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The Mega-Merged Buprenorphine Thread!

I used the locator and found a really nice doc in my area who perscribes suboxone and seems extremely friendly. The initial visit is $200 and every follow up is between $90 - $100. Does this seem about right or is it a rip? I'm currently on about 400mg Oxy a day/ 1g of smack (when possible). I've currently lost my hook and I think I'm about to die from w/d's. I told him this and he told me that he'd probably have me on 3 pills a day, and I'd have to see him to get the script renewed once a month. What mg would these 3 pills a day be? Since I'd only have to see him monthly, and he said 3 pills a day, does this mean I'll recieve 90 pills at once?
 
^^^ each pill is more than likely 8mg. 24 mg will hold you. They will, more than likely, prescribe all 90 pills at one time. Please be aware, without insurance (some choose not to have this on their insurance for various reasons), the price can be equiv. to oxycontin without insurance. Expect to pay approx. 180$ for 30 8mg, so do the math.

As for holding power, I believe 16mg will hold a 400mg oxy habit, each day. It is such a relief to not wake up sick and have to dose right away. You may have a sleepless night the first or second day, but I even doubt that. Some say not to mix benzos, but if you have anxiety the first or second day, take low doses of benzos (most don't even need this).

How long has your habit been? Anyway, good luck. In my opinion, bupe is a great deal at any point. To give you an idea, I would easily trade 2-3 80mg nongeneric oxycontins for 1 8mg, if I was desperate and only had the oxies and new I couldn't sustain (or my dealer was out, etc).

swybs
 
Appreciate the input. I think I'm going to go ahead and get the script and pay for it all out of pocket while I have the cheese from roo :) . Even that much cash is still cheaper than what I'm paying for the oxys, dilaudids, and smack, plus it's legal so I don't always have to be looking over my shoulder when it comes to opiates.
 
yea, ^^^, the legal thing is crazy. Plus, you can always save your script bottle, in case some fall in your lap. But the biggest thing you will notice is the waking up in the morning thing and not having to get high to prevent sickness...

anyway, if you have any further questions, feel free to PM me. I have successfully used subuxone to aid my decision to quit for over 6 months now, with only a very few times I attempted to "treat myself" but found that I didn't even enjoy myself (see a thread I started a couple weeks ago about subuxone use perm. changing the desire to take other painkillers/h).

anyway, like I said, good luck. Also, I would be a bit more cautious about talking about the method of obtaining cheese--you never know with this board, just my opinion,..be careful.

swybs
 
In New Zealand Bupe is not accessible to me as they are still trialing it. It is only for those who are coming off methadone. I am jealous as i have to use methadone for maintenance and have no other option.
 
I'm aware that combining CNS depressants generally isn't a good idea and that it is a potentially dangerous combo, but I am particularly interested in how dangerous it would be to mix 8-10mg of Bupe with maybe 4-6mg of Xanax for someone who doesn't have much of a benzo tolerance right now. I haven't taken any benzos in a little over a week, and just started the bupe today, but have a big opiate tolerance. I would take less xanax, but it usually takes me at least 4mg to feel decent effects. If someone could reply quickly it would be appreciated since I'm considering dosing really soon.
 
i would stay away from large doses of benzos mixed with bupe. Personally, it makes me feel dizzy and amplifies the sleep-inducing aspects of both drugs to an intolerable amount. Glad you got the bupe, hope everything works out.

P.S.--if you are still experiencing anxiety, it won't hurt you if you take .5, or even 1 mg, of xanax, but again, even low doses like those had me get dizzy at times, and def. an unenjoyable, uncontrollable sleepiness.

swybs
 
After reading that post I just saved all the Xanax for tommorrow. I figured it'd be a waste after I fell asleep, and after dosing the bupe I could definitely see that happening.
 
Also does anybody have any information concerning bupe's potential to damage the liver?

I really cant find to much info on it other than its debatable and not to prescribe to patients that have liver or kidney problems.
 
I'll post my experience here just to be complete...

