"The" Message": Entity Contact and the Illusory Universe

[malakaix]

I like the second part too, who is dreaming it lol...I've thought of that before. Maybe its a video game or movie being watched from some higher dimension, or through some submersive technology matrix-style. Lol, I'm not saying that is the case though. God would make sense I think if anything is to be a sbstabtial answer from our narrow grasp of the topic material lol.

Whats interesting is each answer will ultimately give rise to another question infinitely. No answer could ever be satisfactory because it implies a separation of self, the origin of the answer would always be questioned until its realized there is no answer, or question.. it's just you.

 

[eye_wide_open]

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[eye_wide_open]

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[TheAppleCore]

^ Yeah, this thread has an awesome vibe. It's a great representation of the top-quality, curious, and inquisitive minds that we have here on BlueLight.

 

[FnX]

I think that the anticipation of end of the world is a particularly interesting phenomena. How can so many (relatively) people be so sure that the end of the world is coming, usually soon? This is a recurring theme throughout the history. Think about it, it's a phenomena that obviously none of us should have never experienced so isn't it a bit weird to expect something like that, be sure it's coming any moment now?

I don't know, I get this funny feeling that maybe in an essence, we're living in a dead world anyway. Maybe we could call it hell, I usually don't use these terms though. My point is, maybe the world has already ended and people preaching doom are having some kind of... transcendental memories? I believe that time is a perspective illusion so to speak, that we are only experiencing it because of what we are, human beings. Without our 5 primary senses, I don't think we would experience time at all. There is a lot more to the universe than what we see and experience, we just happen to use time as a mean of navigating in our point of view of reality. I'm getting carried away...

To me it feels like life, universe, generally everything is like a interactive movie, no, a video game that has it's code written and sealed already. We can play the game, but we can't change the code, it won't evolve anywhere, it just is no matter what the players do or create in that world. Closed system. That's why we have these theories about the conservation of energy etc. It only makes sense to drop subtle cues about the game inside it for the players, maybe so they won't get too immersed in something that is just a game, an illusion. Emergency exits perhaps...

As long as you're not too immersed in life, almost everyone will begin to start have feelings of unreality when questions like "why am I here? what is the purpose of life?" start popping in the mind. Distract yourself by playing the game and you'll get immersed enough for it to feel 100% real. Eventually you should find yourself at cross-road, where the reality you were previously experiencing just doesn't cut it anymore. Do you shrug and keep going or discard this previous perception of reality? If you discard it, do you replace it with a new, supposedly better theory which I would argue is only Illusion mk. II (matrix, religion, etc) or do you accept the notion that it actually might be unknown at this point? Maybe completely inexplicable to human mind? Something that can't be said or taught and if it can be seen or experienced, it can't be accurately described. Can't think of a better time to quote x-files and state that the truth is out there so stop searching it on the internet

 

[DwayneHoover]

While I wish eye_wide_open would have created his own topic rather than overwhelming this one, which was intended to be a fairly narrow discussion of a specific "message" and the phenomenon of its frequent recurrence in psychedelic trip reports, with all manner of totally random raving...

It does seem to have created alot of discussion, and I don't really mind letting people whose minds are ignited by psychedelics run on at the mouth. Yes, it is often non-sensical, totally off topic, ludicrous yammering, but sometimes when "full of the spirit" in this manner people can say some occasionally interesting things.

But for the most part eye_wide_open... think "LESS IS MORE". Your skreeds of words words words and more words have surely gone mostly UNREAD, as people just scroll past them rolling their eyes, assuming it's the same goofiness you've blathered on and on about in every other of dozens and dozens of posts. It's all the same verbiage in different syntaxes and I assure you the vast majority of people here are just scrolling past without really reading what you are writing. This thread was not intended to say "Hey kids come over and vent any and every 'spiritual' idea you ever had tripping."

Please read post 1 on page 1 and try to stick to that. Edit and distill your lengthy screeds down to 2 or 3 lines that somehow relate to the original specific topic and people will get far more out of your effort because it is concise enough to read and not just a pile of random verbal run-on, which is how you are coming off.

