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You should have called an ambulance.

I don't know exactly what went wrong with your girlfriend, but MDMA is known to cause low sodium levels. A number of people have died because of this.

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/7/431.short

Background: Life‐threatening and fatal hyponatraemic complications following ecstasy use have previously been documented.

Aim: To define clinical features of hyponatraemia following the ingestion of 3,4‐methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, ‘ecstasy’).

Design: Retrospective case series.

Methods: All enquiries to the London centre of the National Poisons Information Service (NPIS) between December 1993 and March 1996 were screened for cases of MDMA use associated with hyponatraemia (serum sodium <130 mmol/l). History of fluid consumption, presenting features and subsequent clinical course were recorded.

Results: Seventeen patients, aged 15–26 years, were identified. Serum sodium levels ranged between 107 mmol/l and 128 mmol/l. In six patients, biochemical results were consistent with inappropriate secretion of antidiuretic hormone (SIADH). Analytical confirmation of MDMA ingestion was obtained in 10 patients. Ten patients were known to have ingested a large amount of non‐alcoholic or alcoholic fluid. The clinical pattern was remarkably uniform, with initial vomiting and disturbed behaviour, followed in 11 patients by seizures. Drowsiness, a mute state and disorientation were observed for up to 3 days. Two patients died; 14 made a complete recovery.

Discussion: MDMA can cause life‐threatening hyponatraemic encephalopathy when accompanied by excessive fluid ingestion. The mechanism involves inappropriate secretion of antidiuretic hormone.
 
Well the main difference is that it would be a lot harder to get hold of an mdma grade license, you don't simply have to be ill, you are obliged to work very hard. It probably wouldn't be worth going to that much effort just to get hold of a personal quantity of mdma. This is a system though that would take years to sketch out and finally implement decades from now. Drug wars etc aren't going to go away unless we do something radical and serious however and I think eventually mankind is going to be motivated to sit down and try and solve these problems.

fuck man i'd go through alot to get a hold of a personal supply of pharmaceutical grade MDMA :p
 
Just like to share a little story mite help someone and a little advice would be good to.
My girlfirend and I had a mates party on the weekend had a few drinks got pretty happy and decided to head into a club later and drop some MDMA.

We dropped at about 10:30 and had an awsome nite as did everyone with us, everyone said we were just giving out the best vibes was good times.
Before we left though my missus had managed to down maybe 5 glasses of water without me noticing and when we got home we had a couple glasses before bed.
Now all is well until about 4 that morning and she got pretty sic spewed up a fair few times and had really bad tummy pains, hot and cold flushes that went on until the next day until I got here to drink some gatorade and she slowly got better.

I'm pretty sure this was because she drank so much water her sodium levels dropped to low. Does anyone have any input?
So yeah just a warning to others I knew this could happen but I didn't think it would happen so easily so just remember to keep your sodium levels up!!

Are you sure what you had was MDMA? was it a pill or powder?It sounds like my first pipe expirence.Every thing was great until the awful comdown.Spent most the night hugging a toilet throwing up with the worst headache begging to go to the hospitable.I dont think its the ammount of water she drank that messed up her for some reason.Rember you are ment to try to drink around 400-500ml of water per hour on mdma....Get her to keep her liquids up if she can manage it to eat some food if you have any around maybe a valium or somthing simillar......MDMA should not do that mate if its clean and taken with responsibility you should feel %100 ok the day after consuming mdma.....Do you have any idea how much she dosed? Keep an eye on her if symptoms get worse GO TO THE HOSPITABLE and tell them what you think shes taken and how much....Hope she pulls up ok dude :\
 
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Was defiantly MDMA she had yellow question marks which are known MDMA pills, she is a really small girl and did double drop she was definatly loving it really good nite also wasnt her first time with MDMA. We did have a fair few drinks beforehand tho i think she would have consumed about 7 drinks over two hours but had an hour break before we dropped. she was fine after a days rest, ive done abit of research and i think the low sodium issue matches her symptoms and actions pretty well.
 
You should have called an ambulance.

I don't know exactly what went wrong with your girlfriend, but MDMA is known to cause low sodium levels. A number of people have died because of this.

