RCs The Methiopropamine N-methyl-1-(thiophen-2-yl)propan-2-amine (MPA) Megathread

[abrad84]

I hear insufflation and oral are inferior ROA. Vapourisation is the most efficient route, or so I'm told. I assume IV would be very efficient but I'd never recommend IV'ing a very new experimental compound.

 

[dax]

Received some MPA today, and below you can find reagent tests and pics:

Appearance:

- Bulky, as you can see from the pics, a 10mg line looks quite big in comparison to other substances
- Chalky, Clumpy, Gritty - texture in bag as you can see from the pic is very clumpy, almost a gritty feel. Not shiny, fairly dull slightly off white powder
- Chopping easy enough (no spillage) but hard gritty feel
- Smell, (I've not got the best nose today, so this may not be too accurate) chemically, slightly plastic whiff, reminds me a bit of coke
- Taste, bitter a slight amphet taste, but nothing major


Effects So far and updated:

- 11am: ~4mg allergy test (insufflated): no real effects, very slight if anything
- 12pm: ~10mg threshold test (insufflated): something mild, slight stimulation, bowels seem to believe it's a stimulant but nothing major (just that feel)
- 1pm: ~35mg (insufflated): after about 5-10mins started to feel effects - quite pleasant, speedy feel. After about 15 mins start to feel reasonable stimulation, a little euphoric, though much more on the speedy side - no big hit. Still - it is definitely active and gives an ok buzz for the dose (I didn't expect much after reading some posts). About 40mins later, mainly just moderate speedy feel. Clear headed.
- vaped between 20mg and 80mg in several hits, and up to 100mg insufflated - total about 400mg over the whole day.
- vaping seems better, though snorting works
- it hit a ceiling very quickly, and became pointless redosing
- overall, this is relatively quite mild and although starts off with some promise, it never really goes anywhere that you would expect from other similar stims
- it is also quite short acting, maybe 30-40mins decent high, 1 hour mild stimulation then just residual stimulation
- managed too sleep a couple of hours early morning the next day, though still some residual stimulation the day after that was a bit annoying


Summary updated:

Looked promising, though it's ceiling is a bit low and minimal euphoria so the effects probably aren't worth the risk and downside of taking it.

It's difficult to compare it to phet, as when I used to do that I injected, so the rush was massively more potent obviously. However, it definitely is similar in as much as it is a straight up stimulant. It is, however, not a replacement for it's illegal counterparts in terms of effects. It's not something I would really want to take again.

Hope that helps.

 

[uncle stinky]

A more general question I will drop in here, since it has some bearing on this chem-
With vasoconstrictive substances is a preload aspirin to thin the blood a good bad or indifferent thing to do?

 

[blobbymahn]

People kept referring 6-APB by the brand name Benzo Fury and the threads kept turning into a train wrecks as there was a lot of fake 'brands' out there. If the mods nip this in the bud before it starts and only let the actual chemical name be used then it won't turn into a benzo mess when all the hype starts.

Methiopropamine isn't a particularly stupid name though is it?

 

[abrad84]

Methiopropamine isn't a particularly stupid name though is it?

I think it's a fine name tbh...

 

[rafterman]

Following an allergy test a few hours ago, I've insufflated 2 x 50mg lines approx 1 hour apart. Some stimulation but pretty mild. Not living up to the hype in my opinion. Another case of O5 marketing techniques in action I reckon.

 

[nervousone]

Not living up to the hype in my opinion. Another case of O5 marketing techniques in action I reckon.

To be fair there wasn't much hype. They introduced a methamphetamine analogue and everyone assumed it would be awesome. There wasn't a single trip report 2 days ago and yet tons of people bought this completely unknown chemical assuming it would be active and awesome. Common sense isn't so common is seems.

 

[Harambulus]

Does vaporizing still cause damage to the cilia in the lungs as would smoking? as I do not smoke for this reason due to allergies and increased aggravation.

Also I'm wondering how this compares to coke cos it's the same price wise to cheap coke. It seems the effects are similar if a bit more reliable/better than cheap coke from what I gather so far; which isn't great .

 

[rafterman]

To be fair there wasn't much hype. They introduced a methamphetamine analogue and everyone assumed it would be awesome. There wasn't a single trip report 2 days ago and yet tons of people bought this completely unknown chemical assuming it would be active and awesome. Common sense isn't so common is seems.

There was some feedback on the HH forum which suggested that it was actually going to be pretty good, and it seems that the samples were probably more effective than the chem being sold. However, it does seem that those that are vaping are getting better results than those that are insufflating.