For all the rest of your random "material" unrelated to this topic, may I suggest please starting your own topic or blog, I'm sure it will get plenty of attention, it's kind of rude for you to come into this one and just chatter chatter chatter chatter chatter your own "thing" at such length.

 

[villian]

You are less than a spec of dust in this picture of thousands of galaxies in the universe.
You are not the final divinity. It is the energy that drives all this below.

The universe is one system of which you a part. Everything seems separate, but in the end the entire universe is one system. Everything is made of the same stuff -- from elements down to atoms down to the particle zoo of the subatomic world. You body is made of something like ten to the 14th power different cells (around 100 trillion). Many smaller parts making up the whole, that don't even realize they aren't the whole themselves.

Think of an ocean. Think of the waves cresting on the top. There may be a million waves in the ocean that appear separate, but they are really one ocean. Many parts which can be viewed individually, however make up something greater.


So what if you are not just a person, not some "spec of dust in the universe", what if you are really the entire universe but you don't realize it?

Extremely relevent Watts video I just happened to come across that really articulates the point I'm making. Talk about synchronicity..
Another, Alan Watts - The Cosmos

 

[SONN]

I don't know if I've ever received "The Message" necessarily but I have had lots of really great revelations that came to me as if I was reading them right out of a guidebook to my life or something :D.

There were two times though, that I just had the most incredibly odd feeling that I knew exactly what was about to happen. Then shortly afterwards, it happened and I was struck with disbelief and eventually thought it was just a coincidence and shrugged it off as nothing.

Then I was at a party, inhaling nitrous balloons with a friend of mine and time was slowing down a lot. All of the sudden there was this odd feeling that I knew exactly what was about to happen, I quick remembered exactly what exactly was going to happen and then it HAPPENED!! the EXACT same situation as last time just different people were with me and did exactly what I knew what they were going to do.

What was even stranger is that when this happened I was struck with a very empathetic euphoria that quickly turned into a very mystic bewilderment, as if I had just felt something that was much bigger than myself happen. Like it was an event in a series of events that was predetermined, and from then on I have believed in fate. Something I never really believed in before.

Maybe the only reason I thought all of those things is because I use psychedelic drugs and watched Terrence Mckenna's "Time Wave Zero" video, and also that "Thrive" documentary over winter break...

but MAYBE NOT!!!

lol that's my "message" as of right now. Still gotta try that DMT though...

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Moved some posts, I guess my cutoff point was arbitrary, but I think it was when things went into the realm of serious derailment.

Also dwayne, I added a subtitle to the thread to help people keep in mind what it's about. If you are unhappy with this subtitle, please suggest a new one and I will gladly change it to what suits you.

Carry on, folks.

I think that the anticipation of end of the world is a particularly interesting phenomena. How can so many (relatively) people be so sure that the end of the world is coming, usually soon? This is a recurring theme throughout the history. Think about it, it's a phenomena that obviously none of us should have never experienced so isn't it a bit weird to expect something like that, be sure it's coming any moment now?

I don't know, I get this funny feeling that maybe in an essence, we're living in a dead world anyway. Maybe we could call it hell, I usually don't use these terms though. My point is, maybe the world has already ended and people preaching doom are having some kind of... transcendental memories? I believe that time is a perspective illusion so to speak, that we are only experiencing it because of what we are, human beings. Without our 5 primary senses, I don't think we would experience time at all. There is a lot more to the universe than what we see and experience, we just happen to use time as a mean of navigating in our point of view of reality. I'm getting carried away...

Dude have you read Phillip K. Dick's How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later? It's a great read, talks about the nature of reality, higher existence, and he gets into the time being an illusion thing and it's really 50 A.D. stuff you may recall hearing from Linklater's character near the end of Waking Life.

 

[DwayneHoover]

The universe is one system of which you a part.
So what if you are not just a person, not some "spec of dust in the universe", what if you are really the entire universe but you don't realize it?

