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RCs The Methiopropamine N-methyl-1-(thiophen-2-yl)propan-2-amine (MPA) Megathread

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I am not sure if insufflated has a shorter duration than oral. Sure, it might fade sooner, but isn't the full effect also felt proportionally sooner? At least it seems to me that the AUC's for oral and nasal would be very close. I am also curious about this pain you describe that you experience when you insufflate MPA. Is it the usual uncomfortability or is it a unique sensation? I definitely feel a mild to moderate of the former, but as far as I can tell, none of the latter.
It did seem to wear off faster. But maybe you're right. I only insufflated MPA twice. I should be getting a fresh bag in the mail any day now, I'll give it another try then. And the pain is more like an intense burning inside my nostrils and nasal cavity (is that what it's called?). The burn I feel from MXE I would describe uncomfortable (unless I'm drunk, don't feel anything then), but this stuff burns in a way that my eyes start tearing up.
 
And the pain is more like an intense burning inside my nostrils and nasal cavity (is that what it's called?). The burn I feel from MXE I would describe uncomfortable (unless I'm drunk, don't feel anything then), but this stuff burns in a way that my eyes start tearing up.

I got exactly the same. Snorting ket or mxe or buphedrone is just uncomfortable but jeez, mpa is seriously painful.
 
the wikipedia page of the compound 1-(Thiophen-2-yl)-2-aminopropane (dubbed "amthetamin" earlier by some scam vendor, in contrast to "methamthetamin", which is now known as methiopropamine) says that the thiophen-3-yl analogue was more potent. wouldn't it be an good educated guess then that also the thiophen-3-yl analogue of methiopropamine would be more potent than its parent compound? has this ever been made and tried?

here is the link to the said wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-(Thiophen-2-yl)-2-aminopropane
 
Is this stuff actually active orally?

I'm assuming yes because I took nastily to a tiny dab under the tongue during my standard precautionary routine. It looks like this one's for the bin. Waste of money but I'm not gonna proceed to bomb an "active" dose when <5mg caused my throat to tighten and dizziness to set in. Still, this is exactly what allergy tests were meant for!

Has the chemical taste and strong smell that others have described. Also looks like it would be horrible to insufflate so I'm sure it's legit.
 
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Is this stuff actually active orally?

I'm assuming yes because I took nastily to a tiny dab under the tongue during my standard precautionary routine. It looks like this one's for the bin. Waste of money but I'm not gonna proceed to bomb an "active" dose when <5mg caused my throat to tighten and dizziness to set in. Still, this is exactly what allergy tests were meant for!

Has the chemical taste and strong smell that others have described. Also looks like it would be horrible to insufflate so I'm sure it's legit.

This is a good advert for allergy tests! I'll bet you're glad you did it.

Yes IME it's fully active orally, but the only negative effect I have ever had from MPA was a bit of urinary tract irritation (and that might not even have been caused by the MPA).
 
Yeah, you never quite appreciate the value of allergic reaction testing until it actually stops you having one! Anyway, it seems some may be allergic to this (a la me) so take care all. :)

I put my finger in the bag, allowed a tiny amount to collect on it and put it under my tongue and that was enough to tell me that my body doesn't like it. Seems like that's the best test with this stuff because the reaction didn't do me any harm.
 
Does anyone know whether this is particularly acidic/alkaline? Could have something to do with the burning caused when snorting, and then pain when swallowing. I put it in a capsule then swallow it (probably not so good on the stomach however)
 
MPA binge experiment

I procured a gram of MPA last thursday and it has been quite the ride since then.

I should note cocaine is my recreational stimulant of choice but I do have some experience with amphetamine (the 'street speed' type) and MDMA. Have not had any of the research chems that have been out there the past couple of years, being content with cocaine and the occasional MDMA for recreation. Other perhaps useful info; male, 25, about 80kg and in good health to the best of my knowledge.

I landed on MPA because I had begun looking into a functional stimulant that might be taken while doing work, but found methylphenidate and modafinil not good enough. Methylphenidate initially appeared promising but I noted some big drawbacks (physical discomfort at effective dosages, not actually thinking clearer but rather just experiencing a relatively short spike in energy). Modafinil, though obviously a very different type of drug, did have a surprisingly stimulating effect on me, but also made my thinking less clear. I also didn't particularly enjoy the complete appetite suppression (that stuff would work miracles for obese people).

