Disease Control when PG is used as a food preservative in products like ice cream and salad dressing. Some e-liquid manufacturers boast that their PG and VG is USP Grade and Kosher Certified. The flavoring used in reputable e-cigs may be artificial or natural, just like you’d expect from other food and beverage flavorings. There are suppliers that offer 100% organic versions.

So, how does a product like this count as a “tobacco product” according to FDA?

In a 2010 decision, Sottera, Inc. v. FDA, the D.C. Circuit ruled that FDA can regulate all products made or derived from tobacco under its “tobacco product” authority in the FDCA except products that are “marketed for therapeutic purposes.” Those latter products are regulated by FDA as drugs or devices.

Nicotine is an alkaloid extracted from plants in the nightshade family, including the tobacco plant. Since the nicotine compound is ultimately derived from tobacco, and e-cigs use liquid nicotine, FDA wants to deem them tobacco products.

Nicotine used in smoking cessation products like patches, gums and lozenges is also extracted from tobacco plants. Since even over-the-counter versions of those products are marketed for the therapeutic purpose of kicking smoking, not mere recreation, FDA regulates them as drugs or devices, not as tobacco products.

Aside from marketing claims, how different are e-cigs from other FDA-approved sources of nicotine?

Nicotine inhalers like Nicotrol are FDA-approved, prescription-only smoking cessation devices that also utilize liquid nicotine. They consist of a mouthpiece and a plastic cartridge of liquid nicotine. Sound familiar? (Incidentally, all of the scary statistics lately about nicotine toxicity related to mishandling of liquid nicotine used to fill e-cig cartridges extends to inhaler cartridges like those used in Nicotrol therapy.) Nicotrol’s website touts that inhalers “supply you with nicotine in controlled amounts while sparing you from other chemicals found in tobacco products.” If that’s so awesome for inhalers made by Pfizer, why is it not a compelling argument in favor of e-cigs?

If FDA regulates e-cigs under its “tobacco authority,” then manufacturers may not claim that their products might help someone to stop smoking tobacco cigarettes. If they wanted to make such claims, they would fall under FDA’s therapeutic drug/device provision. This classification would allow manufacturers to suggest this use of e-cigs to consumers, but it would also subject e-cigs to the enormous bureaucratic burdens of FDA’s drug/device approval process. FDA regulation of e-cigs as drug-delivery devices would almost certainly stymie efforts of e-cig manufacturers to bring their products to market in the long term.

For an entertaining and informative refresher on why that process sucks, watch this recent Intelligence Squared debate, “The FDA’s Caution is Hazardous to Our Health.” Arguing in favor of the motion is Peter Huber — Manhattan Institute fellow, partner at litigation boutique Kellogg Huber, former MIT mechanical engineering professor, and former clerk for now-Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sandra Day O’Connor. Huber argues persuasively (albeit spastically) that FDA stifles innovation and relies on bad scientific methods.

Instead of acknowledging the potential of e-cigs to reduce exposure to the harms of tobacco, e-cig opponents argue that the products may actually lead to smoking. Yet, most people use e-cigs to replace tobacco cigarettes. They either wean themselves off of tobacco with vaporizers, or they substitute vaporizers for tobacco cigarettes when smoking would impermissible or inconvenient. Does drinking Diet Coke lead to consumption of regular Coke?

So who is behind the drive to bury e-cigs?

Some activists think we ought to have zero tolerance for any behavior that resembles or reminds us of smoking. Purveyors of this militant stance are unrealistic, unpragmatic, and intolerant. This attitude is typical of abstinence-only zealots, whether the evil they perceive is smoking, premarital sex, or anything else. The zealots draft blue laws. They reduce sex ed to a joke. They call in regulators. They traffic in histrionics and paternalism.

More notably,the pharmaceutical industry strongly opposes e-cigs. Why? Drug companies like GlaxoSmithKline, producer of Nicorette, Johnson & Johnson, producer of nicotine patches, and Pfizer producer of the (potentially crazy-making) prescription drug Chantix, have been fighting hard to get the government to crack down. They compete with e-cigarette manufacturers for the business of helping people quit smoking.

Is smoking tobacco cigarettes an unhealthy habit? Yes. Is it possible that vaporizing liquid nicotine is an unhealthy habit? Maybe. So is a cheeseburger-laden lunch, a margarita-sloshed happy hour, and a tendency to be a pompous ass who tells other grown-ups which vices they may prioritize over some aspect of physical well-being. Claiming that vaporizing nicotine is less safe than burning tobacco is an absurdity born of moralizing over-regulation and the economic motivations of a competing industry.