Extremely relevent Watts video I just happened to come across that really articulates the point I'm making. Talk about synchronicity..
Another, Alan Watts - The Cosmos

GREAT POST VILLIAN! EXACTLY! And thanks for the Watts post! His "The Book" really led me thru a great series of mental experiments the totally led to me finally understanding and putting into a cohesive whole all these various impressions and signals I had been getting via my early trip experiences.

The first video link does not work anymore... got another one??? "The Cosmos" vid is great though! Very psychedelic!

 

[DwayneHoover]

Dude have you read Phillip K. Dick's How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later? It's a great read, talks about the nature of reality, higher existence, and he gets into the time being an illusion thing and it's really 50 A.D. stuff you may recall hearing from Linklater's character near the end of Waking Life.

Thanks for the reorg NKB... that's a fine subtitle, great in fact.

Yea, MOST of Philp K. Dick's stuff is about some variation on this theme. I STRONGLY recommend reading the "Valis" Trilogy. Starting with VALIS. The Divine Invasion is next, and it really hits it outa the ballpark... seat-gripping mind-bending debate about the true (possibly illusory) nature of existence. It incorporates a rewwritten version of his "Pink Extraterrestrial Light Beam" experience and its aftermath into the fictional tale, to great effect. Gnostics, higher-plane meta-consciousness entities, apparent time-travel, etc etc. Mind blowing. And the conclusion, The Transmigration of Timothy Archer is also great (but not as good as the 1st 2). Incidentally "Radio Free Albemuth", an earlier version of VALIS with much related content, was made into a film recently screened in a few places... we will probably have to wait for the DVD, as it's low budget and will probably never actually play in most markets, but seems to have gotten pretty good reviews.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS_trilogy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS "VALIS is a 1981 science fiction novel by Philip K. Dick. The title is an acronym for Vast Active Living Intelligence System, Dick's gnostic vision of one aspect of God. VALIS is the first book in the VALIS trilogy of novels including The Divine Invasion (1981), and the unfinished The Owl in Daylight. Together with Dick's last book, The Transmigration of Timothy Archer (1982) (thematically related to the unfinished trilogy and included in several omnibus editions of the trilogy as a stand-in for the unwritten final volume), VALIS represents Dick's last major work before he died."

 

[villian]

The first video link does not work anymore... got another one???

Strange that it was deleted, try this one instead

 

[DwayneHoover]

^ Thank you thankyou thankyou! I can't wait to play this for any number of people close to me who I desperately hope to enlighten to these perspectives, but could never even imagine how to begin such a conversation. Watts was so good at conceptually distilling and verbally illustrating stuff, he was able to make the abstract and arcane feel immediate and visceral.

...Beautifully produced video "awe-paper" too!! (ooh, um "awe-paper" and "awepaper" (C) Copyright 2012 / (TM) Trademark 2012 DwayneHoover

 

[TheSpectre]

This is a very interesting thread. A friend of mine decided to try Salvia. We thought it a good idea to go into a local woods and do it amongst nature. He took a long draw and slowly exhaled, falling back to a supine position, staring up at the sky for what seemed a very long, uncomfortable time. After a couple minutes, he burst forth, talking of some weird entity speaking to him, telling him it was ok, and for him to join her. I quote him saying "Let's get the fuck out of here" lol.

 

[DwayneHoover]

This is a very interesting thread. A friend of mine decided to try Salvia. We thought it a good idea to go into a local woods and do it amongst nature. He took a long draw and slowly exhaled, falling back to a supine position, staring up at the sky for what seemed a very long, uncomfortable time. After a couple minutes, he burst forth, talking of some weird entity speaking to him, telling him it was ok, and for him to join her. I quote him saying "Let's get the fuck out of here" lol.

LOL indeed... It never occurred to me I would think of "Let's get the fuck out of here" as a "Cosmic" remark but actually I guess it is!!

 

[Shambles]

Hmm... Don't do all this entity shite as a rule. Cos they never knock nor leave notes.