Not being able to acquire any high-quality dextro-amphetamines or fancier meds like Adderall which is hard to come by outside the US I gave up looking for a functional stimulant until I landed on some of the newer RC's; initially I was looking at RC's for something of a synthetic cocaine replacement for recreational purposes, but found most available stimulant RC's were relatively poor MDMA analogs, in which I have no interest at all.

MPA seemed worth a try though, allegedly being a methamphetamine analog of sorts, and after some research I decided to get some. Reports indicated good stimulating effects and bone-chilling health warnings, so I tried to be very careful testing it out. The afternoon it came in, I decided to give it a go right after work. Trying to go about it somewhat responsibly I intended to carefully log and weigh every dose and it's effects. Here is what I documented the first 4 hours or so;

17:00 - 5mg snorted 'allergy test'

17:10 - Feeling nothing untoward, an additional approx 30mg snorted. It produced a brief irritation but quickly subsided and was nothing close to painful. However, being an experienced 'snorter' of sorts I may not experience the burn as intensely as some others seem to report.

17:14 - Slight nasal drip noted.

17:37 - There being no apparent effects, I decide to take another 35mg as I am quite eager to see what MPA is about.

17:45 - Increased alertness and perception were noted while slightly leaning over my balcony smoking a cigarette. Looking at the view, everything seemed more vivid and I felt an increased perception of traffic, pedestrians, etc.

18:00 - Noted sudden 'need' to organize; desk, clothing, apartment; a typical amphetamine effect. Since I haven't eaten since lunch, I eat a meal salad out of actual hunger; this would be quite impossible on regular amphetamines.

18:41 - Finished meal.. Noticed i bit my lip a few times.. Bruxism perhaps? Increased focus and very talkative, but definitely not euphoric. Also a continued strong perception of a 'need' to do something.

18:46 - Not sure if this was the plateau of the drug's effects, I added another 30mg, will wait for for 30 mins now, see if effects increase.

19:10 - Remarkably increased energy, focus, chattiness, and indeed no euphoria. Thinking is _much_ clearer and effective at this point, any mental fogginess is lifted. Also no adverse effects noted as of yet.

19:38 - Continued pronounced effect on energy and focus.. No ill effects.. Again wondering if this is the peak of the experience, I take an additional 20mg.

20:30 - Strong effects, added 20mg. Scale seems unreliable. Again, no euphoria, just pronounced focus and energy.

21:14 - Baggie (with contents) now weighs in at 1,36. This is down from 1,75. Suspect scale is somewhat unreliable, indicated dosages may therefore be inaccurate. I feel comfortable enough eyeballing the dosages from now on, as I felt no adverse effects and the lines simply resemble modest cocaine ones, the main difference being that MPA has a slightly fluffy quality to it, so when cutting lines it tends to clot together. Observed similar structural qualities in regular amphetamine powders.


This was the last entry I logged that Thursday evening. The experience continued well into the night, and I would re-dose roughly every hour. I kept feeling energized and continued to work and chat at my computer. I tried to do some reading and found it incredibly easy to stay focused. I noted that performing mundane organizational tasks I would normally be too lazy for felt like no big effort and gladly did those (anything from uploading documents and pictures from my phone onto Dropbox to putting out my garbage.

I would like to impart to everyone here that at _no point_ between 1700 and approximately 2:30 AM when I decided to call it a night I felt any kind of tachycardia, palpitations or other frightening cardiovascular symptoms. I'm sure both blood pressure and pulse were elevated, but nothing I wouldn't expect from say, a bit of cocaine.

This was a big relief since I read some very troubling experiences of people stating they freaked out and felt like they were about to have heart attacks ;/ I'm not sure whether to conclude I under dosed, simply didn't notice an almost fatal heart attack (lol), have a healthy cardiovascular system or that some other experimenting users are a bit overly anxious when it comes to measuring BP and heart rate during these experiences, perhaps thereby 'creating' part of the perceived problem.. In any case, I felt no such symptoms. Someone also mentioned a rather extreme MDMA-like difficulty to relieve the bladder; no such issue was experienced by me at any point.

A mild headache set in around 1 AM which I realized was due to dehydration. This was quickly alleviated with a bottle of Evian and some aspirin.