The FDA allows public comment on its proposed rule until July 9, 2014.
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/05/smok...ind-fdas-proposed-regulation-of-e-cigarettes/

I just started vaping myself a couple weeks ago. Went from 25-30 cigarettes per day to 2mL juice (now 6-12mg/mL). After hacking up a bunch of tar from my lungs, I'm feeling fucking great! Smoked for 10 years. As I've invested like $200 into my vape setup (Twister+Protank Mini and Magneto+Aerotank/Nautilus Aspire) I haven't quite recouped my money or started saving yet, but give it a month or two and I will be (crazy to think about it).

Anyways, given I'm vaping to get away from smoking (and as I said I'm now loving it), I find it really hard to believe any significant amount of people are going from vaping to smoking. Of course someone certainly will, but I just can't see it happening in any significant numbers. I'd frankly like to see e-cigs regulated, but really just the liquid so the VG/PG, nicotine and flavors are all standardized and of the highest quality.

It's like she said, who goes from drinking diet coke to coke? 8)

Remember, nicotine is a drug =D

BTW I've noticed vaping also helps me not smoke weed. I wish I could at least occasionally for health reasons, but it's just not a good idea given work and school right now. So yea, this has been helping me with that too. Once you get used to the vapor and figure out whether you're allergic to PG or not the flavors are awesome. Just gotta buy from reputable juice companies. Hard to find the flavor(s) you love, but hell you'll still find a lot that taste soooo good.
 
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With such a long line of incredible blunders it does not surprise me that the FDA is trying to leach onto something that is running smooth without is infinite wisdom. Since its unsolved plate of debacles is already flowing over and could use anything to show a little competence. So will eat my food chalked full of the garbage they allow, wondering if the medication I just bought is a counterfeit.. or if not if its even close to the dosage i expect, while I read the stories of the opiat "epidemic" and how they dont have a fucking clue, how we have been pumping cows full of antibiotics (probably one of the few drug classes that will make life suck if we loose, this may more the USDA but the FDA could have spoke up) for more meat production, thus developing resistant bacteria in the most efficient way ever seen, and of new drugs which cost 1000 dollars a dose, laughing as the day of nationalized health care is right around the corner and the greedy doctors and big pharma will only be able to blame themselves, while hitting my unit and juice.. all of which are made in china so I have no fear they could ever adequately regulate to any degree anyway.. While pondering how a regulating body, which is funded by the people it regulates, can even pretend not to be a joke.
 
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Tobacco industries literally funded propaganda attacks from all angles just like when they fund the partnership for a drug free America. The government stands to loose billions in tobacco tax blood money so they go along with it. Every claim they made was complete and utter bullshit. It is literally the only cheap (long term, after initial investment) and effective smoking cessation product available. Tobacco companies set aside enormous funds to fight e-cigarettes alongside the government because they are nowhere near as consistently profitable. Some nations have banned them entirely while still selling cigarettes everywhere.

I will attempt to summarize their lies:

-Renormalizing of smoking
The whole point is to quit. A study recently on BBC just found that only about 1% of vapers are not current or past smokers. Due to the stinking and damaging nature of cigarettes we have no reason to believe someone would graduate to real cigarettes afterwards.

-Detectable levels of tobacco specific nitrosamines found.
This was only in some brands of liquid, typically the tobacco derived ones. It was 1/1000th the level found in tobacco smoke making it 99.9% safer in this regard. Not misleading wording: "detectable levels" without stating how much.

-Flavours entice children.
Typically propaganda ploy. Anything less harsh/disgusting is marketing to children. Alcohol is often flavoured. Even if children do it it is similar to them drinking coffee since the poisons are not present.

-Propylene glycol or vegetable glycerine degrading into acrolein and formaldehyde.
Studies used unrealistically high temperatures. Actual exposure levels were negligible.

-Addictive substance marketed as a health product.
You cannot get animals to self-administer nicotine alone. It is not biologically addictive by itself. Beta-Carbolines and other alkoloids/additives in tobacco are what make it addictive. You do not get the same buzz from nicotine alone.

The link below has a variety of sources. Let me know if I missed any points.
http://dimisphere.com/fda-regulations-what-can-we-do-now/
 
I thought a lot of you used these things.... I was expecting more passion on this subject.
 
I used to think vaporizing would eventually just replace smoking anything altogether but idk something about lighting up a cig or smoking weed just feels better to me.

I think it's because when I vape stuff there is so little irritation I almost forget im doing anything at all

the only reason I would quit smoking is because my teeth could probably be a lot whiter and Id have more cardiovascular endurance. Id rather just taper down with the gum or patch though rather than spend over 200 dollars to be able to pretend I quit smoking cigs when all I really did was tone it down a bit
 
Cigarettes are certainly more satisfying because of the additional drugs in the smoke. You get a throat hit with the high nicotine liquids because nicotine itself is irritating. It is funny how we associate the irritation with satisfaction.