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/7/431.short

yeah I wasnt far of it I kept very close eye on her and if her symptoms got any worse I would have done exactly that. Once she had a drink with some sodium in it it wasnt to long before she started feeling better, very valuable lesson we have learnt
 
Was defiantly MDMA she had yellow question marks which are known MDMA pills, she is a really small girl and did double drop she was definatly loving it really good nite also wasnt her first time with MDMA. We did have a fair few drinks beforehand tho i think she would have consumed about 7 drinks over two hours but had an hour break before we dropped. she was fine after a days rest, ive done abit of research and i think the low sodium issue matches her symptoms and actions pretty well.

hmm odd never seen this happen to anyone.Glad she pulled up ok dude :) still no harm in testing every pill you consume there are copy cat batchs and people somtimes do make 2 batchs of the same pill with dif active chems in them :)

Arghh test kits got here today. fucking rip off! I thought each kit contained 12 tests i was already pretty pissed off at how much tests were in there.they get here opened by coustoms and only contain 2 tests per kit 8(
 
Yeah definatly agree with you.
2 test per kit that is bullshit how much is a kit worth?
 
Yeah definatly agree with you.
2 test per kit that is bullshit how much is a kit worth?

Yes indeed :|
Im not sure if we are aloud to discuss prices of test kits in here (It is HR related, so sorry mods if its againts the rules) i payed $38 bucks (thinking it was 12 tests per kit)
for 2 tests of Mecke witch can pick up mdxx (green/dark blue/black) DXM (yellow/gold) MDBD (yellow) 2C-x (orange/red/purple) oxycodone (olive) other opiates (dark blueish/green)
2 tests of mandelin that can pick up MDxx (dark blue/purple/black) ketamine (orange/brown) (meth)amphetamine (yellow/green) 2-aminoindane (light blue)(<<I have never heard of that until i saw the new mandelin test chart) PMA/PMMA (rusty orange/dark brown) and ritlan (yellow/orange)
2 tests of mCPP witch is ment to be a pipe test kit but it dont say anything about BZP on the chart but does say it picks up mCPP (yellow) TIMPP (yellow) and 6-APB (burgundy red * unverified sample*)
2 tests of ehrlich that scans for LSD turning it pink/ purple,it also scans for other indoles turning it lavender.
2 tests of Scott witch scans for (crack)cocaine (blue) 5-MeO-MiPT (blue only after ehrlich turns lavender) MDPV (blue. only after marquis turns yellow)
and also marquis that scans for MDxx (dark blue/purple/black) DXM (dark grey) (meth)amphetamine (orange/brown) 2C-(b,c,i)/DOB/DOI (yellow to lime green) methylone/butylone/naphyrone/MDPV/MDPPP (yellow) and opiates (pink/lavender)

^^Thats basicly word for what each test chart says^^

tomorrow i am going to upload some photos of what a proper MDxx result should look like when tested ect :)
 
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^Order from 'Chemical Generation' next time mate. I think they're the only current online vendors that stock the full size dropper bottle's of Marquis and Mandelin you can get like over 50 individual tests from.


Edit: http://www.chemicalgeneration.com.au/
 
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Yes indeed :|
Im not sure if we are aloud to discuss prices of test kits in here (It is HR related, so sorry mods if its againts the rules)

I know for a fact that we are allowed to talk about sources and post links, (as long as there are only reagents sold on the link), for reagent testers. I am not sure what the rule is on prices for reagents though. Seeing as there has been a major changeup in the manufacture and packaging of the reagents, can we post prices for pill testers now Mods?

All of this info would sit well if it was also in the new EZ-test thread. Maybe the title could be changed to incorporate all of the new reagent companies? We could keep the price discussion to that thread specifically.
 
Personally I do not have a problem with allowing the price of a reagent tester stay up, so long as the thread doesn't turn into a 'wheres the best deal on a reagent kit' type deal. It is a harm reduction related item, and if we allow the links well people can see the price anyway so I do not see what harm or difference it could make to let it stand.
 
Just like to share a little story mite help someone and a little advice would be good to.
My girlfirend and I had a mates party on the weekend had a few drinks got pretty happy and decided to head into a club later and drop some MDMA.

