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RCs The Methiopropamine N-methyl-1-(thiophen-2-yl)propan-2-amine (MPA) Megathread V2

Feels to me like as the mpa loaded blood floods into the lungs it's the smell / vapour coming through the alveoli into the lungs / throat.

Hmm i never got the taste/smell from shooting it which is weird because i do with the vast majority of things i IV. It was accompanied by a warm feeling in the chest in my case so your theory may be right. I guess we will just have to guess until someone, if anyone decides to actually research this thing with a proper lab and a proper Phd. Ebola? above you makes a good case that MPA is most likely fairly cardiotoxic and shouldn't be IVd long term or in vast amounts. Given the somewhat weak rush associated with it compared to its structural brother methamphetamine the benefits of IVing it are negligible and I wont be doing it again. A cough and a warm chest isn't worth cardiac complications imo.
 
For all the people saying beer relieves bad side effects of this drug, well that doesn't do anything about the damage caused, so what's the point? If your heart is still hurt as bad in the first place, why does liquoring yourself up to ignore the damage make it any better or 'safer'? lol. I understand alcohol relieves vasoconstriction, however it also causes it, and I really doubt it's doing anything besides making it even more toxic. Ahh well, at least yall aren't cocaethylene addicts. Still, don't see the appeal in Methiopropamine, a stimulant with most users saying it's on the level of caffeine, but with obvious (but unproven and anecdotal) cardiotoxicity.

Although you're right and the people doing this are probably ignorant at best, it's quite clear that you've never tried MPA and have no intention of doing so -- moreover, you seem to have a specific loathing of stimulants based on your posts in other topics. I'd advise you to stop offering your opinion on things with which you have no experience and stick to your health warnings which are, at least, somewhat useful despite their backhanded and condescending nature.
 
Although you're right and the people doing this are probably ignorant at best, it's quite clear that you've never tried MPA and have no intention of doing so -- moreover, you seem to have a specific loathing of stimulants based on your posts in other topics. I'd advise you to stop offering your opinion on things with which you have no experience and stick to your health warnings which are, at least, somewhat useful despite their backhanded and condescending nature.

In addition to this, I'd like to urge people to input their experiences. The more anecdotal reports we have, the better. I was shy when I first signed up (due to the aggressive nature of a lot of posters on here) but hey, sod them! We'd all like to hear from you.

I was going to take mpa with me on a booze night out, but this morning I immediately knew I wasn't anywhere near fit enough for that. Until next time...
 
In addition to this, I'd like to urge people to input their experiences. The more anecdotal reports we have, the better. I was shy when I first signed up (due to the aggressive nature of a lot of posters on here) but hey, sod them! We'd all like to hear from you.

I was going to take mpa with me on a booze night out, but this morning I immediately knew I wasn't anywhere near fit enough for that. Until next time...


Hey dave, my experience is that good MPA is like an instant antidepressant, with slightly stronger caffeine like stimulus. I like it because I can feel really good with just a small amount and a few beers...It's cheap, I use small amounts and so get no adverse cardio effects, mu pulse never goes up and blood pressure is stable. You can never get too high from it so u know u can't chase a high so quite harm reductive in that aspect.....in my experinece, as u r not chasing all the time tolerance builds more slowly, so even though it's an RC you should end up using a lot less of it than any other stim(cocaine, ephylpheinidate etc). Some people like it for a little energy to get their house work done... I like it and one of my friends like it for the real mellow amphetamine effects with no comedown whatsoever, if using less than 200mg a day and don't go on benders. NO jitteres, no anxiety. Just a great RC for people who r not looking to get high but enjoy a slight boost to their mood, or certain other things like Krtatom, or alcohol!
 
Also Dave, as long as u have a few benzos handy, I can almost guarantee that if yoiu stic to less than 100mg MPA and ess than 4 beers you won't have any bad effects, just good!
 
In addition to this, I'd like to urge people to input their experiences. The more anecdotal reports we have, the better. I was shy when I first signed up (due to the aggressive nature of a lot of posters on here) but hey, sod them! We'd all like to hear from you.

I was going to take mpa with me on a booze night out, but this morning I immediately knew I wasn't anywhere near fit enough for that. Until next time...

I'm in the process of putting together a online survey for collating detailed anecdotal reports of MPA. Since i doubt anyone on this forum has a NMR spectrascope laying around the house and doesn't have the capabilities of holding randomised double blind tests on a variety of test subjects anecdotal reports are crucial do evaluating the risks of research chems.

I'd be happy to receive proposed questions to put in to the survey, i think when it comes to things like research chemicals pretty much everyone has different theories and hunches about their negative:positive effects ratios and how/why they might cause certain negative effects, If anyone has any of these hunches and wants some questions asked to probe into their ideas of the pharmacodynamics at play when you take MPA.

My post count is still relatively tiny here but as David said ^ its better to get as much varied reports from people be they experienced drug enthusiasts (sounds better than druggie doesnt it?) or if MPA is the first powder to enter their nose. A collective of brains is always gonna be better than just a couple.