At 2:30 AM I took 20mg of Valium (which is not much for me since I have quite a benzo tolerance) when I decided it made no sense to keep going since the energetic effects were no longer translating into (at least perceived) increased mental capabilities. Did not really get much real sleep; I could have added some xanax and klonopin but as I had to show up for one meeting at work in the morning, I was intent on just trying to get some light rest and see if I could 'keep on truckin' into the next day.

From 3 to 7 I was in a state of semi-sleep, but really I felt like i was literally just resting my eyes. No strange dreams or hallucinations (as can occur with MDMA) were noted. A train of thought about tomorrow's meeting kept thundering through my mind, but didn't really bother me. I did not at all feel 'down' or depressed as the conclusion of a cocaine experience can sometimes leave you.

When my alarm went off at 7 AM, I simply got up, feeling pretty groggy, and as I stepped into the shower considered how much MPA I would take before heading off to work.. And how to take some with me in case I felt the need for a booster. I ended up snorting about 40mg and taking what seemed like the same dosage with me in a 'snowseal'. The 40mg got me pretty much to normal along with my morning coffee and my commute to work (subway ride) felt normal, although I could feel being somewhat 'depleted', but certainly not in any kind of post-MDMA or amphetamine way. If I had slept longer, I dare say I would have felt damn near fine.

Work was uneventful; there was no paranoia and I could function just fine (certainly not on par with normal performance, but considering the binge, surprisingly normal). I did not end up taking the MPA I brought in with me, but just took a few 10mg Valiums during the day as I did feel a bit frazzled around noon which was alleviated with the benzo's and some nice coffee. I stuck around for the friday afternoon drinks at the office for a little while, but returned home at about six, when after having some dinner, I immediately decided to get another night of MPA in and dosed up something that looked between 40-50mg. In addition to that, I decided to parachute roughly the same dose.

I continued buzzing along feeling sober and alert, but nowhere near the powerful feeling of mental clarity I had experienced the night before. Not having to work the next day, I kept on dosing, no idea how many times exactly, but remember going to sleep around 10 AM. Again, no feelings of impending heart attacks were experienced; just the to be expected overstretched muscles from sitting in one position for too many hours; just remembering to stretch every now and again.

At 17:00 on saturday evening I woke up, feeling a bit dehydrated but other than that reasonably rested. At this point the baggie weighed in at about 0,8 grams, and as I poured the remaining MPA out it looked like enough for about 3 to 4 good dosages. As I expected, these yielded little more than a slight increase in energy but largely unsupported by any mental clarity, whichever substance of my brain MPA affects, now having been pretty much drained. Still managed to carry on until about 4 AM, then had some Valium and slept until about noon on sunday.

The binge was consciously intended to be one, as a type of experiment I suppose, but aside from the effects that were caused by the prolonged usage I can safely say MPA is a very useful substance when you are looking to get some work done and need that little mental and energetic edge. When used in moderation, it seemed to be quite benign, in no way draining you like amphetamines or MDMA would. It should be noted that as most reports indicate, MPA taken alone will at no dosage induce euphoria, probably because it doesn't affect dopamine and serotonin levels to the same extent as MDMA or speed. This would also explain why it does not drain you as severely, even aver prolonged usage.

I think I shall post some more reflections on this experience in a day or so, and confirm whether or not there is a kind of delayed onset depression effect (I feel perfectly normal as of 18:00 sunday evening, so I would be very surprised to find any mood alterations next week). Will follow up.
 
I procured a gram of MPA last thursday and it has been quite the ride since then.

I should note cocaine is my recreational stimulant of choice but I do have some experience with amphetamine (the 'street speed' type) and MDMA. Have not had any of the research chems that have been out there the past couple of years, being content with cocaine and the occasional MDMA for recreation. Other perhaps useful info; male, 25, about 80kg and in good health to the best of my knowledge.

I landed on MPA because I had begun looking into a functional stimulant that might be taken while doing work, but found methylphenidate and modafinil not good enough. Methylphenidate initially appeared promising but I noted some big drawbacks (physical discomfort at effective dosages, not actually thinking clearer but rather just experiencing a relatively short spike in energy). Modafinil, though obviously a very different type of drug, did have a surprisingly stimulating effect on me, but also made my thinking less clear. I also didn't particularly enjoy the complete appetite suppression (that stuff would work miracles for obese people).