We dropped at about 10:30 and had an awsome nite as did everyone with us, everyone said we were just giving out the best vibes was good times.
Before we left though my missus had managed to down maybe 5 glasses of water without me noticing and when we got home we had a couple glasses before bed.
Now all is well until about 4 that morning and she got pretty sic spewed up a fair few times and had really bad tummy pains, hot and cold flushes that went on until the next day until I got here to drink some gatorade and she slowly got better.

I'm pretty sure this was because she drank so much water her sodium levels dropped to low. Does anyone have any input?
So yeah just a warning to others I knew this could happen but I didn't think it would happen so easily so just remember to keep your sodium levels up!!

I'm really prone to low sodium levels/low blood pressure (I used to carry little maccas salt sachets with me to mix with water and drink over the night), and those symptoms don't really sound like what I used to experience. With low sodium you tend to feel really light headed, very weak and tired, tingly in your extremeities and lips (due to hyperventilation but this comes about a lot easier with low sodium/blood pressure) muscle cramps and yeah, sometimes vomiting. It doesn't tend to come on acutely like that though - if it was low sodium it seems more likely she would have felt it getting worse through the night, rather than all of a sudden waking up with it. Also, lying down is one of the best cures for the symptoms because it allows the blood to flow better around your whole body, so it doesn't seem to fit that she'd wake up with it after lying down for a few hours.

I'm not a doctor of course so I'm not saying for sure that wasn't it, but low sodium and low blood pressure is something I've had a lot of experience with and it doesn't sound quite like that. Tummy pains specifically aren't really associated with low electrolyte levels - it makes me think perhaps something in the pill irritated her stomach lining or something like that.
 
5 glasses of water isn't enough to give you water intoxication, one night on MDMA i rather stupidly you could say (well i did take a very unsafe amount of decent quality crystal but still...) drank 6 bottles of water within an hour or two.
i wasnt freakin out though, i was just chillin sippin on water, i wasn't even scared of overheating i just liked how drinking felt loooooool.
 
I'm really prone to low sodium levels/low blood pressure (I used to carry little maccas salt sachets with me to mix with water and drink over the night), and those symptoms don't really sound like what I used to experience. With low sodium you tend to feel really light headed, very weak and tired, tingly in your extremeities and lips (due to hyperventilation but this comes about a lot easier with low sodium/blood pressure) muscle cramps and yeah, sometimes vomiting. It doesn't tend to come on acutely like that though - if it was low sodium it seems more likely she would have felt it getting worse through the night, rather than all of a sudden waking up with it. Also, lying down is one of the best cures for the symptoms because it allows the blood to flow better around your whole body, so it doesn't seem to fit that she'd wake up with it after lying down for a few hours.

I'm not a doctor of course so I'm not saying for sure that wasn't it, but low sodium and low blood pressure is something I've had a lot of experience with and it doesn't sound quite like that. Tummy pains specifically aren't really associated with low electrolyte levels - it makes me think perhaps something in the pill irritated her stomach lining or something like that.

Interesting it very well could have been something in the pill it was the first time she had consumed this type, has happened to me in the past.
 
Fuck rackin bikkies, that was soo wrong. Crystals fine, pills are fucked...

Learn from my mistake kiddies. Feels like I just burnt a pothole in my sinus...
 
taking random pills without knowing whats in them is a big no no. Surely would of set alarm bells off if they didnt have a nice aniseed smell to them? Ive insufflated BZP/Tfmpp before knowing what it is when it was legal in EU. Burnt liek hell. Loved the effects right up to when it started to wear off and then never touched the shit again and flushed a whole bunch down the toilet. Evil evil shit. Dont even know why we are talkin about this when the country is flooded with beautiful molly:)
 
Yes the molly is definitely out there! Indy weekend coming up! Usually dose monthly but I think I'm gonna have to make an exception this weekend.
 
Love all this positive MDMA flood talk lately. Nights out have been at an all time high for me and everyone on here it seems :)
 
Had about 150mgs of some beautiful crystal tonight.....just sensational, so sublime, eyes are all over the place and I feel fine damn fine :)
 
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