I had a 20-25 bag/day IV heroin habit and switched relatively painlessly to suboxone. My last dose of H was in the evening -- went to sleep, woke up, waited til the pain was unbearable, snorted 1mg. Then, every hour, if the pain was still uncomfortable I snorted another 1mg. I got up to 8mg this way, which is supposedly a good place to stop on your first day.

The next day I took 20mg and was pain free.

The following day I took an 8mg pill, was about to take more, and decided not to, just to see how well 8mg could hold me. I was pain free.

The following day I took 4mg. I have been taking 4mg or less ever since, with no pain at all.

This stuff is way over-prescribed, in my opinion. The manufacturer probably makes inflated recommendations to physicians and patients in order to line its pockets.

But maybe other patients are different. I don't know.
 
is that 20-25 bags of decent quality or poor quality dope? that is quite a habit if it is good quality smack....damn.

swybs
 
Blah, about the liver--I am curious. Most clinics will run a liver function test. My liver, during my last physical at my family physician, showed that my levels were off (damn beer, damn it to hell), so I would really like to know also.

swybs
 
^ yea I am curious also, I have always passed on the liver test because I didnt want to be bothered to go get the test done. I am thinking of getting one done just to check things out.

This stuff is way over-prescribed, in my opinion.

I notice the same thing that small amounts are able to hold as effeciently as large doses. It seems like it used to be over scripted more-so when it first came out, everybody was getting put on 32mg's. Last time I started my doc tried to start me out at 16mg with no increase [unless requested]. I usually take 1-2mgs insufflated daily to keep me in check and it works perfectly.
 
blahblahblah said:
^ yea I am curious also, I have always passed on the liver test because I didnt want to be bothered to go get the test done. I am thinking of getting one done just to check things out.



I notice the same thing that small amounts are able to hold as effeciently as large doses. It seems like it used to be over scripted more-so when it first came out, everybody was getting put on 32mg's. Last time I started my doc tried to start me out at 16mg with no increase [unless requested]. I usually take 1-2mgs insufflated daily to keep me in check and it works perfectly.

Yeah, my doc still has me on 24mg/day, even though I'm taking maybe 1-4. I was surprised how quickly I could taper down. I still have cravings, so maybe if I took more I wouldn't have so many, but I don't want to get hooked on a high dose of this opiate -- it just doesn't rub me the right way for some reason.

So I'm developing quite a stockpile of pills. Never a bad thing.
 
blahblahblah said:
Also does anybody have any information concerning bupe's potential to damage the liver?

I really cant find to much info on it other than its debatable and not to prescribe to patients that have liver or kidney problems.

My understanding is that bupe is relatively easy on the liver for the average person with normal liver function. People who have existing liver issues, particularly hep C, should monitor their liver function when using bupe, because there is some evidence of problems.

Acute hepatitis due to buprenorphine administration
European Journal of Gastroenterology & Hepatology 16(10):1033-1037, October 2004.
Herve, Sophie a; Riachi, Ghassan a; Noblet, Catherine b; Guillement, Nathalie b; Tanasescu, Stephana b; Goria, Odile a; Thuillez, Christian b; Tranvouez, Jean-Luc a; Ducrotte, Philippe a; Lerebours, Eric a

Abstract:
Background: Buprenorphine, a synthetic molecule derived from thebaine, has been commercialized in France since 1987 as a substitute treatment for pharmacodependence on opiates. Hepatotoxicity is poorly documented, since only few cases of hepatic injury have been reported.

Methods: We report seven cases of acute cytolytic hepatitis due to buprenorphine. All patients were former drug addicts by the parenteral route and had been receiving withdrawal therapy with buprenorphine for an average of 91 days at a daily dosage ranging from 2 to 12 mg. Liver tests, complete viral screening and an abdominal computerized tomography scan were performed in each patient.

Results: Five out of seven subjects presented with acute icteric hepatitis without abdominal pain or fever. Average alanine aminotransferase levels were 39 times the normal rate. There was no sign of liver failure. All patients had anti-hepatitis C virus-positive serology and two had positive hepatitis C virus-RNA. Although no specific treatment was administered, buprenorphine doses were reduced whenever possible. Cytolysis and jaundice resolved rapidly in all cases, although treatment was continued at the same doses in four cases and the dosage was reduced by 50% in three other cases.