Not being able to acquire any high-quality dextro-amphetamines or fancier meds like Adderall which is hard to come by outside the US I gave up looking for a functional stimulant until I landed on some of the newer RC's; initially I was looking at RC's for something of a synthetic cocaine replacement for recreational purposes, but found most available stimulant RC's were relatively poor MDMA analogs, in which I have no interest at all.

MPA seemed worth a try though, allegedly being a methamphetamine analog of sorts, and after some research I decided to get some. Reports indicated good stimulating effects and bone-chilling health warnings, so I tried to be very careful testing it out. The afternoon it came in, I decided to give it a go right after work. Trying to go about it somewhat responsibly I intended to carefully log and weigh every dose and it's effects. Here is what I documented the first 4 hours or so;

17:00 - 5mg snorted 'allergy test'

17:10 - Feeling nothing untoward, an additional approx 30mg snorted. It produced a brief irritation but quickly subsided and was nothing close to painful. However, being an experienced 'snorter' of sorts I may not experience the burn as intensely as some others seem to report.

17:14 - Slight nasal drip noted.

17:37 - There being no apparent effects, I decide to take another 35mg as I am quite eager to see what MPA is about.

17:45 - Increased alertness and perception were noted while slightly leaning over my balcony smoking a cigarette. Looking at the view, everything seemed more vivid and I felt an increased perception of traffic, pedestrians, etc.

18:00 - Noted sudden 'need' to organize; desk, clothing, apartment; a typical amphetamine effect. Since I haven't eaten since lunch, I eat a meal salad out of actual hunger; this would be quite impossible on regular amphetamines.

18:41 - Finished meal.. Noticed i bit my lip a few times.. Bruxism perhaps? Increased focus and very talkative, but definitely not euphoric. Also a continued strong perception of a 'need' to do something.

18:46 - Not sure if this was the plateau of the drug's effects, I added another 30mg, will wait for for 30 mins now, see if effects increase.

19:10 - Remarkably increased energy, focus, chattiness, and indeed no euphoria. Thinking is _much_ clearer and effective at this point, any mental fogginess is lifted. Also no adverse effects noted as of yet.

19:38 - Continued pronounced effect on energy and focus.. No ill effects.. Again wondering if this is the peak of the experience, I take an additional 20mg.

20:30 - Strong effects, added 20mg. Scale seems unreliable. Again, no euphoria, just pronounced focus and energy.

21:14 - Baggie (with contents) now weighs in at 1,36. This is down from 1,75. Suspect scale is somewhat unreliable, indicated dosages may therefore be inaccurate. I feel comfortable enough eyeballing the dosages from now on, as I felt no adverse effects and the lines simply resemble modest cocaine ones, the main difference being that MPA has a slightly fluffy quality to it, so when cutting lines it tends to clot together. Observed similar structural qualities in regular amphetamine powders.


This was the last entry I logged that Thursday evening. The experience continued well into the night, and I would re-dose roughly every hour. I kept feeling energized and continued to work and chat at my computer. I tried to do some reading and found it incredibly easy to stay focused. I noted that performing mundane organizational tasks I would normally be too lazy for felt like no big effort and gladly did those (anything from uploading documents and pictures from my phone onto Dropbox to putting out my garbage.

I would like to impart to everyone here that at _no point_ between 1700 and approximately 2:30 AM when I decided to call it a night I felt any kind of tachycardia, palpitations or other frightening cardiovascular symptoms. I'm sure both blood pressure and pulse were elevated, but nothing I wouldn't expect from say, a bit of cocaine.

This was a big relief since I read some very troubling experiences of people stating they freaked out and felt like they were about to have heart attacks ;/ I'm not sure whether to conclude I under dosed, simply didn't notice an almost fatal heart attack (lol), have a healthy cardiovascular system or that some other experimenting users are a bit overly anxious when it comes to measuring BP and heart rate during these experiences, perhaps thereby 'creating' part of the perceived problem.. In any case, I felt no such symptoms. Someone also mentioned a rather extreme MDMA-like difficulty to relieve the bladder; no such issue was experienced by me at any point.

A mild headache set in around 1 AM which I realized was due to dehydration. This was quickly alleviated with a bottle of Evian and some aspirin.