I hope i worded that right and at least semi-coherently, it seemed a bit weird reading it back. I blame lack of sleep, surprisingly not MPA induced.
 
So how would taking MPA with an MAOI go? I have had no bad side effects yet and have been taking the combined for about 11 days

I'm not really in a position to say, although I do know that you'll be at much higher risk of tyramine interactions and would advise you to read this ASAP and take it seriously: http://www.livestrong.com/article/360265-list-of-foods-containing-tyramine/

I agree with Machete about the possible MAOI interactions, but i'd like a link to where he is getting he data regarding how MPA is processed by the brain and in particular the references made to "Key neurochemicals" being affected by MPA, not because i am in any way doubting his post or the facts in it but i would like to read a proper scientific paper on the neurological effects of MPA.

MAOIs are weird drugs, i am astounded they are still being used what with TCAs and then SSRIs but i guess there is reasons for them being prescribed that i have missed. Pretty much every drug you take when on MAOIs is a bit of a risk but given that Amphetamines, MDMA, Dextroamphetamine & Methamphetamine are all contra indicated i would proceed with great caution keeping an eye out for symptoms of Seretonin Syndrome, Hypertensive crisis and Physchosis which are the three main problems arising from MAOI interactions. Given you have been using them both for 11 days indicates that it might not be a problem but I personally would try and space it out so you aren't dosing MPA at the same time as taking MAOIs so there is time for them both to get processed separately to some extent.

If you don't mind, may i ask what MAOI you are taking just out of curiosity.

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Amphetamines dexmethylphenidate and methamphetamine. Is it possible that the dexmethylphenidate can trip a UA for methamphetamine. I know on multiple occasions amphetamines like adderall have shown up positive under amphetamines (witch it should) but also as methamphetamine. This problem is huge. It's denied people jobs, it's got kids that are on aftercare or probation locked back up. I've heard theories that amphetamines taken in high doses can chemically bond somehow and actually turn into methamphetamine in the body. There's been court cases were innocent people who have to take there ADHD medication get accused of abusing meth. I'm wondering if focalin(dexmethylphenidate) can also show up as a methamphetamine or amphetamines.
 
Try MPA and Pyrazolam, MPA and Etizolam can get a bit dopey. Pyrazolam is far less sedating so you still get the nice muscle relaxant effects and the clear-headedness still remains.
 
What I love about MPA: I can take it, enjoy it, and forget it until next time. I feel like I'm in the minority of people who don't get cravings for this, though. Drugs are so much more fun when you can stop thinking about them for a while, and then come back to them, don't you think?
 
What I love about MPA: I can take it, enjoy it, and forget it until next time. I feel like I'm in the minority of people who don't get cravings for this, though. Drugs are so much more fun when you can stop thinking about them for a while, and then come back to them, don't you think?

I love how focused and creative it makes you. :)
 
Amphetamines dexmethylphenidate and methamphetamine. Is it possible that the dexmethylphenidate can trip a UA for methamphetamine. I know on multiple occasions amphetamines like adderall have shown up positive under amphetamines (witch it should) but also as methamphetamine. This problem is huge. It's denied people jobs, it's got kids that are on aftercare or probation locked back up. I've heard theories that amphetamines taken in high doses can chemically bond somehow and actually turn into methamphetamine in the body. There's been court cases were innocent people who have to take there ADHD medication get accused of abusing meth. I'm wondering if focalin(dexmethylphenidate) can also show up as a methamphetamine or amphetamines.

Dexmethylphenidate would likely show as amphetamines, whether it would also flag up methamphetamine tests I'm not sure. It would depend on how the testing was carried out- Urine, hair, blood, saliva etc. The main metabolite of dexmethylphenidate passed into urine by the metabolic process is ritalinic acid which, from what i have read from a few testing companies is more often than not tested for on its own so it would more likely bring up a positive. This then calls into question the results being presented, if the testing company simply responds with "Positive" for any of the list of drugs they test for then ritalinic acid and therefore dexmethylphenidate would return a positive result.

If you are using dexmethlyphenidate or any of the adderall, ritalin, focalin groups of drugs and have a prescription then it shouldn't be a problem if you can prove you are taking them legitimately. Otherwise there are many other OTC drugs that can cause positives in drugs tests for methamphetamine due to the presence of precursors and how your body treats them metabolically such as ephedrine and to a far lesser extent vicks inhalers.

Whether prescribed or not if a positive on a urinalysis test that is gonna affect your job or get you put in jail it is worth requesting a GC-MS so that you can get an actual result of what has been found and at what concentration, for example i can imagine a court being somewhat more lenient on someone who's urine contains a small amount of pseudoephedrine following having a cold rather than a simple "Positive" reaction to the test for any number of drugs.

It is rare that drugs tests only check for methamphetamines or only amphetamine related compounds as it would be far too niche to be practical. Why only test for two things if you can test for 100 at once and catch someone out on the joint they had 3 days ago.