 

[abrad84]

Does vaporizing still cause damage to the cilia in the lungs as would smoking? as I do not smoke for this reason due to allergies and increased aggravation.

I would think not as you would be inhaling vapour, not smoke. Don't quote me on that though. Whether or not the vapour itself is harmful is another matter entirely though...

 

[Albion]

Just smoked about 5-10mg in a pipe with some tobacco, and definitely feel a very nice, clean buzz. Feel more alert, a bit tingly, and euphoric, though not off-the-wall euphoric. I think larger doses might give a very very good buzz. Also very easy on the lungs, mercifully.

 

[Xamkou]

I love how most people who are slagging it off have just simply shoved it all up their noses when the general consensus is it works best vaporised...

 

[Albion]

I love how most people who are slagging it off have just simply shoved it all up their noses when the general consensus is it works best vaporised...

Reminds me of this classic quote:

'Put a bag of "legal high" in front of your average moron and they seem to snort first and complain later'

 

[Vurtual]

Here's my views on MPA: It's active as a clear-headed stimulant when i've vaped 25-50mg on a foil (25 works as a stimulant dose; 50 is a bit more euphoric - i've only tried vaping). Nice clean stim, a little euphoria - main effects last about 3-4 hours for me. Like what it's based on, it doesn't really float my personal boat totally (like say 6-apb does), though could be quite nice as a working stim. It's not a meph replacement (i wouldn't want one anyway) - more a straight stim (for me so far)

As for the samples being better quality: actually this batch seems a lot cleaner than the last batch of free samples (they left quite a bit of goopy residue when vaped; this batch leaves virtually nothing); this is about the same purity as the first lot of free samples as far as i can tell.

 

[Albion]

I tried plugging 40mg after the buzz from smoking subsided after about 15 minutes. Has gotten me a lot higher for a lot longer (Still going after 2 hours). I'm really in quite a good place right now.

Conclusion seems to be that plugging MPA is fucking good, if you're prepared to do it. Obviously throws social settings out the window, unfortunately

 

[xxbeninukxx]

here is my MPA trip report.

20:00pm 25mg Line of MPA snorted

20:45pm not really feeling much feel a bit warmer thats about it

21:00pm snorted another 25mg.

21:15pm started feeling a few stimulations, but nothing major it feels like you just need that little bit more to get you going.

21:30pm feel a lot more messed up now mixed 5-iai, mdai, MPA all in one line this time, and i have to say it went nice!

21:45pm had another mix again of 5-iai mdai and mpa and flying high.

22:30pm effects are slowly fading and the buzz seems to be going.



I think this chemical is great but the effects seem realy short lived. i mean i dont know if this is my tolerance to drugs, but i have only done speed once or twice but i used to love pills a few years back.

 

[leiphos]

how would you guys compare MPA to the 'lesser amphetamines' like Adderall and MDPV, especially as work drugs?

 

[tyrael]

Not sure if this has been mentioned (haven't read the entire 7 pages yet) however if it is truly an methamphet analogue, then it'll (or an extremely, place bets on chance that it will ) be immediately illegalised in Aus.

Like someone mentioned earlier on, our analogue are generally non-specific, yet as a way of generalising the description enough to make it initially not allow. >_<


I obviously understand this is an extreme new RC, however does anyone have (or I guess that this stage infer) the dynamics/kinetics of MPA? Safe to assume there'll be cross tolerance with other stimulants (of similar MOA). ??


Also, I guess there will always be the "big risk takers" but is it not a little reckless to be taking copious amounts of a new chemical (for which no one knows much at all about) when you've never taken it before? Hmm, for all we know, 300mg ingested may actually equate to 10mg sub-labial (or similar ROA). Or is this just me being too sensible? I have no idea about prices but it seems like it's not all the expensive ... so ... titrate!

They trademarked a word, not the chemical.

As far as I was aware drug patents last for 7 years. No? Or do you mean they have only trademarked and haven't got to patenting the actual compound?

 

[abrad84]

^Just the word "methiopropamine" is trademarked, not the compound. Anyone could sell the compound so long as the sell it under a different name.

 

[tyrael]

Why would one trademark the proprietary name without first patenting the chemical itself? Obviously it would take a while for another company to reverse engineer (if it wasn't already publicised) the chem (and it's synth procedure) but still. Seems a little strange to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, however I was sure chemical structure patents can be filed and are protected for (I thought) 7 years (and this was the same, more or less, world wide).

For instance Pfizer and their patent on Sildenafil, which has obviously since ran out (few years back).