At 2:30 AM I took 20mg of Valium (which is not much for me since I have quite a benzo tolerance) when I decided it made no sense to keep going since the energetic effects were no longer translating into (at least perceived) increased mental capabilities. Did not really get much real sleep; I could have added some xanax and klonopin but as I had to show up for one meeting at work in the morning, I was intent on just trying to get some light rest and see if I could 'keep on truckin' into the next day.

From 3 to 7 I was in a state of semi-sleep, but really I felt like i was literally just resting my eyes. No strange dreams or hallucinations (as can occur with MDMA) were noted. A train of thought about tomorrow's meeting kept thundering through my mind, but didn't really bother me. I did not at all feel 'down' or depressed as the conclusion of a cocaine experience can sometimes leave you.

When my alarm went off at 7 AM, I simply got up, feeling pretty groggy, and as I stepped into the shower considered how much MPA I would take before heading off to work.. And how to take some with me in case I felt the need for a booster. I ended up snorting about 40mg and taking what seemed like the same dosage with me in a 'snowseal'. The 40mg got me pretty much to normal along with my morning coffee and my commute to work (subway ride) felt normal, although I could feel being somewhat 'depleted', but certainly not in any kind of post-MDMA or amphetamine way. If I had slept longer, I dare say I would have felt damn near fine.

Work was uneventful; there was no paranoia and I could function just fine (certainly not on par with normal performance, but considering the binge, surprisingly normal). I did not end up taking the MPA I brought in with me, but just took a few 10mg Valiums during the day as I did feel a bit frazzled around noon which was alleviated with the benzo's and some nice coffee. I stuck around for the friday afternoon drinks at the office for a little while, but returned home at about six, when after having some dinner, I immediately decided to get another night of MPA in and dosed up something that looked between 40-50mg. In addition to that, I decided to parachute roughly the same dose.

I continued buzzing along feeling sober and alert, but nowhere near the powerful feeling of mental clarity I had experienced the night before. Not having to work the next day, I kept on dosing, no idea how many times exactly, but remember going to sleep around 10 AM. Again, no feelings of impending heart attacks were experienced; just the to be expected overstretched muscles from sitting in one position for too many hours; just remembering to stretch every now and again.

At 17:00 on saturday evening I woke up, feeling a bit dehydrated but other than that reasonably rested. At this point the baggie weighed in at about 0,8 grams, and as I poured the remaining MPA out it looked like enough for about 3 to 4 good dosages. As I expected, these yielded little more than a slight increase in energy but largely unsupported by any mental clarity, whichever substance of my brain MPA affects, now having been pretty much drained. Still managed to carry on until about 4 AM, then had some Valium and slept until about noon on sunday.

The binge was consciously intended to be one, as a type of experiment I suppose, but aside from the effects that were caused by the prolonged usage I can safely say MPA is a very useful substance when you are looking to get some work done and need that little mental and energetic edge. When used in moderation, it seemed to be quite benign, in no way draining you like amphetamines or MDMA would. It should be noted that as most reports indicate, MPA taken alone will at no dosage induce euphoria, probably because it doesn't affect dopamine and serotonin levels to the same extent as MDMA or speed. This would also explain why it does not drain you as severely, even aver prolonged usage.

I think I shall post some more reflections on this experience in a day or so, and confirm whether or not there is a kind of delayed onset depression effect (I feel perfectly normal as of 18:00 sunday evening, so I would be very surprised to find any mood alterations next week). Will follow up.

Nice first post Rothstein, welcome to Bluelight.

MPA is an interesting RC, and once you get to know its limitations quite a good functional stim. I have friends who have now substituted it for coke, on the basis that their coke supply was becoming so expensive/poor quality/unreliable that MPA provided what they were actually after, a clear-headed motivational energiser. In the early days I got fed up with it because I was looking for something that was recreational and provided euphoria and/or empathy, clearly MPA isn't that stim. On the other hand if you have a shit load of stuff to do to a deadline, whether it is physical work or mental, it does that pretty well. If you have no tolerance to stims you could probably get away with lower doses, I found that after I got over the 'dose high in search of the buzz' I could get functional stimulation (improved attention, motivation and alertness) from 15 to 30mg. I also found that although there is a redose feeling after 1 hour it doesn't affect the concentration levels if you ignore it and doesn't really improve them if you do redose. The biggest downside for me is the inability to urinate after several doses. Over the course of an evening of drinking and maybe having done up to 100mg with friends I find pissing a real problem. Also, I found if I took it after six in the evening sleep would be problematic. In the early days of using it (when i was still chasing a high) I'd spend nights in bed not knowing whether i'd slepy or noyt, it produced a weird half sleep/awake feeling where the body was resting but the mind was wide awake, otherwise it seems benign enough, I and never got any come down.