Conclusions: Although buprenorphine hepatitis is uncommon and has spontaneously good evolution, we suggest better monitoring of hepatic profiles in patients whose mitochondrial function is already impaired by viral infections or other toxic factors.


The Safety of Methadone, LAAM, Buprenorphine in the Treatment of Opioid Dependency

Unexpectedly, buprenorphine AEs (adverse events) included 5 mentions of non-viral hepatitis, 3 listings of hepatotoxicity, and 1 case of abnormal liver function test results. There were no specific mentions of hepatitis or hepatotoxicity associated with LAAM or methadone.

The significance of this is unknown at present; however, concerns regarding buprenorphine hepatotoxicity have been expressed by practitioners using the agent in Australia (A. Byrne, MD, Redfern, NSW, Australia, e-mail communications December 19, 2000 and January 4, 2001). Furthermore, a prospective investigation by Petry et al. (2000) in 120 buprenorphine-treated opioid addicts found that those with a history of hepatitis C exhibited significantly increased AST and ALT levels (p < 0.05) in a dose-dependent fashion. They recommended that liver enzyme levels be closely monitored in such patients.


Elevated liver enzyme levels in opioid-dependent patients with hepatitis treated with buprenorphine

Petry NM, Bickel WK, Piasecki D, Marsch LA, Badger GJ. Am J Addict. 2000;9(3):265-269.

Abstract: The purpose of this study was to assess changes in liver enzyme levels among opioid-dependent patients treated with buprenorphine. Liver enzyme levels were evaluated among 120 individuals before treatment and following a minimum of 40 days of buprenorphine treatment (2, 4, or 8 mg/70 kg/day).

Among patients with a history of hepatitis, AST and ALT levels significantly increased (p < .05) with buprenorphine treatment. The odds of observing an increase in AST were determined to be dependent upon buprenorphine dose (p < .05; odds ratio = 1.23 per 1 mg increase in dose). These results suggest that liver enzyme levels should be monitored carefully when patients with hepatitis are treated with buprenorphine.
 
swybs said:
is that 20-25 bags of decent quality or poor quality dope? that is quite a habit if it is good quality smack....damn.

swybs

A friend of mine who had a low opiate tolerance (but who was NOT opiate-naive) would get pleasantly high off one of these bags. It would take me at least 5-6 IV to get high.

I mean, it was not PURE -- definitely off-white, etc. But it wasn't junk or garbage either, for sure.

As of summer 2004, I read an article stating that the state in which I live was ranked #1 in the nation for purity of heroin. It makes sense -- I live in a city which is on the way between basically all points of import in the south and New York City. However, the city in which I live is very small. So the dealers run smaller operations, and probably don't adulterate like the ones in NYC, yet they have the benefit of being right on a major shipping route, so it's the pick of the litter.

Regardless, it feels great not to require $250/day worth of dope.
 
Bupe worked great for a couple of days made a smooth transition but it had to many negatives for me to try to talk my doc into keeping me on it.

blahblahblah said:
^ yea I am curious also, I have always passed on the liver test because I didnt want to be bothered to go get the test done. I am thinking of getting one done just to check things out.

Be carefull if youve taken any benzos. When I went back for a second time he said that the first blood test he forgot to include a liver screen so he asked if I could go the second appointment. Well I was looking over the form he gave me and it also had a benzo test.
 
^ what were the negatives which made you stop taking it?

My doc scripts me benzos along with the bupe so that shouldnt be an issue or are you saying that the benzos can effct the liver screen in some way?
 
blahblahblah said:
^ what were the negatives which made you stop taking it?

My doc scripts me benzos along with the bupe so that shouldnt be an issue or are you saying that the benzos can effct the liver screen in some way?

If my doc gave me benzos along with the bupe, I'd be pretty happy. But then I'd be worried about getting a benzo habit, since I take them to sleep on bupe.

Do you take them daily? Do you have a dependence to benzos too?

If I took 0.5-1mg lorazepam/clonazepam (either, not both) to get to sleep every night, would I develop a habit from which I would have to withdraw?
 
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