The simple answer to focalin showing up as methamphetamine depends entirely on what kind of test it was, if it was a GC-MS then no, the GC-MS results would specify exactly what was found and in what quantities. On a simple SAMHSA 5 test it *could* show a amphetamine positive reading dependent on many factors. In a SAMHSA 5 test if methamphetamine is suspected then they would perform more targeted testing requiring a urine sample to have 500ng/ml of methamphetamine and 200ng/ml of amphetamine to be present in the test sample. You usually still have the right to request a second analysis or a GC-MS which is something you should definitely request if your job/freedom is at stake.
 
Although you're right and the people doing this are probably ignorant at best, it's quite clear that you've never tried MPA and have no intention of doing so -- moreover, you seem to have a specific loathing of stimulants based on your posts in other topics. I'd advise you to stop offering your opinion on things with which you have no experience and stick to your health warnings which are, at least, somewhat useful despite their backhanded and condescending nature.

I've done amphetamine, MDPV, alpha-PVP, caffeine (high doses), 2C-E, 2C-D (it, 2C-E, and amphetamine were the best stimulants on the list, and it and amphetamine were the best), 2C-I, 2C-P, 2C-T-2, 2C-C-NBOME, 2C-I-NBOME, and 5-MEO-MIPT. I've consumed about a gram of 2C-E and 400 mg or so of 2C-P, 2C-I, 2C-T-2, AND 2C-D. I've consumed over 100 mg of 25C-NBOME and about half as much 25I! (Not all at once of course, I mean in my whole life) All of those stimulants that were also psychedelics were oftentimes taken as a stimulant rather than a psychedelic (not recommended, felt really good, but it can cause heart valve damage via 5HT-2B agonism and I can ACTUALLY feel my heart beating in my chest especially if I lay on my left side, before phenethylamine and pyrovalerone use this was not noticed, for whatever reason (placebo effect is entirely possible)). I've probably done more stimulants than a lot of people in this thread, and I certainly do like the feeling of stimulants. I do have interest in stimulants, there just doesn't appear to be any good ones on the research chemical market, besides amphetamine analogs. Just because I don't do shit stims like MPA doesn't mean my comments are backhanded or condescending. Your post sounds condescending to me, in fact. That's why I go on places like Bluelight, Pihkal, Tihkal, Erowid, so I can know if a chemical is shit before I acquire it. Not the best choice however, because you have to study Bluelight hard to get the proper warnings, and Erowid or Pihkal don't say shit about heart valve damage from 5HT-2B agonism.

Also Dave, as long as u have a few benzos handy, I can almost guarantee that if yoiu stic to less than 100mg MPA and ess than 4 beers you won't have any bad effects, just good!
wow, without the word almost this would be one of the worst posts on the board. When you say bad effects I assume you mean instant gratification, because the real bad effects from a drug like this come years later, or from overdose. Don't encourage people to get so inebriated they do not notice the damage they cause themselves.
 
wow, without the word almost this would be one of the worst posts on the board. When you say bad effects I assume you mean instant gratification, because the real bad effects from a drug like this come years later, or from overdose. Don't encourage people to get so inebriated they do not notice the damage they cause themselves.

To be fair, I think he's assuming that I've already thought about - and researched - the possible consequences later down the line, and that I "know" how much an overdose would be. I also think he implicitly meant "immediate effects" when he said "effects". Pedantics, you know?
 
To be fair, I think he's assuming that I've already thought about - and researched - the possible consequences later down the line, and that I "know" how much an overdose would be. I also think he implicitly meant "immediate effects" when he said "effects". Pedantics, you know?

No, I don't think it's pedantics. It's HR. Immediate gratification is the downfall of stimulant users.
 
Hmm i never got the taste/smell from shooting it which is weird because i do with the vast majority of things i IV. It was accompanied by a warm feeling in the chest in my case so your theory may be right. I guess we will just have to guess until someone, if anyone decides to actually research this thing with a proper lab and a proper Phd. Ebola? above you makes a good case that MPA is most likely fairly cardiotoxic and shouldn't be IVd long term or in vast amounts. Given the somewhat weak rush associated with it compared to its structural brother methamphetamine the benefits of IVing it are negligible and I wont be doing it again. A cough and a warm chest isn't worth cardiac complications imo.


Yep... I quit using MPA daily when my tolerance got to the point where I could IV 140mg upon waking and just got that warm glow and little else. What REALLy pissed me off though was after several decades chasing crystal meth some landed in my lap. Was excited, nervous and damned curious as I iv'd 50mg. A stiff but safe dose for a 6ft, 14st guy... nothing! Nothing except that damned warm glow! Massive cross tolerance! Not just the cough came over with the similarity of the two molecules, get used to one and it spoiuls the other too. Was gutted!

Left it alone for a month nearly now hoping my tolerance will drop back and I can discover the full effects of c.meth.
 
Try a couple tabs of 25I NBOMe easily best stimulant psychedelic I've come across. It's a derivative of 2CI and literally 20 times more potent. Best trips I ever go on...easily
 
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