I've actually given up on it recently because I can get the pure functionality from modafinil and for recreation I want something a bit more in your face, if I'm not working I prefer 'messy stims' with a bit of serotonin involvement.
 
I already made the comparison between methyphenidate (Ritalin) and MPA here, but after having used MPA last two days to study for an upcoming test I want to say again how much better this stuff is for these purposes. I've been taking 40mg capsules every 4-5 hours and it's a much cleaner stimulant than methylphenidate. MPA has a smaller negative effect on my apatite and I can maintain better focus on my work.

I do have to add that I am a heavy marijuana smoker which means I need a lot more methylphenidate than most people with ADD causing the negative side-effects to be a lot stronger than they are supposed to be.
 
I just noticed this makes me sweat lots. Even when I'm motionless, eg sitting at the computer or reading.

And even worse, the sweat smells a bit chemically like the MPA
 
I already made the comparison between methyphenidate (Ritalin) and MPA here, but after having used MPA last two days to study for an upcoming test I want to say again how much better this stuff is for these purposes. I've been taking 40mg capsules every 4-5 hours and it's a much cleaner stimulant than methylphenidate. MPA has a smaller negative effect on my apatite and I can maintain better focus on my work.

I do have to add that I am a heavy marijuana smoker which means I need a lot more methylphenidate than most people with ADD causing the negative side-effects to be a lot stronger than they are supposed to be.

Couldn't agree more about the functional stim properties of MPA. A lot less side-effects than methylphenidate and little impact on appetite. Though I cannot substantiate it also helps memory retention, it will certainly allow for studying without distraction.


To follow up on my previous post, I did not notice any noteworthy 'dip' in the days after use, even though I had been on quite a binge. It doesn't seem to drain too much of anything, hence the rather dissatisfactory experiences for euphoria seekers. I would consider it most akin to methylphenidate as far as negative aftereffects go. I do as always with stims recommend you have some kind of benzodiazepine handy for whenever you feel like calling it a day as you still transition from something of a buzzed mind back to baseline, which is rarely entirely comfortable with stims.

As to the effects, thinking seems to become much clearer; ideas simply flow faster and manifest in a more lucid way.. I will not say a drug makes you 'smarter' so I won't, but when taken in the appropriate dosage through gelcap ingestion, it works significantly well towards enhanced focus and to an extent increased assertiveness.

At least this was my personal perception upon further experimentation, this time ingesting the drug in capsules for optimal absorption through digestion.

Taking roughly 70-80mg before work one day gave me an extremely productive morning during which I found myself energized, working more diligently (getting everything 'as good as I can make it', but not in an obsessing over details kind of way) and also felt MPA adding to my mind's general dedication to the particular project I was working on (onset of new ideas, thinking of possible issues to be raised, meetings to schedule, so forth).

I went over the work I produced during that particular session and it in no way seemed odd, just slightly more vividly articulated and with a bit more emphatic overtones (not to be confused with some species of empathy lol) than usual.

Although in retrospect I feel I may have acted slightly out of character at times in social conversations, I do not find this an unwanted side-effect since I can be a bit morose at times and will avoid chit-chat like the plague most of the time. That day however I would indulge co-workers in casual conversation, commenting with wit and some thoughtfulness, though nothing out of the ordinary or inappropriate. I would chalk that up to simply perceiving what is normally inane chitchat (which is to be avoided and ignored) as valid conversation that demanded reasoned responses, as at no time did I actually feel increased empathy; it simply felt like 'doing business'. Chit-chat completed? Back to the order of the day!

And this is what MPA seems to be about; strictly business. When snorted, it can provoke fiending, especially in say, habitual cocaine users, causing you to take more and more looking for a high or euphoria that simply will not come (as many have described).

I'm guessing the neurochemistry behind this is that it will simply not trigger the release or reuptake inhibition of serotonin or dopamine, causing me to speculate it prompts the release of norepinephrine; this would account for some of the classic speed-like effects in drive and focus, explain the lack of euphoria and perhaps even the reported cardiovascular effects like high BP.. But this is of course completely theoretical. I'm sure other users here can offer better educated guesses than mine.