Then "they" did. Was... intriguing. And nowt like owt in this here thread. Not even a teeny bit (the bits I read anyway - will take it all back if and when).

I tend to agree with and/or paraphrase (my interpretation of what) Willow (*waves at Swirlow *) said many pages back: this all sounds like stereotypical "psychonaut" bollocks - pure pablum. And frankly depressing

But each to their own.

My own "visitatation" was... different. Not "better" - let me make that clear right now - but very, very different. Not sure I could even shadow it in wordform. But will ponder and maybe have a stab at it sometime. Involved dissociatives and DMT in case y'all wondered. No elves though. Personal introduction to someone the Fey Folk were deeply in awe of though. And a lil slice of heaven I never even dreamt of. And stuff and that.

I have to ask though, most of these "revelations"... don't they seem rather... well... massively fuckin' trite? Almost as if you grabbed a random hippy off the street, fed him weed/acid/mushies/whatever and set him dribbling? If so I'd tend to doubt the profundity myself. Maybe I'm just a miserably fuck though

PS: Sorry. Know that's worded kinda harshly. But seriously - some of you are making Swirlsters look like fuckin' pricks

PPS: If you can express a "visitation/contact" experience in achingly torpid banalities then it's probably best to keep it to yourself

PPPS: Some lushy pics and lovely thoughts dotted amongst the drivel though - am not a complete cunt :D

PPPPS: Despite and because of all that:

PPPPPS: Not the best first post in PD for a dog's age but hey, whatcha gonna do?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I have to ask though, most of these "revelations"... don't they seem rather... well... massively fuckin' trite? Almost as if you grabbed a random hippy off the street, fed him weed/acid/mushies/whatever and set him dribbling? If so I'd tend to doubt the profundity myself. Maybe I'm just a miserably fuck though

Condemning an idea based off of the number of people who have come up with it (and in terms of psychedelic usage, these conclusions tend to be independently reached, even if folks reach for pre-existing language to codify them) seems very fallacious to me. If you are going to disqualify ideas, then you should do so with reason.

 

[Shambles]

I didn't condemn anything based on the number of people who have come up with it. I condemned the mawkish and shallow nature of the supposed revelations presented. It doesn't take "entities" (whether real or illusory), pyschedelics, or much of anything really to rediscover any and every vacuous psychedelic cliche ever spurtled. I disagree with the nature of such revelations - specifically the content - based purely on my own experience. Many others clearly feel differently. Each to their own. Both I and they have our reasons for what we type.

 

[Ismene]

As Shammy points out, the nature of these observations is almost always pretty fucking trite. If you were in genuine contact with an alien species perhaps they would offer an explanation of superconductivity at room temperature rather than the "Love is the answer to all things brah" platitudes we usually hear the "aliens" saying.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I didn't condemn anything based on the number of people who have come up with it

stereotype: 1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type

trite: Overused and consequently of little import; lacking originality or freshness.

cliché-1. A trite or overused expression or idea
2. A person or character whose behavior is predictable or superficial

You did, according to the English language. If you didn't mean to say that the fact these thoughts are commonplace or lacking novelty detracts from their potential merit, then please understand my confusion since you have used three different words to imply it.

As Shammy points out, the nature of these observations is almost always pretty fucking trite. If you were in genuine contact with an alien species perhaps they would offer an explanation of superconductivity at room temperature rather than the "Love is the answer to all things brah" platitudes we usually hear the "aliens" saying.

Indeed, but don't forget that the topic doesn't merely apply to aliens, but any sort of entity. Or phrased more broadly, the feeling was described by some herein that the ideas they were having did not originate from themselves, and aliens/transdimensional beings or whatever are merely their interpretations of these feelings. Alternatively, as has been posited, we might stretch this to say the collective unconscious might be the source, or insight into the Pleroma or some Platonic realm. And if we take these to be so, the nature of the supposed revelations would make more sense (and thusly you'd have to make a more nuanced argument to oppose it).