You do clear out your lungs when vaping. The tar starts to be cleaned out as you are no longer inhaling real smoke. Personally I see it as I big step towards quitting because I experienced withdrawal from the non-nicotine drugs in tobacco and noticed an improvement in my daily mental state despite vaping constantly.
 
You can vape reasonably comfortably with a setup that costs well under $200 (twister or ego battery and protank mini 3 is like $50 with three or four replacement coils). Of course, I tend to get into involve in things with electronics or moving parts, so, yet, I did end up getting a slightly more expensive mechanical mod and rebuildable atomizer (Magneto+RSST RBA). I still ended up spending significantly under $200 though (about $130). The nice thing about RBAs is that you can make your own coils, so you end up only having to pay for juice once you make your initial investment. $5 per week on juice is way better than a minimum of $50-60 on cigarettes given my habits.

And that leads me to the next point: Vaping seems to work best for heavy smokers. They're the ones who will reap the most benefits from vaping, even if they do feel they need to spend $200. They'll generally recoup that cost in 2-4 weeks of not smoking, depending how much their cigs cost. Plus it's undoubtedly better for them, considering how much they smoked. And their lives won't smell like smoke or get covered in ash as it would if they smoked 200-400 cigarettes a week!

If you only smoke like one or two cigarette a day, then vaping might not be so beneficial to you, compared to someone who smokes 20-40/day. I mean, in that case the $50 setup I mentioned would be ideal for them, and they'd still be able to recoup the cost sooner than latter. Another thing is that I had come to hate smoking, for what it does to my body and the smell and filth of it. Ash trays are disgusting. But I was just really addicted. So vaping is a great sort of harm reduction modality for me. I get to accomplish my goals while still being able to do what I want.

At first I really didn't liked vaping. I too thought it was strange people did it, wasn't enjoyable compared to smoking and was too expensive. Then a friend got me a couple disposable ecigs. After using them a bit, I realized, I wasn't really craving cigarettes like I would be if I wasn't using anything. And I admit I ended up loving the vapor, its qualities more than taste.

And as the above post stated, you can absolutely get a strong throat hit even with an eGo setup when you're using 18-24mg juice. It's a bit different from that of a cigarette, but really not far off. Once you get used to it it's more or less just as good. Yes the initial investment is significant, even at $50 or $130. However, if you smoke 10-40 cigarettes per day, figure out how much you spend on it per week, month and year. It won't seem that significant then.

So yea, if you smoke a lot, vaping is very beneficial, financially and health-wise. If you don't smoke much, it'll be a bit less so, but still an improvement.
 
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Smoke Signals: The Misinformation Behind FDA’s Proposed Regulation Of E-Cigarettes

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/05/smok...ind-fdas-proposed-regulation-of-e-cigarettes/

I just started vaping myself a couple weeks ago. Went from 25-30 cigarettes per day to 2mL juice (now 6-12mg/mL). After hacking up a bunch of tar from my lungs, I'm feeling fucking great! Smoked for 10 years. As I've invested like $200 into my vape setup (Twister+Protank Mini and Magneto+Aerotank/Nautilus Aspire) I haven't quite recouped my money or started saving yet, but give it a month or two and I will be (crazy to think about it).

Anyways, given I'm vaping to get away from smoking (and as I said I'm now loving it), I find it really hard to believe any significant amount of people are going from vaping to smoking. Of course someone certainly will, but I just can't see it happening in any significant numbers. I'd frankly like to see e-cigs regulated, but really just the liquid so the VG/PG, nicotine and flavors are all standardized and of the highest quality.

It's like she said, who goes from drinking diet coke to coke? 8)

Remember, nicotine is a drug =D

BTW I've noticed vaping also helps me not smoke weed. I wish I could at least occasionally for health reasons, but it's just not a good idea given work and school right now. So yea, this has been helping me with that too. Once you get used to the vapor and figure out whether you're allergic to PG or not the flavors are awesome. Just gotta buy from reputable juice companies. Hard to find the flavor(s) you love, but hell you'll still find a lot that taste soooo good.
Hey and the upside if you decide to start smoking weed again you can fill your own cartridges with oil or even buy prefilled carts tho I've heard mixed results. I want to buy one to replace cigs and also so I can do oil without the whole oil rig and torch set up.
 
It's obvious certain greedy cunts are butthurt over the fact that many smokers are or have been switching over to e-cigs. They are upset that revenue is down, and their control over American smokers is shrinking. And they want their cut, or else..!
 
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