I will conclude by saying that MPA is strictly functional in nature, and when controlled doses are taken produces little negative side-effects. I will remark it should not be snorted, I strongly recommend using capsules (have not tried other MOA). Effects will manifest within an hour or so, reaching a plateau at T+2, which at T+4 is followed by a comedown of sorts, making the whole experience of one dose stretch to about 5-6 hours total.

For me it won't become a drug to habitually use as it obviously 'does something' to your brain and whatever that is can't be good when done too often. Personally I would pull out MPA when in need of some drive or inspiration to do work on a personal project or task, as for this it seems to give good bang for the buck in desired 'sober' stimulation and little unwanted side-effects.
 
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MPA sounds great as a functional stim, however I have heard that it will show up on drug tests as it has an amphetamine structure. Anybody know of any similar functional stims that are not amphetamine based?

I will not go into details, but my work requires that I sometimes work 36-48 hrs straight and coffee just doesnt cut it. I have tried MDPV as it is still legal where I live ... but that ended up with me freaking out after about 9 days of continued use (with periods of sleep of course).

I have heard a little about 3 new substances (a-pvp, pentedrone, and pentylone) but there is very little information on any of these. Anybody know anything besides the full chemical names of these? such as ... Effects? Negative effects? potential hazards? strength? dosages? functionality? pupil dilation? etc ...

Or if anybody knows of any functional stims that could offer some advice before I randomly order one of the above stated chems and "research" it for myself, that would be awesome.

I would prefer to procure a substance that is known by the community and has been tested ... at least have several research reports completed.
 
I'd once again like to voice my satisfaction with mpa. As someone who 'suffers' from ADD, this has been a godsend. 30mg intranasally gives me a very clear headspace (normally I'm quite 'busy' up there) and really helps me get things done. The only drawback is the sort of more-ish nature of the ROA.
 
For those of you who have smoked Crystal Methamphetamine in the past, (which I used to do on occasion and loved)how does smoking this substance compare?
 
I always get this weird tight muscle feeling in my ears while on a 35mg oral dose, like I am occasionally going deaf.
 
I always get this weird tight muscle feeling in my ears while on a 35mg oral dose, like I am occasionally going deaf.

I had to do a swift double take at your post, wondering how in gods name someone can feel they are going deaf from a tight muscle feeling in their arse! My second reading of it clarified the situation fortunately!
 
So far I have found this stuff to be quite decent - but then like many other people who are finding it to be useful, I am not really pursuing a buzz so much as looking for a functional stimulant. So far I have restricted myself to small dabs orally washed down with water or juice, I'm not really a fan of other methods of administration for chemical drugs - vastly prefer gradual onset and no pain! I've not found any major desire or compulsion to redose frequently - over the course of a night out I probably only 'topped up' with another small dab maybe twice.
So far 48 hours after last ingestion I am not feeling any typical amphetamine style comedown, although very little appetite for over 24 hours after ingestion. Sleep doesn't seem to have been affected too badly at all - the intention was to be able to stay up all night Saturday and Sunday afternoon, then get a good night's sleep on Sunday and I had no problem achieving this although as morning arrived my sleep was somewhat impaired by the high temperature in the room caused by unusually hot weather for Autumn.

I haven't noticed too much unpleasant chemical aroma coming from the substance itself or my sweat post-ingestion, unlike say Mephedrone or Ketamine which I can smell a mile away... but then this might not be the case at higher doses. I will definitely do it again although because of 5the link with notoriously addictive methamphetamine I will be treating this substance with respect and as with all chemical drugs these days will avoid using more than once every four-to six weeks or so until more reliable information becomes available.
 
i had to do a swift double take at your post, wondering how in gods name someone can feel they are going deaf from a tight muscle feeling in their arse! My second reading of it clarified the situation fortunately!

hahahahahaha!!
 
(Sorry for my english, my English is average)



Male, 100kg (sports, big guy) Mainly experienced with methamphetamine, amphetamine, etylophenidate, ethkatons.

I am surprised that you such small doses.

10 p.m. - 150 mg snorted + 200mg ethcatone - great euphoria, better perception of music, something beautiful. 3-4 hours, and slow 1-1,5 hours.

Generally very strong performance for the first time, the next weaker, but equally good.
 
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